Author Topic: Remington firearms (Read 10683 times)

Swampman · « **Reply #120 on:** July 17, 2011, 09:23:32 AM »

Because they are the most accurate production boltaction rifles in the world. They are also the best looking IMO.

eye shot · « **Reply #121 on:** July 17, 2011, 10:15:08 AM »

I don't understand what all you Savage lovers are blowing smoke over here on the Remington forum. It must be a slow day at the range or all your savages are in the shop getting accrasized. I have a 700 BDL that will do .25"@ 100 out of the box and has been for forty years. I also have a thirty eight year old Savage 99 that will do 3-4" out of the box and still doe's all day long. I keep it in the safe just to remind me not to buy another. JMO.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #122 on:** July 17, 2011, 10:42:26 AM »

ya i blew my back out at work and after 5 surgerys im on disablitiy. Im not strarving by a long shot but the days of custom guns are for the most part over. Luckily i still have a bunch to play with.

Quote from: pastorp on July 17, 2011, 06:08:13 AM

Lloyd,

I hear you making reference to fixed income and other statements refering to cost of guns. Have you retired or something that has changed your financial picture? You are the same Lloyd that had all the custom handguns built a few years ago aren't you. I know what those cost...........

Regards,

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #123 on:** July 17, 2011, 10:44:23 AM »

eyeshot youd best be careful or swampy is going to move in with you. thats about as unfair of a comparision as ive ever seen. I dont think youll even find a savage fanatic that would claim a 99 will shoot with a 700.

Quote from: eye shot on July 17, 2011, 10:15:08 AM

I don't understand what all you Savage lovers are blowing smoke over here on the Remington forum. It must be a slow day at the range or all your savages are in the shop getting accrasized. I have a 700 BDL that will do .25"@ 100 out of the box and has been for forty years. I also have a thirty eight year old Savage 99 that will do 3-4" out of the box and still doe's all day long. I keep it in the safe just to remind me not to buy another. JMO.

Swampman · « **Reply #124 on:** July 17, 2011, 11:45:35 AM »

The Savage 99 won't even shoot with the Marlin 336.

Graybeard · « **Reply #125 on:** July 17, 2011, 01:07:08 PM »

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My rifles in wood stocks are as pretty as any Remington I have ever seen and that includes a Shaw barrelled .308 Norma on a Savage 110 action in a laminated walnut/maple stock.

Ya just can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. No matter how fancy you dress it up the Savage action is UGLY as sin and there is nothing ya can do to change it. A pretty stock might help draw attention away from the ugliness of the action but eventually it still draws yer eyes and hurts mine.

Yeah I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that ugly Savage action just can't be fixed. I have no clue how accurate Savage bolt guns are. I once saw two at a gun shop where I knew the owner well. I got him to let me take both home to try out to see if they were accurate enough to over come the ugly. I didn't experiment a lot just used factory ammo but neither were better than minute of milk jug at 100 yards. I took them back and don't reckon I've picked up a Savage since.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #126 on:** July 17, 2011, 04:32:57 PM »

ive yet to find a 110 that wasnt an exceptional shooter and that includes even the cheap ones but even so i cant get over that ugly action either. Ive bought a few for my grandkids cause i got good deals on them and if they get into guns enough to realize how ugly they are they can sell them and buy a nicer gun. If not they do have a good accurate serviceable rifle to hunt with the rest of there lives

pastorp · « **Reply #127 on:** July 17, 2011, 08:29:35 PM »

The remington bolt actions look ok but can hardly be called a thing of beauty. I would reserve that class for the british rigbys & such. The early browning safari grades mfg. by FN were nice looking bolt guns as were the Sakos.
However I'm not really a bolt gun fan. I'll take agood lever any day and live with the slight loss of accuracy. Despite the claims swampy makes we all know not every remington 700 is a 1/2" shooter. Many are 2-3" guns.

