Author Topic: 22/06 rifle build (Read 3725 times)

purpledragon · « **on:** July 05, 2011, 05:52:21 PM »

I am going to build a 22/06 this fall.I would like any input that I can get.I will be using 40gr.GS Custom bullets.I figure a 1 in 14 twist and 28"bbl from Pacnor,I am going to use a rem.700 action that is now a .270.RCBS says they can provide the dies,for loading and forming..........

Wyo. Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2011, 06:02:50 AM »

PB, the caliber you are looking at is way ov er bore..I think you will b e sorry to have this built and then find you don't get the speeds you are hoping for and also find the barrel will probably wash out in a short time..I am not sure what you are looking to do with this caliber, but if I were in your shoes, and wanted something different, I would check out the .22-250 Ackley Imp..or the good old .220 Swift..I have two Swifts and just love'em...they are a coyote killing machine..For a time I had a .22 Cheetah...it was the most accurate rifle I have had, but after 1200 rds. the throat was pretty bad..sold it to a friend for the price of the action..I didn't have a crony then, but it was faster than my Swift, but not bythat much...but I didn't get to check it out completely..it was the best chuck killer I ever owned...I am pretty certain even with modern powders, you will be disappointed in a .22-06...... $:-\$

roper · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2011, 08:35:43 AM »

Quote from: purpledragon on July 05, 2011, 05:52:21 PM

I am going to build a 22/06 this fall.I would like any input that I can get.I will be using 40gr.GS Custom bullets.I figure a 1 in 14 twist and 28"bbl from Pacnor,I am going to use a rem.700 action that is now a .270.RCBS says they can provide the dies,for loading and forming..........

Since Pac-Nor has the reamer for the 22/06 have you talked to them? Here is another site that may help you should be able to use 22/284 loading data http://www.saubier.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6078&page=2

purpledragon · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:14:38 AM »

Roper,thanks for the the info........
WCH, don't worry about the overbore and barrel life,I will only shoot the GS Custom bullets in it.I have a 7mm STW that I shoot the GS customs only in it since new.I get 3500+ with their 140gr.,and I also shoot their 116gr. both are their HV bullet.I am not going to say what the velocity is I get with the 116's as I have been all but called a liar on the 3500+ on the 140's.These GS Custom bullets are very expensive to get here to the states,but are well worth it.By their design they are merely bore riding which equals less friction,more speed,and mostly less pressure.Go to the site and check them out your self,also read the article on the 22X64 he did..............

pastorp · « **Reply #4 on:** July 07, 2011, 05:53:22 AM »

Ah, purpledragon, another solution to a non existant problem.

A friend of mine is the US distributor for the GSC bullets. They sound real good if you read the mfg. hype.
What you gona shoot with that gun?

Regards,

purpledragon · « **Reply #5 on:** July 07, 2011, 07:57:25 AM »

I am going to use it for coyote and some whitetail shots in the head.I had a .220 swift, great round.I have always wanted to build a large cased .22,so I am.If you would give me your friends contact info I will order from him if I will get my bullets faster than from over seas.

huntswithdogs · « **Reply #6 on:** July 08, 2011, 06:46:55 AM »

I seem to remember a few articles, awhile back, about a guy trying to get a 22/06 and a 6mm/06 to shoot. It may have been Guns and Ammo? Anyhoo, he was having problems with the barrel throats and fouling. Maybe it was that bullets hadn't been developed that would/could take what was happening behind them when that large amount of powder was lit off.
Might be an interesting adventure! Hope it turns out like ya want it to.

