Author Topic: Ishmaelites send another flotilla to gaza, Israel says no way. (Read 5098 times)

ironglow · « **Reply #30 on:** July 04, 2011, 02:26:42 AM »

Powderman;
Here is a great quote from a wise old preacher (Wm Ward Ayer), a good one to commit to memory. He put it very succinctly when he said;

" The reason people are down on the Bible, is that they are not up on the Bible" !

powderman · « **Reply #31 on:** July 04, 2011, 04:34:03 AM »

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The reason people are down on the Bible, is that they are not up on the Bible" !

IRONGLOW. THat is so true. There are also some who intentionally misquote the Bible to pervert Gods word to promote satans agenda. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #32 on:** July 04, 2011, 06:22:22 AM »

Come on TM, what is the source of your hermeneutics ? Just look at this short passage from your own post:

"Well I see....I have no problem with the 'New Covenant'...I've been telling you it annulled the old....but so your Christianity began around the same time as Islam (Mohmammed's Qu'ran), modern Judiasm (return from Babylon with Talmud), with the Council of Nicea--Cannonization, the Second Council of Nicea, and the KJV (1611), and then final result in judaoe-christianity.

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Let's look at youir statements;
"Christianity began about the same time as Islam" TM, I have already told you in my above post that the apostles were first called "Christian" (follower of Christ) at Antioch. The church itself started on the day of Pentecost as I indicated above and all historians agree with.
You're all hung up with a council of Nicea, something of little importance in Bible studies...and a moot point.
Your real mistake and a very sophomoric one is your statement you attribute to Jesus;

You claim.. "But here's what Jesus said about the Logos (Gnosis) when asked:"

Now I have to take you back to what is usually some of trhe most basic information taught in an average Thursday night Bible study.
"Logos" is properly translated to "word" or "the word"..and guess who the "word" is ! JESUS is the word !

" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." ( John 1:1)

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, as the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14)
The term you (or your source) mis-translated, "gnosis"..means "knowledge".. not "word"

Anyone here can look in their Bible and note here that "Word" is capitalized in John 1. Why was that done ? Simple; Word is another NAME for Jesus, so it is capitalized, just as "His" is capitalized when referring to God/Jesus...

Rather basic Bible study information.

ironglow · « **Reply #33 on:** July 04, 2011, 09:57:58 AM »

TM;
I cannot imagine where you dig up your convoluted history, but virtually all historians bothj secular and ecclesiastic agree that the day of Pentecost, the founding of the church was circa 30-35 AD.

Muhammad didn't make up his stuff until about 620 AD, whereupon he borrowed some from both the OT and NT, striking out what he didn't like and adding his own preferences (e.g. switching the rightful heir to Abraham from Isaac to Ishmael). We KNOW what happens to guys who do that ! Just read (Revelations22:19).

Now, when you say, " with John as Christ was embodiment of the Word/Logos/and knowledge "...that is a mouthful, to say the least!
Are you implying somehow, that John IS the Christ ? You cannot be suggesting that can you ? ...And again, logos and gnosis are two distinctly seperate words.

As far as your charts, they may as well have come out of a CrackerJack box! Since I don't recognize this as from any historian I am accustomed to, I must ask the source of that kind of info ? Where in the world did that originate / links, please.

Your charts seem to be inordinately concerned with the Vatican. I do not concern myself with the Vatican, nor do I agree with their version of many things. The Vatican plays no part nor ever has historically, played any part with my choice of local church. Obviously many organized churches claim descent from that original church of Pentecost...but Jesus himself said the "ones that do My will" are the inheritors of His church. Therefore those which are closest to the Apostolic church are the most likely heirs..not to exclude sincere others.

Sorry, but those charts look like something conjured up by a "conspiracy theorist".

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 04, 2011, 10:05:31 AM »

Zionist eye candy?

ironglow · « **Reply #35 on:** July 04, 2011, 10:15:00 AM »

Yep! Zionist eye candy..

