Damning Evidence and Research ... On Pentagon Attack

[Casull]

My understanding is those claims were made by professional pilots.  They were made very early before there was a 911 truth movement.  The claims were that they didn't think they could actually hit the Pentagon.  The evidence in the video says the plane flew over so it supports the pilots claims.

If that is an example of your understanding of logic, it sort of destroys any credability that you might be trying to establish.  So, "professional pilots" say it can't be done.  Someone says the plane flew over the building.  Hence the "professional pilots" were correct that it couldn't be done.  Is that about it?   

[Casull]

tm7, you mean like you responded point by point to Kinslayer's posts.  Oh, wait, you didn't do that. 

[Casull]

So what happen at the pentacon on 9/11/2001 around 9:30am...?

To be frank, I have no idea.  I've never heard of the pentacon.   

[Lost Farmboy]

Farm Boy it has everything to do with this plot. What a joke this thread is.

Still not addressing the evidence presented in any way.

[powderman]

So what happen at the pentacon on 9/11/2001 around 9:30am...?

To be frank, I have no idea.  I've never heard of the pentacon.

Me either. Must not be regular english.  POWDERMAN. 

[Lost Farmboy]

My understanding is those claims were made by professional pilots.  They were made very early before there was a 911 truth movement.  The claims were that they didn't think they could actually hit the Pentagon.  The evidence in the video says the plane flew over so it supports the pilots claims.

If that is an example of your understanding of logic, it sort of destroys any credability that you might be trying to establish.  So, "professional pilots" say it can't be done.  Someone says the plane flew over the building.  Hence the "professional pilots" were correct that it couldn't be done.  Is that about it?   

Casull your eyes are better than mine.  I can't see the fine print between the lines you are reading.

I never said it couldn't be done.  In the first weeks after 911 professional airline pilots were quoted saying they didn't think they couldn't hit the pentagon.  They didn't say it couldn't be done.  They just said they didn't think they could do it.  They said they had a hard time believing that an amateur with little training could pull it off.  At that time it bothered me, but I still believed the government story for years after.  I thought that sitting in front of the plane it would be easy to hit the target, but I have no experience piloting a plane.

Jesse Ventura tested this theory on his show.  He had a member of his team with about the same amount of experience as the accused pilot try it on an official airline simulator.  He successfully crashed the plane every time.  He just never hit the building.  Next the flighty instructor tried.  He crashed the plane a few times, but never hit the building.  This simple test tells me we need more testing on the theory.

[Lost Farmboy]

My understanding is those claims were made by professional pilots.  They were made very early before there was a 911 truth movement.  The claims were that they didn't think they could actually hit the Pentagon.  The evidence in the video says the plane flew over so it supports the pilots claims.

If that is an example of your understanding of logic, it sort of destroys any credability that you might be trying to establish.  So, "professional pilots" say it can't be done.  Someone says the plane flew over the building.  Hence the "professional pilots" were correct that it couldn't be done.  Is that about it?   

Now to address the second point in your comment.

You said,”someone says the plane flew over the building”.

Your comment suggest that you never watched the video we are all talking about.  That someone was a dock worker inside the Pentagon.  The loading dock is on the opposite side of the building were the damage occurred.   He heard the explosions and ran to the dock to look out side.  He saw an airliner that had just flown over the building turn toward the airport.  He thought there were 2 planes.  One hit the building and the other flew over and turned toward the airport.

We know that there was only 1 plane. Because billy's cousin and thousand of others including the rest of the witnesses in the video only saw only one plane.  So my sense of logic says maybe the plane its self never hit the building.

[powderman]

LOST. There was no witness who saw a plane fly over the building away from the pentagon. The so called witness said that SOMEBODY SAID, he saw nothing. You guys are all tore up that the so called official flight path was wrong, BIG DEAL. Flight #77 hit the pentagon killing all aboard, so why argue how it got there??  Most of these so called truths are dreamed up by people trying to take the heat off the cult of hatred and death that caused all of this. There were 4 planes hijacked that day, NOBODY who boarded those planes lived.  POWDERMAN. 

[Graybeard]

I've not believed a plane hit the pentagon since I saw the first images of the supposed crash on TV that day. I still don't. I do accept that two planes hit the twin towers but I refuse to believe a plane crashed in that field in PA where they say one did.

I dunno the truth of the day but I'm convinced and have been since the day it happened that the official story is a lie.

But hey I still don't believe man has set foot on the moon either. They've given me no proof I can accept of either.

Having worked for the federal government for 30 years I do know the one thing they do best is lie to the public. I was given direct orders to do so a lot of times during my career.

