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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2011, 07:41:34 PM »
Oil spill blah blah, deforestation blah blah, plow the virgin prairies blah blah, dam the rivers blah blah.
 
Not a man jack of the enviro geeks has not benefitted personally from these heinous acts. I will go so far as to say these heinous acts have directly enabled them to have the time time to sit around wringing their hands over global destruction. The ones sitting in caves naked and shivering are dang few and far between. Solar power, windpower, sustainable gorp production, all brought to you by modern man / men, using modern tools, thoughts, logic, and procceses courtesy of this wanton destruction. These dopes have nothing to offer society beyond thoughtful thoughts, and feelings.
 
Puts me of a mind to fry a spotted owl in lard rendered from baby seals.
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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2011, 02:04:14 AM »
Now now you guys quit presenting fact. The liberal parasite treetards are only given talking points they must email and receive a reply before they can answer back.
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   It is amazing how quickly many lefties run out of ammo in a simple debate and start the name-calling, or start spinning repeatedly in the same mud puddle.
  You have nailed it...they can only regurgitae the 'talking points' they have provided and if they start running low on ammo, they must take a break, to scurry back to the 'ammo store' for more. 
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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2011, 02:09:02 AM »
Oil spill blah blah, deforestation blah blah, plow the virgin prairies blah blah, dam the rivers blah blah.
 
Not a man jack of the enviro geeks has not benefitted personally from these heinous acts. I will go so far as to say these heinous acts have directly enabled them to have the time time to sit around wringing their hands over global destruction. The ones sitting in caves naked and shivering are dang few and far between. Solar power, windpower, sustainable gorp production, all brought to you by modern man / men, using modern tools, thoughts, logic, and procceses courtesy of this wanton destruction. These dopes have nothing to offer society beyond thoughtful thoughts, and feelings.
 
Puts me of a mind to fry a spotted owl in lard rendered from baby seals.
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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2011, 02:55:28 AM »
Quote from Ironglow:
It is amazing how quickly many lefties run out of ammo in a simple debate and start the name-calling, or start spinning repeatedly in the same mud puddle.
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Just have to look at the responses in this thread to see repeated examples of the above except the responses are from righties, not lefties.


By the way:
http://www.afsc.noaa.gov/quarterly/jas2001/feature_jas01.htm 
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008912109_exxonherring24m.html
http://www.silenceinthesound.com/exxon-valdez-oil-spill-workers-vs-exxon/
http://hubpages.com/hub/the-valdez-oil-spill
I can do my own research, it is not too difficult and I don't even need my sources filtered first by Fox, Rush and Glen.


No one has responded to my question of how you would like an oil spill on your own property.


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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2011, 02:56:14 AM »

Puts me of a mind to fry a spotted owl in lard rendered from baby seals.

Love that line!  ;D
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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2011, 05:23:34 AM »
Guzzijohn, we had an oil spill on our property down in Texas when I was a teen (busted pipeline).  The oil company came out, dug up the line, repaired it and buried it again.  A couple of years later we couldn't even tell anything had happened.  Grass and small trees grew back and everything returned to normal.  Crude oil in a natural substance and nature has a way to deal with it.
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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2011, 10:22:20 AM »
Quote from Ironglow:
It is amazing how quickly many lefties run out of ammo in a simple debate and start the name-calling, or start spinning repeatedly in the same mud puddle.
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Just have to look at the responses in this thread to see repeated examples of the above except the responses are from righties, not lefties.


By the way:
http://www.afsc.noaa.gov/quarterly/jas2001/feature_jas01.htm 
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008912109_exxonherring24m.html
http://www.silenceinthesound.com/exxon-valdez-oil-spill-workers-vs-exxon/
http://hubpages.com/hub/the-valdez-oil-spill
I can do my own research, it is not too difficult and I don't even need my sources filtered first by Fox, Rush and Glen.


No one has responded to my question of how you would like an oil spill on your own property.


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GuzziJohn, The NOAA is a federal government agency. The Seattle Times could probably rival the NY Times in dripping with liberalism. The Silence in the Sound was written by a liberal feminist, and not much info on Ryankett , but I have a good guess that he is more of the same. Environmentalists all think the same.