HWD

swifty22 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2011, 06:39:05 PM »

There is a newsstand mag. from rifle/handloader out currently with an article on the 223 WSSM. It has the same speeds as the 22/6mm Rem. I have had Ruger 77V Swift's since they first came out in about 1971 and will never be without a Swift. (PERIOD!) However if I were going to start out new I would get a Savage w/a bolt head for the 223 WSSM, make it a single shot and get a Sharp Shooters Supply barrel and a sporter weight stock and use a fast twist medium sporter 26" barrel. My guess is that cases would be about the same price as the Swift (Pricey!), last longer (heavier) and give at least the same vel. I have always wanted a 6mm/06 however I have a WIN. Mod. 70 Classic Sporter in 25/06 and it will do all a 6mm/06 will do w/ 60-110 gr bullets or a bit more w/cheap cases so I never did that but I do have a 6mm/Swift cause I went nuts in Montana for a couple of days on gophers w a 220 Swift and "burrrint it oouut" bad. Had it rebored to the 6mm/Swift but probably should have had it also rechambered to 6MM Rem. but I am cheap. I see your desire for the 22/06 but the cost of the dies is probably a decent chunk of the 223 wssm bbl. NUTHIN kills coyotes as well as a REALLY FAST .22! My 2 cents-Muddy

tat438 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2011, 02:47:12 AM »

Quote from: huntswithdogs on July 08, 2011, 06:46:55 AM

I seem to remember a few articles, awhile back, about a guy trying to get a 22/06 and a 6mm/06 to shoot. It may have been Guns and Ammo? Anyhoo, he was having problems with the barrel throats and fouling. Maybe it was that bullets hadn't been developed that would/could take what was happening behind them when that large amount of powder was lit off.
Might be an interesting adventure! Hope it turns out like ya want it to.

HWD

HWD,

I remember this article as well. I believe he had named the cartridge the 6mm Mach IV. I think the article mentioned the barrels ended up with a hard coating almost like ceramic on the inside. I also remeber the barrel was only good for a thousand rounds or so. It was a Super fast cartridge though!

Tommy

LunaticFringeInc · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2011, 03:50:42 AM »

I have a 224 TTH and used a 28 inch barrel on it and was able to get 80gr bullets out the muzzle at 3500-3600 fps. Looks like the 22/06 should be able to do the same. Its not the most practical gun I have but it makes for a great Coyote rifle.

Catfish · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2011, 07:33:22 AM »

LunaticFringeInk,
What load are you useing and what twist is your rifle. I also have 1 with an 8 twist. I shot the throught out at about 1,000 rounds and had it rechambered and now have a spare barrel ready to go on when it goes again. The only time I ever shot a group at 600 yrds. I got just under 2 in. Thr problem with mine is that the only powder it shoots like that with, that I have found, is H-870 and a case full only gets about 3,200 fps. Those 80 gr. Sierra match bullets leave great big holes in coyotes. As for shooting lite bullets in something like this, I think is a waist of time. They just don`t have enough BC to get good accuracy at long ranges. The wind effect them to much.

nomosendero · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2011, 08:22:25 AM »

Quote from: LunaticFringeInc on July 21, 2011, 03:50:42 AM

I have a 224 TTH and used a 28 inch barrel on it and was able to get 80gr bullets out the muzzle at 3500-3600 fps. Looks like the 22/06 should be able to do the same. Its not the most practical gun I have but it makes for a great Coyote rifle.

The 224TTH makes alot more sense than a 22-06 for obvious reasons

charles p · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2011, 02:00:59 PM »

Gunsmith friend of mine built a 25STW which is way overbore. I took him to my hunting club for some long range doe shooting. He took two, but the range was only about 150 yards. Neither was a clean kill. Bullets were Berger. Rifle was way too heavy to be fun. To each his own.

3leggedturtle · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2011, 01:02:47 PM »

If thats what you want to build, do it. Either way i would like to know your results. I've a a few itches i needed to scratch. Was glad i did. Besides you have cheap, strong brass that is easy to get anywhere. If it dont work you can always rebarrel to something else. 3leg

Drilling Man · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2011, 02:05:29 PM »

Quote from: purpledragon on July 06, 2011, 09:14:38 AM

Roper,thanks for the the info........
WCH, don't worry about the overbore and barrel life,I will only shoot the GS Custom bullets in it.I have a 7mm STW that I shoot the GS customs only in it since new.I get 3500+ with their 140gr.,and I also shoot their 116gr. both are their HV bullet.I am not going to say what the velocity is I get with the 116's as I have been all but called a liar on the 3500+ on the 140's.These GS Custom bullets are very expensive to get here to the states,but are well worth it.By their design they are merely bore riding which equals less friction,more speed,and mostly less pressure.Go to the site and check them out your self,also read the article on the 22X64 he did..............