Hey; don't short-change Americans, after all..we have some "eye candy" right here in the good old USA !

Check this out ! http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=72178

powderman · « **Reply #36 on:** July 04, 2011, 11:51:41 AM »

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Muhammad didn't make up his stuff until about 620 AD, whereupon he borrowed some from both the OT and NT, striking out what he didn't like and adding his own preferences (e.g. switching the rightful heir to Abraham from Isaac to Ishmael). We KNOW what happens to guys who do that ! Just read (Revelations22:19).

IRONGLOW. THats what satan does, twists Gods word to his benefit, like others we know. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #37 on:** July 04, 2011, 05:32:41 PM »

TM; You come up with your various esoteric gleanings which seem incongruous at best. When asked, you claim that it is not something you made up by yourself.. Then when asked to give us links to the sites in which you invest your studies, you refuse to do that. How then are we to KNOW for sure it wasn't something you simply "made up" ?
The great change, (New Covenant) was part and parcel of Jesus' incarnation. He instituted the Lord's day in place of the sabbath, stopped the stoning of women, made it possible for sinners to obtain forgivness and get into heaven, instituted the Lord's Supper and established firmly that "God is love"..
Most of these things are items in which both the OT alone and Islam....share a backward way of dealing with. Naturally, the Israelis no longer stone women, behead people, or lop off their hands and feet..

BTW: The tribe of Judah..the root word from which Judea and Jew wer derived. Of course, unlike some others, the Jews long ago set the "tribal" thing aside. They no longer have inter-tribal warfare with war-lords etc. The moved away from that primitive existence some several centuries ago..

powderman · « **Reply #38 on:** July 04, 2011, 05:41:15 PM »

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Most of these things are items in which both the OT and Islam....share a backward way of dealing with. Naturally, the Israelis no longer stone women, behead, or lop of hands and feet..

IRONGLOW. True, but the godless ones still do, almost daily. Is there another cult that does this?? POWDERMAN.

powderman · « **Reply #39 on:** July 05, 2011, 07:22:05 AM »

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...Would your Christ pre-empt shipments and aid to strife torn, diseased, struggling Palestinians and their children..??

IRONGLOW. Notice that tm says YOUR Christ, evidently admitting that Jesus is not his, or her Christ. Big shock there.
tm. Jew is mentioned in the Holy Bible many many times and it was written thousands of years ago, not in the 1800s as you are trying to convince the good folks here, just another of your untruths. I'm sure Jesus would feed the trespassers, but certainly would not ARM them to kill his own people. Jesus would probably also tell the phillistines that they should abide by the laws of the land they are in, he told his disciples as much. He might also strongly suggest that they get out of Israel, leave Gods people alone, and quit being a royal pita. Your agenda is very plain to most everybody here. But, like you say, people are catching on to this. Spew away if it makes you feel better, we know the truth. POWDERMAN.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 05, 2011, 08:27:37 AM »

Sad thing is, is that this is not an argument of Christianity Judaism or islam. It is a discussion of decent people and violent animals. Israel has to inspect these shipments as the violent vicious pali's would pack weapons in place of aid as these rabid animals would starve their children for the chance to murder. It is the ancient struggle between good and bad. And for those of you who are too stupid to know Israel good palis bad. Simple as that.

ironglow · « **Reply #41 on:** July 06, 2011, 05:59:57 AM »

MY Christ..or rather the real Christian Christ..didn't deal much in government or politics. However; I feel quite confident that he would not see a great problem with those peaceful govts ascertaining that warlike neighbors be dissuaded/prevented from importing weapons of war and killing armaments. ..."Blessed are the peacemakers"..(Jesus)...
If indeed Gaza were a peaceful entity they should appreciate Israel's efforts, since Israel offloads and transports overland, their imported goods, FREE OF CHARGE ! All except mayhem producing weapons of course..
Pretty decent neighbors..

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Then you come up with this silly claim;.....

" You have misused the word 'jew' again'. "
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The derivation of the word..the tribe of Judah..their home grounds ..Judea..

