Hunt Sunday????? IT'S TIME!!!!!!!!!

[Bingo]

  Folks, I have not seen what I consider a lagitamate arguement against hunting on Sunday on this forum yet.
   If you own the property, you have the right to regulate it any way you want and that includes no hunting on Sunday or no hunting at all.
   I simpiy see no reason to not allow Sunday hunting. It makes the License a better value and in that you may get more hunters (more revinue). It gives Dads more time to spend with their kids passing on the heritage of the outdoors as well as their values. (Lets face a fact, most women could care less about hunting and the outdoor sports especially single moms.)
   More time in the field and more time with kids sounds like a good reason and ralley cry to me.
 
   Oh and lest I forget, Yes you can hunt some things on Sunday, coyote, crow,etc..... But in my house you eat what you shoot and I don't often "eat crow" I try real hard not to be in the WRONG
 
   It is bad enough knowing every left wing anti gun anti hunting waco is going to scream bloody murder in the House and Senate when this bill hits the floor. Do we really need Sportsman standing against it too?
   Don't give the enemy a victory unless you are just luring them in to a trap.
Stand with the people you hunt with. The people who love the woods and fields as much as you do. The people who know the smell of the woods and do the most to preserve nature and the outdoor heritage. The SPORTSMAN. 
    In my opinion to speak out against this bill is to give the enemy a victory.

[BCB]

Bingo,

I disagree with what you say about posting my property against Sunday hunting—I can’t post the adjoining properties…

Much of my activities on my property are within it, but some are very near the edge or the permit boundary lines…

I have a 400-yard shooting range and it is used most every day of the week.  That is to say, I shoot there on any day of the week, but not everyday every week…

I also have a small cabin and it is near 2 property lines.  I go there to kick-back and not listen to shooting (unless I do it at my range—and that is a controlled environment and at my own doing)…

My range is at least ¾ of a mile from the nearest dwelling and the shooting sound is not overwhelming.  Traffic on the local highway is more disturbing…

The range is marked by flagging at the end where access is possible…

A very scary incident occurred during our spring gobbler season a few years back…

I was going to shoot one early spring morning as it was cool and there was not wind.  I place the target at the 100 yard mark and walked back to my bench and shot a nice 5-shot group with my T/C Super 14” in 223 Remington caliber…

Why are these details so clear to me?  When I went to retrieve the target, a turkey hunter in full camo, as could be expected, questioned me as to why I disturbed his calling…

He was sitting about 30 feet from my target.  I gawd damned near passed out.  He saw me set up the target and never even spoke.  Maybe he thought he shouldn’t be there—I don’t know…

This is the kind of stuff that might happen on Sundays also even if the land is posted.  People wonder across lines because they don’t know where they are, and most don’t care where they are…

I say, let’s just have one day where people aren’t wondering all over the place shooting away…

Would you want them shooting at the limit of the Safety Barrier of your house when you might have a family gathering?  I doubt you would…

State Game Lands—maybe…

Just my thoughts…

BCB

[Casull]

BCB, I just don't see any strength in that argument.  The exact same thing could have happened on Monday, Tuesday . . . well, you get the point.

[av-doctor]

   it will be like anything else landowners will just post it NO SUNDAY HUNTING just like many places that have NO DOE HUNTING signs posted, an example my local sportsman club allows hunting but not for doe many of the surrounding properties are the same

[BCB]

Bingo,

You are correct that the “shooting range” incident doesn’t lend much to the argument against Sunday hunting…

I didn’t know the person and he was there.  The land isn’t posted, but that still doesn’t give on the right to just enter at will…

And probably Sunday hunting really has nothing to do with the above 2 paragraphs…

But my statement about not being able to post my neighbors property might have some credence as an argument against Sunday hunting.  If they allow hunting and I don’t wish to have it on Sunday, is can still suffer if some hunt near the property lines…


av-doctor

And this leads to a comment that you made about posting “No Sunday Hunting”…

All well and good if the neighbors do it too…

But, I have nearly ¾ mile of property lines (maybe a bit more if I actually look at the deed maps—not lots of acres, just lots of property lines…

I wonder how much it would cost to purchase posters to place at a reasonable distance apart and for the distance of the ¾ + mile?...

Lots of money at my expense.  And for the most part, I don’t know what the success rate of posters actually has.  People cross them anyhow…

I say try it on State Game lands and see what happens—do it for a couple of years and then evaluate?

