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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2011, 04:59:52 PM »
I'll shut up. I'm afraid Joe is gonna get apoplexy.  have a drink and a smoke and calm down.

Actually, I get a kick out of you and Little Willy trying to twist what I say and totally ignore my point.  I know you guys are not as dense as you are pretending to be here.
okay, we're funny guys.  it WAS about slavery.  ask your veep stephens.

Then why, when all they had to do to guarantee its continuation was to stay in the Union, did the seven deep south states leave? 
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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2011, 06:49:04 AM »
Expansion of the industry.
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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2011, 08:17:36 AM »
Expansion of the industry.
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What post is that in response to, Willy?

Care to expand on it?  Or are you just going to play your game of tossing a line out hoping someone will make a comment that you can rip apart?

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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2011, 08:26:27 AM »
Expansion of the industry.
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What post is that in response to, Willy?

Care to expand on it?  Or are you just going to play your game of tossing a line out hoping someone will make a comment that you can rip apart?
I understood it.  maybe he needs pictures too.
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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2011, 03:48:00 PM »
They could have stayed in the Union and kept slavery intact---they wanted expansion.
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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2011, 04:18:37 PM »
They could have stayed in the Union and kept slavery intact---they wanted expansion.
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The South was already at a huge disadvantage in both houses of Congress.  Why shouldn't they want to try to maintain some sort of political parity with the industrial states, yes.  And so?  Seems like the industrialists of the north also wanted expansion to their own benefit.  This is called politics. 
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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2011, 11:55:18 PM »
Joe
Not everything is political. Economics drive capitialism.
What is it that causes you grief because some want financial gain? Are you a socialist?
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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2011, 02:13:43 AM »
Joe
Not everything is political. Economics drive capitialism.
What is it that causes you grief because some want financial gain? Are you a socialist?
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Where did I hint that?  Seems to me I was in favor of allowing the south financial gain. 

Econ isn't political?  Capitalism isn't political?

I've got to hear this one. 

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And. thank you for helping me make my point - demonizing not just the south, but anyone who dares to counter your 5th grade textbook orthodoxy. 
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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2011, 07:53:52 AM »
You always seem to be complaining because the North was making money and robbing the South.
The tariff problem was solved 20 years before the war.
Politics follows--comes after--capitialism. The can be not capitialism in a socialist state as it is controlled by the state.
The union did want to control the growth of slavery, tho by your words that only affected 15% of the people in the South
Politics follows capitialism in order to control profiteering, not to cause it.
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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2011, 05:45:29 AM »
The original quote was from an attorney, who represents northern union workers. He was making an argument that the people he represents have skills that are not duplicated by the replacement workers that Beoing has hired in the south. He didn't argue his case very well. He is not a government official, or any kind of "spokesman for the north".

I agree with Subdjoe that Hollywood often depicts the south as backward.
I have a friend from Alabama with confederate ancestors.
He enjoyed the movie "Fargo".
He said that movie made fun of northerners' accents and quirks, which Hollywood had done to the south for years.

Then again the separatist attitude of some Southerners leads to Hollywood making fun of them.
Act the way you would like to be, and soon you will be the way you act.

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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2011, 06:49:17 AM »
The original quote was from an attorney, who represents northern union workers. He was making an argument that the people he represents have skills that are not duplicated by the replacement workers that Beoing has hired in the south. He didn't argue his case very well. He is not a government official, or any kind of "spokesman for the north".

I agree with Subdjoe that Hollywood often depicts the south as backward.
I have a friend from Alabama with confederate ancestors.
He enjoyed the movie "Fargo".
He said that movie made fun of northerners' accents and quirks, which Hollywood had done to the south for years.

Then again the separatist attitude of some Southerners leads to Hollywood making fun of them.

I never made the claim that the bigoted attorney is any sort of official spokesman for the north or government official.  Nice try at spin, Iron.

What I did point out that his attitude, that southerners are stupid and lazy, is pervasive in our society and has been pushed and accepted for over 150 years. 

And again, if he had said that blacks were basically lazy and stupid there would be general outrage and protests about his bigotry. 

"Separatist attitude?"  Gee...I thought that "celebrating cultural diversity" was all the rage.  Aren't we all supposed to be o, so tolerant, diverse, and inclusive now?  Why is it that everyone else gets to "celebrate" their cultural differences, basically setting themselves aside - separating themselves - from everyone else, but it is wrong for southerners to do the same?
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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2011, 02:50:32 PM »
I never attributed the comment to you.
Man, you really have a chip on your shoulder.
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Re: A Fine Example Of The Continuing Demonization Of The South
« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2011, 03:30:47 PM »
I never attributed the comment to you.
Man, you really have a chip on your shoulder.

Then why say "He is not a government official, or any kind of "spokesman for the north"?

He hasn't been convicted of buggering sheep either. 
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