Regards,

Swampman · « **Reply #128 on:** July 17, 2011, 11:42:10 PM »

In the hands of those who can't shoot.

pastorp · « **Reply #129 on:** July 18, 2011, 05:24:19 AM »

Swampy,

Several guys on here say the same thing. I believe graybeard & Lloyd can shoot and they both have noted that every remington will not shoot like you claim. This is just, "yet another of your blanket statements" that has no basis. It's easy to shoot your mouth off but not so to provide the proof.

You go on living in your dream world, guess it makes you happy...........

Regards,

Swampman · « **Reply #130 on:** July 18, 2011, 07:17:09 AM »

What I believe based on 50 years of experience with hundreds of rifles, is all the proof I need. What others believe doesn't matter to me at all.

parkergunshop · « **Reply #131 on:** July 18, 2011, 09:06:45 AM »

Graybeard wrote: « Reply #125 on: Yesterday at 05:07:08 PM »

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Ya just can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. No matter how fancy you dress it up the Savage action is UGLY as sin and there is nothing ya can do to change it. A pretty stock might help draw attention away from the ugliness of the action but eventually it still draws yer eyes and hurts mine.

Ok, to pretty things up I dispensed with the Savage Barrel lock nut, and installed a heavy sporter Shaw barrel with a standard barrel shoulder and taper. Reworked the bolt handle and parkerized the barrel action. I know that Lloyd hates the Savage barrel nut. It is a solid sub 1/2 shooter if I do my part from the bench. The only Remington magnum caliber rifle that I worked on that shoots as well is a left hand 700 in 7 M/M magnum that I stocked and accurized. Yes, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, You see pretty women with ugly men, and handsome men with ugly women all the time. I just don't care for stock factory rifles myself.

Swampman · « **Reply #132 on:** July 18, 2011, 03:04:16 PM »

I don't see a reason in spending a lot of money to build one that won't shoot as well as a Model 700 ADL from Walmart for $350.00

I wouldn't own a Savage if it were a gift.

pastorp · « **Reply #133 on:** July 18, 2011, 03:26:29 PM »

Your a real piece of work swampgas. You won't even alow Parkergunshop to have a opinion.

We all know how you feel but others have a right to their opinion without being harassed by you....

parkergunshop · « **Reply #134 on:** July 18, 2011, 03:27:24 PM »

Swampman,

This Savage started as a 7 M/M mag, I took it to a sporter rifle match and took the prize home over Remingtons in .243 Winchester and 6 M/M Remington. They made fun of me when I took the 7 Mag to the bench but the laughing stopped when my group was turned in to measure. After 1200 or so rounds the barrel was showing throat erosion so I rebarreled it to .308 Norma Mag.

Swampman · « **Reply #135 on:** July 18, 2011, 03:53:23 PM »

Quote from: pastorp on July 18, 2011, 03:26:29 PM

Your a real piece of work swampgas. You won't even alow Parkergunshop to have a opinion.

We all know how you feel but others have a right to their opinion without being harassed by you....

He knows that Remingon makes the finest and most accurate firearms in the world. He's just stiring the pot. Are you a moderator now?

George Foster · « **Reply #136 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:12:00 AM »

I get quite a kick out of these threads, as far as I am concerned most of the posts are outright BS. I am older and been shooting longer than most on here and that is another reason I feel the way I do. Some of the people whether they be moderators or self proclaimed experts here are doing a grave injustice to others who tend to believe them by their statements. A new Winchester costs no more than a Rem CDL and to my eyes the Winchester is as good looking or better looking than the CDL and I have two CDL's. I have tried the Rem CDL's for accuracy with the speed bumps left in and found that a bedded action and free floating gave better accuracy. And speaking of Butt Ugly guns I think the Rem SPS is about the most UGLY gun made today! For the price of a SPS you can buy a Savage Classic 14 which I feel is a very good looking rifle, I know which one I would buy. The two Ruger 77 MKII's I own shoot as well if not better at times as my Rem CDL's, I feel certain people get blinded by their favorites and feel and state everything else is inferior. My most accurate rifle that I own at the present time is an old Rem 788 with an ER Shaw barrel which by some people's statements are no good either. If you take a look at the benchrest factory rifle reports you will find it isn't Remington that is winning the most and setting the most records but it is rather Savage. I like all the rifles I own and with the favorite handloads that each rifle prefers I don't see much accuracy difference between any of them.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #137 on:** July 19, 2011, 03:31:07 AM »