Another name for Jesus..."the lion of the tribe of Judah" (Rev 5:5)

Pontius Pilate had a signboard placed on the coss which stated, "King of the Jews", the pharisees asked that it be changed to "He said He was king of the Jews".... Pontius Pilate replied "what I have written, I have written".

Now TM, all of these people, many being Jews themselves, knew Jesus personally and they agreed that he was a Jew !

Jesus' mother was a Jew and Jesus was born a Jew.

The very name Jew was used throughout the Bible..

You will have to produce something..websites at least, if you are going to convince us your theology isn't just something you "made up"...

powderman · « **Reply #42 on:** July 06, 2011, 06:20:51 AM »

IRONGLOW. If it wasn't for Israel helping to feed and clothe them the phillistines would die, yet they keep biting the hand that feeds them.
tm. Borrow a copy of the REAL Bible and read it, you will find JEW throughout it. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #43 on:** July 06, 2011, 08:27:51 AM »

TM;
From your post #43 where you said:
"Thanx, but I think you are pretty much prove my point with John as Christ was embodiment of the Word/Logos/and knowledge and was, is, and always will be".
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Please explain what you mean by... "John as Christ" ! Sorry to break your bubble, but there is only ONE Christ !

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #44 on:** July 06, 2011, 10:01:56 AM »

If my church wanted to ship aid to Gaza, they would allow Israel to board and inspect what was being shipped. Why the blockaid running? What are they hiding. Israel has and will allow humanitarian aid to Gaza, just NO WEAPONS. They have redirected ships to Israeli ports to be unloaded and inspected, then trucked the humanitarian aid to Gaza. This blockaid running is only to deliver rockets.

ironglow · « **Reply #45 on:** July 06, 2011, 10:26:24 AM »

Hamas, Hezbollah and other Islamic terrorist organizations wouldn't lie, would they ? ...At least some here would like us to believe that !

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #46 on:** July 06, 2011, 12:04:18 PM »

Well why is Gaza under seige? Is is because the idiots shoot rockets into Israel? Isreal retaliates. One way they have done so is destroy the homes or buildings the rockets came from. Makes sense, they can't use it again. Why did Egypt also secure their border with Gaza? Also, they didn't want to take Gaza as part of their territory when Israel gave back the Sinai. Is it because they didn't want to deal with the troublemakers? Egypt has plenty of territory they could have moved to besides Gaza. Egypt also spoke the same language, has the same religion. Jordan didn't want to take back the West Bank? Why? They also could have made peace with Israel. They have a peaceful border with Israel south of the Dead Sea. Why did they not claim back the West Bank? Is it because of troublemakers? They also try to keep rockets out of the Palestinians hands on the West Bank.

powderman · « **Reply #47 on:** July 06, 2011, 12:25:58 PM »

No, this isreali siege is and act of war...specifically an act of genocide, but that's what those supposing to be racially superior (chosen) do. This is a multi-national relief force put together to counter isreali agression an genocide.

tm. All wrong as usual. Theres no seige, no genocide, no concentration camp. All your phillistine friends have to do is LEAVE ISRAEL. Nobody is making them stay in occupied Israel. Go to Egypt, the muslim brotherhood opened the borders and are beckoning them to come to me with open arms. Israel needs to quit feeding these scum that keep biting them. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #48 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:56:06 PM »

TM says;
" Propaganda....you're told and apparently belief they shoot thousands of rockets into israel. No doubt they do shoot some rockets, but not into isreal,,,the few they do shoot are into their own land which is occupied. No isrealis are damaged by these rockets if you ever noticed. Pictures in France show the IDF firing the rockets at themselves!!....its a deception for a number of reasons.:"
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Of course they would HAVE shoot rockets into their own territory..

