Author Topic: Remington firearms (Read 10672 times)

ironglow · « **Reply #30 on:** July 01, 2011, 05:36:05 AM »

mcwoodduck;
Right on you are !

Swampman · « **Reply #31 on:** July 01, 2011, 05:56:01 AM »

A Model 700 Police Sniper Rifle is made exactly like a Model 700 hunting rifle and on the same equipment. Both will shoot 1/2 MOA groups right out of the box. The "Sniper" versions have heavy barrels as do some Model 700 hunting rifles.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #32 on:** July 01, 2011, 09:31:27 AM »

remingtom m24s for the miltary and for police depts come from there custom shot not from the standard production line. barrels are hand selected actions are trued along with many other tweaks a normal model 700 doesnt recieve. I believe there using pillar bedded mcmillian stocks lately and there not standard rem pieces either. Then they go to the military armors and get even more tweeks. Hardly an out of the box 700 hunting or varmt rifle.

Quote from: Swampman on July 01, 2011, 05:56:01 AM

A Model 700 Police Sniper Rifle is made exactly like a Model 700 hunting rifle and on the same equipment. Both will shoot 1/2 MOA groups right out of the box. The "Sniper" versions have heavy barrels as do some Model 700 hunting rifles.

Swampman · « **Reply #33 on:** July 01, 2011, 09:59:31 AM »

Very very few police depts other than federal agents have M24s. They can't afford them.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #34 on:** July 01, 2011, 10:53:12 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on July 01, 2011, 09:59:31 AM

Very very few police depts other than federal agents have M24s. They can't afford them.

The police snipers rarely shoot past 60 yards and even with a 1.5" group at 100 yards it will be sub 3/4" at 50 yards.
As I said earlier the engineers at Remington make the rifles as accurate as possible and as affordable as possible.
The 700 police guns interest me and one would be a great addition to my collection.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #35 on:** July 01, 2011, 03:13:59 PM »

I remember reading a while back about a swat team specing out a sniper rifle and there criteria was that it shot at least 3 inch at a 100 yards. A guy could mount a scope on a 94 and do that well. Which brings up something a bit comical. The local sherrifs dept just got there first ar for the squad car before that it was 870s and 94 winchesters.

Swampman · « **Reply #36 on:** July 01, 2011, 03:50:38 PM »

A regular old 700P will shoot 1/4MOA groups all day long. It's nothing special.

pastorp · « **Reply #37 on:** July 01, 2011, 06:46:30 PM »

Come on now swampy, it's starting to get pretty deep in here.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #38 on:** July 01, 2011, 07:19:55 PM »

Quote from: pastorp on July 01, 2011, 06:46:30 PM

Come on now swampy, it's starting to get pretty deep in here.

When you sight in at 25 yards like most southern boys do, 1/4" or less groups are possible all day long.
I asked why they shoot at 25 yards to sight in. They say the ballistics are the same as 100 yards and why walk across the field if you don't have to.

yooper77 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:34:23 PM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on July 01, 2011, 07:19:55 PM

Quote from: pastorp on July 01, 2011, 06:46:30 PM
Come on now swampy, it's starting to get pretty deep in here.
When you sight in at 25 yards like most southern boys do, 1/4" or less groups are possible all day long.
I asked why they shoot at 25 yards to sight in. They say the ballistics are the same as 100 yards and why walk across the field if you don't have to.

I learned in Florida they hunt from elevation since you can't see more that 10 yards at ground level, so a 25 yards is a stretch indeed.

yooper77

Swampman · « **Reply #40 on:** July 02, 2011, 12:53:20 AM »

We have plenty of places where you can shoot 400-500 yards.

ironglow · « **Reply #41 on:** July 02, 2011, 02:22:18 AM »

While credit must be given to Remington for a very strong action which has been used many years by the military, the basic model Remington rifles are highly modified by or for the military. Remember, the problem with Rem misfires was recently highlighted by a military armorer, who said that was one of the points they made sure was eliminated in their modifications This debate over bolt action rifles may in the near future, prove to be a moot point. Looks like the Army is going semi auto for their standardized sniper rifle. The M110 acheived a regular .65 MOA ans has the extra benefit of followup shots..for group engagement or in case of a near miss.
http://www.military.com/forums/0,15240,146717,00.html
As mcwoodduck said, the police don't require the accuracy such as id required by a varmint rifle such as a Savage model 12, or even the accuracy desired by a varmint hunting AR15...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNG2w2TADus

Although I am not sure of how much and what degree by models it is done, the Matrines rework all their sniper rifles at Quantico. My grandson, whose MOS is armorer once considered working at the shop ther, but ended elsewhere. While serving in Al Anbar, he and his best friend were designated snipers for their unit. For this purpose, he built a "hand-select" M-16 base rifles.