No matter which way it goes, I can surely live with it or with out it…

To each his own…

BCB

[Casull]

I say try it on State Game lands and see what happens—do it for a couple of years and then evaluate?

 
BCB, that's already been done for decades in the vast majority of states.  All you need do is look at them.

[BCB]

I say try it on State Game lands and see what happens—do it for a couple of years and then evaluate?

 
BCB, that's already been done for decades in the vast majority of states.  All you need do is look at them.

I didn't know that...
 
Was it good or was it a bad move?...
 
What was the final outcome or is still being evaluated?...
 
Thank...BCB

[Casull]

Couldn't tell you the outcome, since I don't think most of them EVER had any ban on Sunday hunting.  I'm pushing 50 and I've been hunting in Illinois since I was 16, and it was always Sunday hunting.

[av-doctor]

I see your point, whats to keep people from hunting the property line thus you still deal with the disturbance whether you choose to hunt or allow hunting on your property. As for the cost of posting if they want to bad enough they won't care about expense. The problem is policing the posted land either way you'll still be out there sundays chasing people off.

[BCB]

I think the concept of Sunday hunting has been around for some time in the Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania…

I think I remember as a kid in the early 60’s when I was first introduced into hunting, it might have been discussed with the family of hunters I started with…

I think the worry back then was the amazing amount of hunting pressure that was located in some of the State’s “prime” hunting areas…

These areas included some of Clarion, Jefferson, Clearfield, Elk, Cameron, Potter, and Forrest counties, at least in my end of the state…

These areas were loaded with many camps for people who traveled north to the “Big Woods” from the more urban places…

The traffic was unbelievable on highways such as Routes 28, 66, 36, and a few other minor roads…

Traffic would actually be at a standstill at some of the major meeting points for hunters seeking the woods…

Little or no land was posted then so one had the run of the area—so to speak…

I think it was thought that with this type of mass movement of people, it most likely could cause problems—maybe it would have, maybe not…

But, I don’t think there is that type of pressure to day as the season are all broken up and in many small pieces.  Back in the “ol’ days” the seasons were very structured and they were the same every year.  The first day of buck season was the first day of buck season.  Doe season was doe season, etc…

After the 1^st couple of days of deer season, the string of traffic was then in the other direction.  Deer tied to the hood of the cars—2 or sometimes 3.  It was a show watching them if one lived near a main traveled highway…

And, I don’t think there are the hunters today there were back then—I maybe wrong on that…

So, maybe today it might work—again, I don’t know…

Regardless, I doubt the sportsman will really have much say in it one way or the other as can be noted with the fighting about point numbers, the amount to does being harvested, and too many seasons, etc…

Either way, I really don’t have too much concern with it, but I guess I would prefer it to not happen…

Just an opinion and not something I will defend until the “bitter end”…

The rest of my life is too short to fight over such trivial subjects.  Some may understand what I just said…

Good-luck to those who wish to pursue the change in the law…

BCBC

[Graybeard]

To me being an outsider PA's concern over Sunday hunting is quite unwarranted. Almost all the rest of the states allow Sunday hunting and have done so not just for decades but for generations.

To my knowledge there has never been a time in Alabama where ya couldn't hunt on Sunday even back when we had so many Blue Laws that about the only thing you could buy on Sunday was medicine at the drug store. Even tho allowed to open on Sunday they couldn't sell anything else just medicine. Ya couldn't even buy food on Sunday when I was a boy. But ya could hunt.

So how has the "experiment" worked out? The rest of the states have never seen it as an experiment just the way of life. Not that many folks are gonna do it anyway unless they are seriously dedicated hunters or it is the only day or one of only two days they have off each week. It's not the end of the world.

In think in PA the primary resistance is from land owners who prefer to have one day without hunting. I suspect even they would not be against it by the end of the second season it was implemented.

Since I'll likely never hunt in PA it's nothing to me one way or another but from a fellow who has lived all 66 years of his life in a state that allows Sunday hunting it is just not something to get upset over one way or another.

[Bingo]

  OK.... I'll conseed deer season!!! It ant nothing but a yupi pain in the butts to me any way. ( to many people who buy a "Deer gun to go out and kill something" in the woods anyway.
   Lets forget about deer hunting for a minute. Lets look at the people who hunt archery and small game. These are your serious hunters, the ones who are in the woods more than once or twice a season. It is this small group of people that I am an advocate for. These are the ones that will not cross a property line or will ask permission to hunt a piece of property. These are the few who will pass the tradition of ethics and the love of the outdoors on to their kids. These are the Sportsman that would most benifit from Sundat hunting.