We KNOW they would never shoot those dangerous "rocket things" at the people they swore to "wipe off the map"...guess that makes sense..to TM anyway

. Who built those deadly weapons anyway ? Couldn't have been those harmless fellows from the "love & peace" cult..could it ?

powderman · « **Reply #49 on:** July 06, 2011, 04:05:38 PM »

Pictures in France show the IDF firing the rockets at themselves!!....its a deception for a number of reasons.:

tm. HEH, now thats rich, a real good one. That was really reaching. Definitely gave me a chuckle. POWDERMAN.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #50 on:** July 07, 2011, 05:18:56 AM »

So TM are you now lying that the palis are actually firing rockets or were you lying before when you said the palis were firing harmless fireworks? Truth is a consistent story while lies are ever changing.

powderman · « **Reply #51 on:** July 07, 2011, 07:40:04 AM »

Truth is a consistent story while lies are ever changing.

BILLY. YEP. POWDERMAN.

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #52 on:** July 07, 2011, 09:15:47 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on July 04, 2011, 10:15:00 AM

Yep! Zionist eye candy..

Hey; don't short-change Americans, after all..we have some "eye candy" right here in the good old USA !

Check this out ! http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=72178

Hey IG,
That a bada bing! bada bang! kaboom knockout!

No comparison at all, that's why liberal women

are so angry!

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #53 on:** July 07, 2011, 09:25:22 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on July 05, 2011, 04:42:15 AM

IG....you're being quite stiffnecked about these things, almost as bad as PMan....

..TM7

Why shouldn't they be? If someone tries to sell you bull manure, disguised as perfume, you still hold your nose.
Are you supposed to agree and make believe it smells good?
Bull manure, by any other name is still bull manure.

BBF · « **Reply #54 on:** July 07, 2011, 09:56:37 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on July 06, 2011, 10:26:24 AM

Hamas, Hezbollah and other Islamic terrorist organizations wouldn't lie, would they ? ...At least some here would like us to believe that !

Are you of the opinion then that any one of those mentioned above loaded up the ship from wherever it sailed?? IMO that is a stretch unless the ship and crew are all fanatics with easy access to all those missiles etc that they want to deliver.

BBF · « **Reply #55 on:** July 07, 2011, 10:03:42 AM »

Quote from: Dixie Dude on July 06, 2011, 10:01:56 AM

If my church wanted to ship aid to Gaza, they would allow Israel to board and inspect what was being shipped. Why the blockaid running?............. They have redirected ships to Israeli ports to be unloaded and inspected, then trucked the humanitarian aid to Gaza..............

Since your church wouldn't sent weapons why be inconvenienced to go into an Israeli Harbor. Secondly after the inspection I would not want Israel to even unload any goods and be responsible for land transport.Why?? Because I would want ALL of the goods to go to Gaza.

BBF · « **Reply #56 on:** July 07, 2011, 10:17:09 AM »

Quote from: powderman on July 06, 2011, 12:25:58 PM

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..............friends have to do is LEAVE ISRAEL. They are not in Israel, Gaza is no Israel but under siege by them.

Nobody is making them stay in occupied Israel. As usual you invert the truth, Gaza is occupied not Israel

Go to Egypt, the Muslim brotherhood opened the borders and are beckoning them to come to me with open arms.They are not obligated to accept that invitation just so Israel can gets their claws on their property.

Israel needs to quit feeding these scum............ Israel administrates the funds( a travesty IMO) that go to Gaza, they do not finance them.

ironglow · « **Reply #57 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:11:34 PM »

Scatter says;
" Israel administrates the funds( a travesty IMO) that go to Gaza, they do not finance them".
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Hey Scatter;
We should be pleased that there is an adult, freedom loving nation that is willing to babysit these immature, retarded terrorists..

BBF · « **Reply #58 on:** July 08, 2011, 11:19:20 AM »

I don't consider occupation troops as babysitters.
This entire ME situation will not end peacefully.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #59 on:** July 08, 2011, 11:52:49 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on July 07, 2011, 01:11:34 PM

We should be pleased that there is an adult, freedom loving nation that is willing to babysit these immature, retarded terrorists

I'm so glad that most people are so much better than the caricatures that get shopped around here.