BTW: This is the 4th paragraph of that first article (Military.com);
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" Being a highly modified Model 700 Remington bolt-action repeating rifle, the M24 is capable of great precision accuracy. However, lessons were relearned in Somalia and in target-rich environments encountered in the G-WOT that a self-loading rifle can be fired in succession 4 to 5 times faster than a bolt action rifle. Thus, the Army was determined to standardize a semi-automatic sniper rifle."
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Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #42 on:** July 02, 2011, 02:28:19 AM »

swampy has either only been at this for a couple years and has gotten lucky at the draw when it comes to the remingtons hes bought or wades through a constant pile. Ive owne many many remington 700s. I own 7 right now. Id say out of all of them half were moa guns a 1/4 of them a bit better and a 1/4 of them would never shoot moa. I can honestly say ive never had one much worse the 1.5 inch at a 100 though. Now swampy this isnt my first rodeo. Ive been loading for 40 years and using 700 that long. the first gun i loaded for was a 6mm classic 700. I here you all the time claim that all it takes is factory corelocks. Well my guns dont just get factory ammo. theres a couple guys on here that have seen my loading setup. Ive probably got as much money in just bullets as most have into there pickup. When i test a new gun it gets tried with at leas 10 differnt bullets. Brands and weights (corelocks too) and with many powder and primer combos. Sorry BUT THERES NO WAY IN HELL THAT ANYONE CAN GET SUB MOA ACCURACY OUT OF EVERY GUN HE BUYS WITH THE SAME BOX OF CORELOCKS!!! 700S are great guns (my favorite rifle) and corelock ammo is good ammo. But no two guns in the same caliber ive ever owned like the same factory ammo so well that both shot 3/4 inch groups. As a matter of fact ive rarely found a out of the box gun that would do sub moa with any factory ammo. Your a lucky sob if it happens once and you more likely to get struck by lightning then to have it happen more then once and you can do it every (censored word) time. Your pickup probably gets 25 mpg too as we know your to intellegent to buy one that doesnt! You might convince the hillbilly at the local watering hole that your guns all shoot like that but theres at least a couple of us that know your blowing hot air here. Yes you can come back and say that yes you do it all the time. The internet makes it real easy to be anything your little brain can dream up and difficult to prove wrong. I dont know why i dont just ignore your bs. I know better. I guess i just hate the fact that there are some inexperienced guys on here that dont and might actually think you know what your talking about. Do us all a favor and give it a rest. Your word as a man is your most important atribute. You seem to know some good info when it comes to guns. Why dont you try sticking to that and helping people instead of trying to inflate your ego.

Quote from: pastorp on July 01, 2011, 06:46:30 PM

Come on now swampy, it's starting to get pretty deep in here.

ironglow · « **Reply #43 on:** July 02, 2011, 02:43:12 AM »

More on the new M110;

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/03/marine-corps-sniper-rifle-m110-031711w/

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyweapons/a/m110.htm

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #44 on:** July 02, 2011, 02:43:56 AM »

heres my reloading room swampy. I sure wish i could sell it all and buy a couple boxes of corelocks. Hell i could afford a new truck and a new boat too!!

ironglow · « **Reply #45 on:** July 02, 2011, 02:46:15 AM »

Lloyd;
That sure is a beautiful setup..I can see where there is much invested.. Makes my reloading setup look like "tinker toy' stuff !

Swampman · « **Reply #46 on:** July 02, 2011, 03:00:10 AM »

Nothing wrong with reloads I reload to save money. The thing is you need a benchmark for accuracy and factory ammo is the benchmark. I'm constantly having folks come to me with firearms problems both function and accuracy. My first question is how does it shoot with Remington factory ammo. If they don't know how it shoots with factory ammo I tell them to buy some and get back to me. 90% of the time there's nothing wrong with the gun. Factory ammo is vastly superior to what it was even 10 years ago. Reloads are only as good as the person that assembled them, and frequently that's not so good.

My advise is to not over think things. Therein lies most of our troubles. This hobby is very simple and easy.

yooper77 · « **Reply #47 on:** July 02, 2011, 07:47:44 AM »

Nothing wrong with factory ammo for some folks, but its not for me.

I haven’t bought center fire ammo for over 25 years since I save tons of money and can tailor my hand loads. I love this hobby and it comes with the satisfaction that all my game is harvested using my hand loads. Obviously I start at the powder manufacturers minimum starting load and work towards the maximum load in order to achieve the best accuracy. Most of the time I find the most accurate load before I even reach the maximum load.

yooper77

pastorp · « **Reply #48 on:** July 02, 2011, 08:26:14 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on July 01, 2011, 05:56:01 AM

A Model 700 Police Sniper Rifle is made exactly like a Model 700 hunting rifle and on the same equipment. Both will shoot 1/2 MOA groups right out of the box. The "Sniper" versions have heavy barrels as do some Model 700 hunting rifles.

Which is the truth..