[BCB]

  OK.... I'll conseed deer season!!! It ant nothing but a yupi pain in the butts to me any way. ( to many people who buy a "Deer gun to go out and kill something" in the woods anyway.
   Lets forget about deer hunting for a minute. Lets look at the people who hunt archery and small game. These are your serious hunters, the ones who are in the woods more than once or twice a season. It is this small group of people that I am an advocate for. These are the ones that will not cross a property line or will ask permission to hunt a piece of property. These are the few who will pass the tradition of ethics and the love of the outdoors on to their kids. These are the Sportsman that would most benifit from Sundat hunting.

Well, I only hunt deer with a handgun...
 
Shouldn't we handguners have a seperate season also?...
 
See how quickly it can get very complicated?...
 
Go back to the "old ways".  It worked then and it will work again...
 
BCB

[av-doctor]

What (old ways) should we go back to?

[BCB]

Ahhhhhhh, I guess the way it was a long time ago, like 30 years ago or so…

Never any debates about seasons…

No special seasons to amount to anything…

No crying over “No Deer”…

No crying over “Too Many Deer”…

It was just so simple…

Put on a colorful hat and warm clothes and have your licenses pinned on your back, grab a gun and go to the woods…

Simple, wasn’t it?...

The Commish simply tried to please too many people by doing all of the specialty seasons and now it is so damn complicated that it can not be straightened out…

That is my opinion and I really don’t think it has any credibility, but I just like the way it sounds…

(By the way, I am still waiting on a “Handgun Only” season for deer—antlered or doe—no restrictions)…

BCB

[manofthe45]

I am still staying out of this, but being addicted to specialty pistols and single action revolvers I am all for pushing for that handgun season BCB.  Let me know boss and I know some people to talk to.
 
Actually would just like to see handguns shooting a STRAIGHT WALLED CARTRIGE  allowed within the SRA's.  A 41, 44, or 45 isn't going to shoot any farther or be any more of a "danger" than todays rifled sluggun and inlines.

[BCB]

I must admit that I was being a bit facetious when I suggested the “Handgun Only” season—but then again, why not?...

I only hunt with handguns anymore as I shoot right-handed and my right eye is done.  So I can use a handgun right-handed and use my left eye…

(How about a season for people who shoot right-handed, but only can use their left eye?)…

But, in reality, I had an Uncle who used a handgun to hunt deer in the mid-1960’s.  I think it was a 357 Magnum, but I really don’t remember.  He always got laughed at, but hey, he got deer—and he didn’t even hunt on Sunday…

He would always hunt antlered with the family and if he was lucky enough to get doe license, most did not who applied back then, he would hunt by himself…

I can remember him sitting along an edge of a corn field or in an old abandoned orchard and he shot a good many deer, doe included.  Still no Sunday hunting was required…

Oh by the way, he worked for a living too and didn’t have much time to hunt either…

I guess I consider hunting more of an enjoyable day, rather than “I just gotta kill something”…

I know a person who simply has to kill something every day.  And I mean that the way it reads.  I guess there are seasons, even on Sunday and he hunts every day.  He is the guy who says, “I know there is ONE more deer in that 10-acre wooded area.  I’m gonna get it”.  And you know what, he will hunt until he gets it.  Almost pitiful in a true sense as to what hunting is all about.  He is just plainly and simply a killer.  He thrives on death…

But, back to the handguns.  I hunt with a T/C Contender in 7-30 Waters.  I have a sling for it and it hangs from my shoulder.  I also holster a Ruger Blackhawk 45 LC and I carry it also.  If I am in the brush, the T/C remains at the cabin, if I am in or near an open area, the Waters is with me and the Ruger is at the cabin…

I just enjoy the day…

Just walk and observe nature.  Never is there a day that I don’t see something new.  Witch-Hazel blooms in very late fall—strange, isn’t it?  I would bet that most hunters have never seen Witch-Hazel blooming…

Nope, not a namby-pamby here, but just a person who enjoys hunting, but enjoys it maybe for different reasons than, “let’s kill ‘em all”.  So, give those that extra day to help accomplish that…

Enjoy the sport and the day in the field…

BCB

[Bingo]

   I don't know if I should be happy or unhappy about this, but I spoke to a State Senator a few days ago and the motion has been tabled for a while. The were just to many other things going on to fit this piece of leguslation in at the last sesson. It may come up for a vote in the fall.