It doesn't matter what bullet you use, it's the powder that eats up the bbl... Overbore = lots of powder going through too small a hole, and that = short bbl. life...

DM

roper · « **Reply #15 on:** July 28, 2011, 10:00:29 PM »

Quote from: purpledragon on July 06, 2011, 09:14:38 AM

Roper,thanks for the the info........
WCH, don't worry about the overbore and barrel life,I will only shoot the GS Custom bullets in it.I have a 7mm STW that I shoot the GS customs only in it since new.I get 3500+ with their 140gr.,and I also shoot their 116gr. both are their HV bullet.I am not going to say what the velocity is I get with the 116's as I have been all but called a liar on the 3500+ on the 140's.These GS Custom bullets are very expensive to get here to the states,but are well worth it.By their design they are merely bore riding which equals less friction,more speed,and mostly less pressure.Go to the site and check them out your self,also read the article on the 22X64 he did..............

Last year I e-mail GS custom bullets about a project alot of good infromation from them. I did read the article on the 22x64(22/06) very interesting and they gave reloading data so that helps. Most of the guys I know that shoot the GS bullets get the velocity their claiming and you know that also. Bullet are changing Matrix is making VLD 165/175gr for the 270 now and you got Cutting Edge bullets http://site.cuttingedgebullets.com/pages/reloading_instructions.

I've said this before bullet/barrels getting better all the time. Wish you luck

RevJim · « **Reply #16 on:** August 02, 2011, 03:11:21 AM »

I had a .224TTH barrel on my Kimber 84M for a few years. It was a 27", 1/8 twist, 3 groove Lilja. I shot it sparingly, got 3700 with the Swift 75 Scirocco/ 3750 with 64PP. It's still in good shape, but doubt its had more than 300rds through it. Very flat shooter. I used R22 exclusively. I now use another rifle in 22/250 AI (also 1/8) with the Hornady 68 Match for I want a big 22 to do. I am sure you have figured in the fact that barrel life will be short, but that could take you weeks or years, depending upon how you use it. I think a fast twist is the way to go with a hot .22, especially with the 64 and up bullet weights, they just seem to kill better. I believe the higher rotation is a factor. I know, with the 22/250 AI above, a solid hit on a PD makes them go high in the air, spinning to the right! ha. Even a 1/9 will owrk with your 22/30.06. BTW, isn't the .220 Hawk just a 22/30.06 itself?
Anyhow, good luck in your endeavor, I enjoyed my 224 TTH experience, but I wanted the 7mm08 bbl back on the Kimber, plus, the 22/250 AI shoots factory loads well ( it's how I fireform my brass too).

Barstooler · « **Reply #17 on:** August 03, 2011, 04:08:46 PM »

If you are dead set on going with an overbore cartridge like the 22-06 at least get it built with a barrel with a twist rate that can handle the heaviest/longest 22 cal (match and hunting) bullets.

Barstooler

purpledragon · « **Reply #18 on:** August 25, 2011, 10:44:12 AM »

Thanks for the cutting edge bullet site roper. I am going with a 32" pac-nor bbl with a 16 twist to shoot 52gr. and lighter bullets mainly 35 and 40 at blistering speed.It will be spring before it is finished but I will post results.......

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #19 on:** August 25, 2011, 11:04:27 AM »

22-308 might be a better choice but it will still eat a bbl up. A gun smith friend built them. He would install the bbl long shoot it a hundred or so times remove the bbl cut it off re thread and chamber the opposite end and re install. Said it made the most accurate rifle that way. Called it a 22 cheeta . Got well over 4000 FPS out of it according to him. It would blow a ground hog up . After building several he went to a 22-250 .

purpledragon · « **Reply #20 on:** August 25, 2011, 12:50:11 PM »

The 22/243 Milstead is about what your describing I guess unless the 22/308 has a different shoulder.Actually that is probably the most sensible big case 22,but I have a bad habit of going to the extreme.After I finish this one I am going to have Kirby Allen do a .338AM for me.I will never shoot the barrel out of any of my rifles,but I'm sure the grandson will try..............