Go SavageT: Yeah! BigBill - Old Buddy, the S&B factory loads in 196 grn at stompers, no matter how ya'll look at it. In addition, the Vhita-Vhoury-Oy loads for the 8mm take that 170 grainer way out there and the 150s can be loaded to beyond 3K'/sec.
I have always advocated the use of European loading data for a European cartridge. American ammo makers never did any of the Euro calibers any justice, as they were more intent on psuhing out the American calibers and the reloading manuals were even worse, being constantly fraught with unnecessary liability concerns. The Euros wonder what all the concern is about. I would recommend the VV loading data - it'sa some good stuff. Mikey.