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Quote from: Swampman on July 01, 2011, 03:50:38 PM

A regular old 700P will shoot 1/4MOA groups all day long. It's nothing special.

Truth is neither one will always do this. A few might. This kind of blanket statements are misleading & false. I suggest you quit misleading the inexperienced members on this forum. Why not be honest swampy. You keep saying you just report the facts but some of us have owned enough guns for enough years to know you are lying.

Regards,

243dave · « **Reply #49 on:** July 02, 2011, 10:15:02 AM »

Lloyd, awesome reloading room !! The only thing I saw wrong with it was the Dale Jr. sign.

Don't get worked up over Swampman, most people with more than a couple years of shooting and reloading experience knows the truth. I'm a remington fan and have a old heavy-barreled model 700 22-250 that will shoot in the .3's for five shots with reloads. It took a trigger adjustment and glass bedding the action to get it there. I will never sell it because I know a factory rifle that shoots groups that little is a rare thing. For a heavy-barreled gun my goal is .5 moa. For sporter-barrels its under 1 moa. Of course most of the time its only reached after a trigger adjustment and some proper reloads are worked up, and sometimes some glass bedding too.
Dave

diggler1833 · « **Reply #50 on:** July 02, 2011, 10:34:04 AM »

Hmmmmmmm...

Regular old 700Ps that shoot 1/4 MOA all day long ... don't know what to say about that other than I need to get some taller boots because I've just waded into to some serious B.S. Stop being a troll, if you don't know, don't make it up. I know that you get a kick Swampy out of getting under other member's skin, but I'd hate to actually have you start influencing new shooters/members with that hogwash. I have seen a factory freak or two, but most "consistant" 1/4 MOA rifles have considerable work done to them, and most groups are shot during good weather conditions. 1/2 MOA is attainable right out of the box, but I'd be more willing to bet against you for say five groups of (5) shots each shot in one string.

I've also yet to ever see an actual compilation of police sniper shooting data to confirm or deny the 50-60yd distance that is continuously referenced. It seems like a reasonable assumption of distance though, but if someone can provide hard data to that reference I'd be happy to read up on it (no gun magazine writers quotes either).

Swampman · « **Reply #51 on:** July 02, 2011, 11:30:04 AM »

Quote from: pastorp on July 02, 2011, 08:26:14 AM

Quote from: Swampman on July 01, 2011, 05:56:01 AM
A Model 700 Police Sniper Rifle is made exactly like a Model 700 hunting rifle and on the same equipment. Both will shoot 1/2 MOA groups right out of the box. The "Sniper" versions have heavy barrels as do some Model 700 hunting rifles.

Which is the truth..

.
Quote from: Swampman on July 01, 2011, 03:50:38 PM
A regular old 700P will shoot 1/4MOA groups all day long. It's nothing special.

Both, read the statements......If you guys can't shoot it ain't my fault...

Graybeard · « **Reply #52 on:** July 02, 2011, 01:50:15 PM »

I wish someone from the forums could go visit swampy and call his bluff. It sure would be interesting to hear the excuses start flying why he couldn't back up his internet bravado.

pastorp · « **Reply #53 on:** July 02, 2011, 03:14:48 PM »

Next time I go back to my home state maybe I will have time to do that.

there is a guy that shoots of his mouth on 24 hour camp fire that was in the coastguard stationed in Ketchikan. One day at the pawn shop I met him. Knew who he was as soon as he told me his Internet handle. He was a little scrawney guy in person and quiet and well spoken, not anything like he was on the fire.

Swampy might be a great guy in person.

maybe........but all his outlandish statements wear thin on here.

Regards

Swampman · « **Reply #54 on:** July 02, 2011, 03:27:11 PM »

I've never made an outlandish statement. I've been shooting since I was 6, that's about 50 years. I started reloading when I was eight. Between Uncle Sam and shooting High Power I got better. I shot my first 1/4 MOA group in 1976 using a .30-06 sporter and my own handloads. It's not very hard.

My weapon of choice is the Model 700 boltgun when I mean business.....because it's the best there is.....IMO.

pastorp · « **Reply #55 on:** July 02, 2011, 04:16:16 PM »

See what I mean.......

Regards,

pastorp · « **Reply #56 on:** July 02, 2011, 04:27:08 PM »

Well I thought it over Swampy and next time I get down to Panama City, don't think thats far from you, I'll buy your breakfast.

You do like biscuitts & gravy don't ya............

Don't think I'll make it this year with all the medical my wife & I have had last year & this year.. but probably next year.

Regards,

Swampman · « **Reply #57 on:** July 02, 2011, 04:40:56 PM »

Let me know, I'd love to meet you.

pastorp · « **Reply #58 on:** July 02, 2011, 05:19:21 PM »

OK, sounds good to me as well.

Regards,

ironglow · « **Reply #59 on:** July 02, 2011, 05:30:05 PM »

Glad to see friendships develop beyond the web.. hope you guys can meet up soon.