[Lost Farmboy]

LOST. There was no witness who saw a plane fly over the building away from the pentagon. The so called witness said that SOMEBODY SAID, he saw nothing. You guys are all tore up that the so called official flight path was wrong, BIG DEAL. Flight #77 hit the pentagon killing all aboard, so why argue how it got there??  Most of these so called truths are dreamed up by people trying to take the heat off the cult of hatred and death that caused all of this. There were 4 planes hijacked that day, NOBODY who boarded those planes lived.  POWDERMAN. 

Powderman why do you bother making comments like this when you didn't watch the video.  How can you address the evidence if you never saw it.  Three points in you post prove you didn't watch the video.

[billy_56081]

My view is the eye witness account from my cousin that stated it was just exactly as the official story says.

[powderman]

LOST. YES, I did watch the video. I repeated what the guy said. He didn't say, I SAW, he said, SOMEBODY SAID they saw. I'm not wasting another 1 1/2 hrs to find it. Do you really believe that passengers on #77 flew over the pentagon, knew it, and the building blew up all by itself wouldn't have said something like, HEY, I didn't die there, I'm ALIVE. Come on guys think. POWDERMAN. 

[kinslayer1965]

TM7,

I did respond to your rebuttal to the "cut and paste" info that I posted. I responded the same way that I have responded since joining this forum.

"Why is the information that us "sheeple" "tin-foilers" or any of the other slurs that you guys use to describe anybody who doesn't agree with your NWO or 9/11 conspiracy any less authoratative that what you guys post?

We respond by posting info and we get "typical goverment coverup site", "doesn't pass the drill test" or something of the sort. Just don't question their post or your sanity will be questioned.

I previously posted a link to a site giving what I thought was a very detailed explanation of what happened at the pentagon with links to studies done at major universities. I found it quite enlightening but......you guessed it.......it was a "typical gov. disinfo site" according to the NWO/9/11 bunch.

I will continue to post info that i find enlightening even though I know it will be trashed by some.

[kinslayer1965]

I am but a "poor player who struts and frets my hour upon the stage and is heard no more". Glad I am not the only one with a library card. Big fan of his tragedies. Never cared much for the comedies.

In case you missed it TM7 the "AFDB" was a response to the Neo-Tinfoiler post. I just tried to impart a little humor and I got a good laugh from your responses.

Here is what I find funny...the "Agent 86" thing I found by following a link on one of your post. It was a couple times removed as I went to the site and then followed the additional links to another site and so on and so on. It might come as a surprise but I do try to follow up on stuff that is posted. That being said I probably should not have posted it and if someone took it as a personal insult you have my humblest apologies.

CR

[kinslayer1965]

Would the "CUI BONO" you are referring to be the question of who profited from 9/11?
 
When I started researching this I found that most of the info you find on line about "who profited from 9/11" comes from conspiracy sites. Wasn't a big surprise but anyway the three most often (there were literally hundreds listed on the sites) mentioned alleged profiteers seem to be 1) Larry Silverstein 2) Anyone who took advatage of "put options" offered on United and AA stock in the days preceeding 9/11 and 3) A group of Isreali investors who sold short 38 different stocks in the days preceeding 9/11.
 
I did not find any actual hard evidence of anything. No Direct links, first hand info, documents supporting any of the allegations. Supposedly someone knows someone who knows that the SEC is investigating. Couldn't find any info substantiating the Larry Silverstein connection other than second hand he said she said stuff. Could not find a list of the supposed stocks that were sold short. Nor could I find the names of the Isreali investors.
 
All this being said I know there are lots of different companies making huge sums in the rebuilding efforts and the Freedom Tower. Things are so far over budget is is ridiculous. I blame that on the corruption that is so prevalent in the NYC construction industry.
 
I will continue searching and have saved some sites I want to go back to and dig some more but I have to say I have found nothing compelling or earth shattering in any of my searching so far.
 
CR

[Casull]

I did not find any actual hard evidence of anything. No Direct links, first hand info, documents supporting any of the allegations. Supposedly someone knows someone who knows that the SEC is investigating. Couldn't find any info substantiating the Larry Silverstein connection other than second hand he said she said stuff. Could not find a list of the supposed stocks that were sold short. Nor could I find the names of the Isreali investors.

 
Imagine that.   