well george im not buying any cdls at 9oo a pop either! Ive got two sps rems that i bought for around 450 and two take off cdl stocks i paid 75 a pop for. those are my cdls. As to the savages dominating bench rest shooting. Id like to see some documentation for that one. the couple comptitions i went to (observer not as a shooter) were completely dominated by remingtons. Both in stock classes and open classes. As to looks to each his own. What i think looks good might not be what you think looks good. As to my statements ill say this. I have no stake in any of it. Why would i say one manufacture was better then another unless i believed it. there surely not paying me to advertise. I call it like i see it and my advice isnt based on one of two guns or shooting 50 rounds a year. Id safely bet there isnt a half a dozen guys on this forum that shoot near what i shoot in a year and ive been doing it for 40 years. An injustice is guys giving advice that comes from shooting a 100 rounds a year out of a gun or advice that is nothing but repeated statements you got off the internet. I think you can ask around on here and wont find to many that think i give out bad info or recomendations. As a matter of fact I think youll find most will say if anything im brutaly honest. I believe it was you who sold all his savages because they were ugly.

Remington Firearms / Re: When will Remington get their quality control back in check? Maligned Chambers« on: February 28, 2010, 07:42:40 AM » I have to say if accuracy was my only criteria for owning a rifle or rifles I would own only Savage rifles. The two I had were more accurate than my Remington 700's that I own. I got rid of the Savages because my Ruger 77's and Rem 700's are better looking rifles. In fact my Rugers are just as accurate as my Remingtons contrary to a lot of peoples beliefs. I have shot smaller three or five shot groups with my Rugers than with my Remingtons using the handloads all of them like the best.

parkergunshop · « **Reply #138 on:** July 19, 2011, 05:12:40 AM »

To Swampman,

You wrote:

He knows that Remingon makes the finest and most accurate firearms in the world. He's just stiring the pot. Are you a moderator now?
Report to moderator

Logged "You come to the swamp, you better leave your skirt at the house"~Dave Canterbury~

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919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994

My response: Ok, yes I'm stiring the pot which Swampman is an expert at. You comment is kind of like the kettle calling the pot black. Your foggy vision from Retinoashitanitis is acting up again, do you spend any time thinking before you speak, or all of these one liners automatic defense response actions. How much does Remington pay you to promote their products? Something is really out of balance and biased to the extreme if you think that Remington makes the finest firearms in the world without qualifying the price points.

Swampman · « **Reply #139 on:** July 19, 2011, 06:18:09 AM »

If you want the best, get a Remington. If you are willing to settle for less buy an off brand. It's a free country.

George Foster · « **Reply #140 on:** July 19, 2011, 06:52:44 AM »

Lloyd, I have been shooting for 55+yrs now and I normally shoot around 1,000 rounds a year. I believe that is enough to tell me what is accurate and what is not. As I said I am happy with all my rifles as they are all accurate enough to suit me and I don't see a big difference in brands for accuracy. Just so you know all my rifles will shoot five shot groups of 0.75 or less and sometimes if I am holding up my end they will do quite a bit better.

Remington Firearms / Re: When will Remington get their quality control back in check? Maligned Chambers« on: February 28, 2010, 07:42:40 AM » I have to say if accuracy was my only criteria for owning a rifle or rifles I would own only Savage rifles. The two I had were more accurate than my Remington 700's that I own. I got rid of the Savages because my Ruger 77's and Rem 700's are better looking rifles. In fact my Rugers are just as accurate as my Remingtons contrary to a lot of peoples beliefs. I have shot smaller three or five shot groups with my Rugers than with my Remingtons using the handloads all of them like the best.

Would you mind telling me where I stated Savages are Ugly?

? There is a difference between saying that Ruger and Rem rifles are better looking and stating that Savages are ugly. In fact I feel the Savage Classic 14 is a very good looking rifle.

This is why I seldom ever post on her or anywhere, it seem there are always people who try to twist things to their suiting.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #141 on:** July 19, 2011, 10:46:42 AM »

"I get quite a kick out of these threads, as far as I am concerned most of the posts are outright BS. I am older and been shooting longer than most on here and that is another reason I feel the way I do. Some of the people whether they be moderators or self proclaimed experts here are doing a grave injustice to others who tend to believe them by their statements"

well george it looks like this statement was a direct attack on my honesty. Ive been around on this forum for a good long time and am pretty well known on here and i dont think youll find to many that will agree that ive done them any injustice. I think youll find just the opposite. I dont care for alot of swampys posts but at least he doesnt take personal slams at people and he gets them thrown at him constantly. Ive got big sholders too and can take it but if you cant take it back maybe you shouldnt post. By the way ive shot near a 1000 rounds this week. Im glad your happy with your savages but as you said yourself a remington is better looking all three are just as accurate and a remington cost no more then a savage. Add it up and i can see why you sold your savages.

George Foster · « **Reply #142 on:** July 19, 2011, 11:10:57 AM »

Well Lloyd I see you are pretty thin skinned so I won't post anymore, I also see you can't tell me when I said Savages are ugly because I NEVER DID that is the type of MARLARKY I don't take and I don't care who you are or who you think are. Rem makes some good rifles but as I said in my eyes the SPS model is UGLY starting with the sand paper bluing! I will never own a SPS, I like the CDL's and the old style ADL but I never cared for the looks of the BDL.

I didn't question your honesty although I question statements everyone makes from time to time and that is the way it is. Sometimes it amazes me that some people always seem to have problems with products that I have used for years and friends have used for years but they don't favor. They never have problems with problems they favor, very odd to me.

As I said you will not see me posting again.

parkergunshop · « **Reply #143 on:** July 19, 2011, 11:51:37 AM »

George,

Yes we have a lot of B.S. on almost any forum you log into. However the old addage applies: "If you can't stand the heat then stay away from the fire" which you are choosing to do.

I have strong opinions on many things and I post on several forums, have no problems with personal insults, learned how to handle those in basic training in the Air Force after one of my fellow Tar Heels who was my T.I. made me roll out a roll of toilet paper the full length of the barracks, stamp each and every space between the perforations with my name and serial number while bending from the waist only, then roll it back up and place it back in the Latrine in its place. Nothing is like the military to cure a case of thin skin or being easily insulted. I learned that often an insult is the best kind of compliment.

I pick at Swampman, but I respect him a lot for being firm in his beliefs and I don't aways agree with Lloyd or Graybeard. I try to share facts as I see them or my opinions which like some others may stink at times. I used Remingtons as benchrest rifles, but for sporting use prefer something else. I like Winchesters, Savages and Rugers. To me the Ruger Hawkeye is a good looking classic rifle.

Don't go away mad, stay and fight it out and stay the course like Swampman.

George Foster · « **Reply #144 on:** July 19, 2011, 03:06:15 PM »

Parker, I have no problem with Swampman I get quite a kick out of him although I do take a lot of salt at times. I do feel sorry for him at times as he is considered a Troll on other sites. I always keep an open mind about firearms and Swampman is dedicated in his admiration for Remington products. I own quite a few myself as I have always been a shotgunner and when I shot registered Skeet and Trap it was with Remington shotguns and I have been hunting upland birds, ducks and geese since 1967 with Rem 870 Wingmasters. There again I don't care for the Rem 870 Express guns.