[Lost Farmboy]

LOST. YES, I did watch the video. I repeated what the guy said. He didn't say, I SAW, he said, SOMEBODY SAID they saw. I'm not wasting another 1 1/2 hrs to find it. Do you really believe that passengers on #77 flew over the pentagon, knew it, and the building blew up all by itself wouldn't have said something like, HEY, I didn't die there, I'm ALIVE. Come on guys think. POWDERMAN. 

 
OK powderman I'll do some of your home work for you, but you will still fail the truth test.


Load the video. Then click on the time line until you get to minute 51. There you will see Pentagon police officer Roosevelt Roberts Jr. say he heard the explosion and walked 7 steps to the South loading dock. Looking over the South parking lot he saw the plane flying away.

[sdb777]

My view is the eye witness account from my cousin that stated it was just exactly as the official story says.

Here say....not able to be confirmed.
Come up with real evidence or collect your final payment from the Gatekeeper Dept.
Signed your boss Obama
 

[billy_56081]

I am still waiting for the official Tinfoiler theory. I have heard so many different tinfoiler theories about what happened and all of them have portions that expect me to suspend physics and natural law to be possible. While the official goverment story is EXACTLY as my cousin Mark described it.

BTW use the correct spelling of hear say not here say.

[Swift One]

Powderman,
 
This post is not an attack on you, but I have been following you for a long time with the poilitcal and conspiracy stuff.  I just have to give you my observations.
 
You believe in the "American Dream" without a doubt.  You seem to have 100% faith in that and I respect that about you.  Faith is a hard thing to swallow these days...at least for me. I am a "seeing is believing" type of guy.
 
You do seem to think though that most- if not all other countries, cultures and religions outside of the US and christianity are sub par.
 

I believe that on 9-11-01 a group of 19 godless, subhuman, sobs stole 4 fully loaded planes and used them as missles as they crashed them screaming  allah akhbar murdering 3,000 innocent American civilians and sent  themselves to hell. I do not believe the govt was involved in any way.

 

godless, subhuman, sobs
 

the cult of hatred and death
 

Most of these so called truths are dreamed up by people trying to take the heat off the cult of hatred and death that caused all of this. 
 

These are as you know your posts from one thread.  But you talk like this alot in your other posts about muslims and about democrats.
 
Brother, I have been around this world twice, and I am here to tell you that it just isn't the above two mentioned that are bad people.  Humans are violent people in general and you see it all over the world.  Americans are no exception. And we (along with the rest of the world) are becoming more and more violent every year.
 
How do you think you came to be an american?  Hec, true americans are native americans.  Look what we did to them. "Here is your blanket Mr. Indian, welcome to Small Pox." "Hey, look at all those buffalos.  Lets kill all of them and just take their skins."
 
We took this place from them, by force.  Pillage and rape to be exact.
 
And christianity?  Lets not forget the crusades my friend.  We the europeans went about the world forcing that on every culture that we came across.  By force.
 
Weather you are an American christian, an arab muslim, or an oriental buddhist, its all violent in some way or another.
 
Our military has done the same stuff to other countries as the muslims are doing to us.  Its war, nothing else.  Just war. One groups of armed people going against another group of armed people based on beliefs and culture.
 
The Vietnamese used to crap on Punji stakes so we would step on them, get sepsis (sp?), and die from infections.  Our answer? lets go into a village and rape, and murder all of them.  I will ask you to google the Muy Ly (sp?) Incident that took place.  Every faction has bad apples and we are by far no exception.
 
I dont know what to make of the 9/11 incident. Do I think there were cover ups?  Yes.  Do I think that the adminstation at the time knew something big was going to happen? Yes. I have no doubts that the American government (reps or dems) are completely corrupt and have no quams about doing some terrible things to us for their own gain weather it be tax increases, or murder.
 
I believe though that you have been comlpletely clouded- hook line and sinker- to the reality of what kind of world we are living in by your 100% faith in the "American Dream" that died many, many years ago.
 
Alot of Muslims hate us, So what?  I hate them too.  They are on the "other side" and its only natural for me to think that way.  Its just war my friend.  The fact is though, we are really not that much better off in alot of ways.  Some ways Yes, but not all of them- or even most.  I will never buy into the theory though that America is the greatest place on Earth.  Maybe once upon a time, but not since my dad was a kid in the 50s, IMO. All empires fail.  Corruption is the trade of the day.  I hate it too.  I wish it was different, but I cannot control the times that I live in...
 
Dont confuse the facts with your beliefs. Americans died on 9/11.  Muslims are at war with us. Elvis is dead. But, Muslims do believe in their god, It's just war, and we do the same nasty corrupted stuff in our country that "the cult of hatred" does in theirs.

[BBF]

I'll Second that.