Lloyd you must work as a tester if you shot 1,000 rounds in two days this week! Yes if you buy SPS's they cost no more than a Savage or some of them at least but then Savage puts real bluing on all their guns and there plastic stocks are certainly no worse than the Rem. Savage does put pillars in them also but I don't believe Rem does do they? I believe you can buy a Classic Savage for about the same price as a SPS and that is a heck of a better looking rifle to my eyes. And yes I did feel the Rem CDL's are a better looking rifle than the Savages I owned at the time. Win Mod 70's, Rem CDL's, Ruger 77's and Savage Classics are all very nice looking rifles to me. I enjoy owning the Remington rifles I do but I don't feel they are the gold standard of rifles, in fact I don't feel that way about any brand.

I wouldn't have made this post except for the fact I wanted to answer Parker.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #145 on:** July 19, 2011, 06:22:46 PM »

haha complaining about the looks of a gun, thats funny!

Most modern rifle i shoot is a Mosin Nagant built in 1953. Now if ya wanna cry about looks. Theres a gun for ya to cry over!

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #146 on:** July 20, 2011, 02:47:59 AM »

sorry george if i wrote it a bit wrong but i meant in the last week. Theres probably not a week goes by in the summer that i dont shoot well over a thousand rounds between handguns and rifles. Lately its been rifles alot because im getting ready to start crop damage deer shooting next week. I didnt mean to come down on you like i did but im an honest man and have alot of pride in the fact that theres not an once of bs in me. Problem is sometimes i tell it like it is a bit roughly. Bottom line is i could give a rats ### what kind of a gun you or anyone else likes. I know what i like and i buy them. As im sure you do too. Even i am not stuck on one brand like some

I have rifles i really like from ruger and winchester too and have even owned a savage or two through the years. Yes im opinionated and bullheaded. But most of my opinions come from pulling the trigger. Shooting guns and hunting is my life. I dont have snowmobiles or motorcyles or hotrods anymore. I spend all of my time and all of my money on shooting. So bottom line in this is im right and everyone else is wrong. If you doubt it just ask my wife and shell tell you!

pastorp · « **Reply #147 on:** July 20, 2011, 05:35:49 AM »

Lloyd,

Thought you had some kind of a side by side 4 wheeler you rode off road. You get rid of that?

Regards,

George Foster · « **Reply #148 on:** July 20, 2011, 08:54:04 AM »

No need to worry about me lloyd. The way I feel about things is there is nobody on the internet who impresses me or intimidates me. I will be 67 shortly, I have been shot at in my younger days and I am still here so I don't worry about much now. The only time I get upset is if someone falsely accuses me of something or they imply something about me. I don't stay upset for long though as I just consider the source and move on. I tend to take everything I read on the internet with at least one grain of salt and with some people quite a bit more than one grain. I tend to listen to friends who I shoot and hunt with as they have been around such as I have and I know I can depend on them. I say what I feel and that is the way I am although I am a lot easier going now than when I was younger. BTW you were about five years old when I started my drag racing career, I sometimes hate to think about how fast time passes by.

ironglow · « **Reply #149 on:** July 20, 2011, 01:05:19 PM »

First off..looks/appearance. I don't think we can rationally debate the looks of a rifle..because "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Many years ago I had a friend named Jim who worked in a brickyard with me. Jim took a new bride which he considered to be the most beautiful woman who ever graceed his home town. I frankly thought she was a ugly as a homemade woodchuck...but he was delighted with his beautiful wife..AND THAT"S WHAT REALLY COUNTS!
This thread started out with Pastorp speaking about q-u-a-l-i-t-y..a nd some us (rightly or wrongly) believe the first expression of quality is accuracy.
I simply pointed out which manufacturer seems to be outperforming others.."where the rubber meets the road"...
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/team-savage-multiple-medals/
Now, I didn't say that Savage is the only accurate rifle.. I have and have had some H&Rs which perform very well..along with some Marlins, Mossbergs, Anschutz and a CZ which have performed very well for me.
Comparatively speaking, my 336 nor most levers are accurate rifles..but they arte adequate for deer/bear in eastern woodlands & mountains.
Another fdactor which concerns quality is SAFETY and it appears Remington may have a challenge on it's hands with their bolt guns.