I'm guessing that no one wants an oil spill on their property, nor anywhere else for that matter. If one did happen on my property. It would get cleaned up and life would go on. So what is your point.
When we use as much oil as we do accidents are going to happen, because man is not perfect in keeping accidents from happening. Just look at auto accidents, as proof. Actually not many accidents happen with oil, compared to the amount that is transported.
What do you propose we do? Quit extracting, refining, transporting, and using oil? Do you want government to ration it, or do you want government to outlaw gas powered engines, and everything that is made with petrochemicals? Or maybe have the EPA continue to put harsher and harsher restrictions on clean air standards to the point where you won't be able to afford a gasoline engine.

I'm all for continuing to use oil, and doing the best we can to avoid oil spills, which is what is being done. Again man is not perfect.
There was one perfect being in the flesh here on earth, and his name was Jesus. When he returns we won't have to worry about spilled oil anymore. In fact if you are right with Him, you will have no worries, and there will be no more death, sorrow, crying, or pain.  ;D     
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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2011, 06:32:39 PM »
Fine, as long as this stuff does not happen. Another beautiful area possibly ruined  by pipeline leak:


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You drive a car, have a pc, use oil on your firearm, own anything plastic? It all comes from oil. Oil has been in the water since the Dinosaur days.

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« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2011, 07:33:52 PM »
This did not amount to any big disaster.  It made a fill in for a slow news day.  How in the Hell can this country ever get back to work.  We have decided that we do not want to take any risk. This nation was developed by a nation of risk takers. This nation is being by destroyed by people who are afraid of ever accident that they can imagine.  They demand that mice be removed from their cities. But if that same mouse is endangered by a coal mine or oil field, they must be shut down. There is more pollution washed from interstate highways every day by rain storms than any oil spill can create. Anyone want to close the nations highways??  Woops, maybe not a good question.  ???

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« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2011, 02:03:20 AM »
Guzzi says;
  " No one has responded to my question of how you would like an oil spill on your own property".
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  Guzzi.. the reason nobody has answered that question, is because, pardon me...a dumb question.  Now, I'm not calling you dumb, I actually think you're a pretty bright guy...it's just THAT question..
  Naturally, nobody wants unnecessary spills on their property, be it oil, corn, molasses, iron filings or Maple syrup.
   
  As far as that "silence in the Sound" stuff goes, I just view it as another eco-freakie, trying to cash in on having visited the spot.  Perhaps you did not see my earlier post where I explained my brother was considering the purchase of an old cannery site on PW Sound...
   He and the locals were in agreement that just a few short years after that tragic spill, the sound had self-cleaned in the way it was designed to do.  The only part still messed up at that time...was where the eco-freakies had messed around.
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« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2011, 06:49:05 AM »
Guzzi:  and everyone else.  The Trans Alaska Oil Pipeline runs aprox. 350 yards behind my house.  While I don't want a leak to occur.  If one did Aleyeska would clean it up.  But in my own little swamp between there I have oil floating on the top of the water.  It's naturally occuring, and I cannot do anything about it except fill in the swamp.  If one walks across the floating vegitation methane gas will burp to the top.  That's in my yard, just behind my house.  Not hurting a thing.  I live with it every day, so what.  Wildlife abounds there and are not affected one bit.  The Geese and ducks avoid the oily sections, but the moose wade right through the middle of it all.  Moose stop to eat the floating grasses with methane bubbling up all around them.  "Glad they don't smoke".
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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2011, 06:52:06 AM »
Methane is natural gas.  You also pass it when you eat too many beans. 

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« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2011, 09:12:36 AM »
Methane is natural gas.  You also pass it when you eat too many beans.

Crude oil is natural too, it is the result of millions of years of decayed plant and animal remains.

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« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2011, 09:43:10 AM »
Crude can be refined and made into toxix products, but in its natural form, it can be degraded by bacteria.  Natural is 97% methane and 3% air of various compounds.  Methane being lighter than air will rise to the upper atmosphere if it leaks.  It is made by bacteria in old plant life that rotted or in your digestive system.  Crude by pressure.  They have taken sewage and fed it to bacteria and made methane, and they have taken it and squeezed it under high pressure and made crude oil.  It is just not yet cost effective to make it from sewage.  They took two large feed stalls in Oklahoma several years ago and put the cow manure into covered pools and made methane.  It produced enough natural gas to supply 700-800 homes.  Only problem is it cost twice what drilling costs.  However we do have enough dairy farms and feed stalls in America to provide all the residential gas indefinately.  Algae has been made into oil, but it also costs about twice as much as drilling yet we could supply all of our oil from algae greenhouses covering an area the size of Rhode Island.  Right now, drilling is cheaper. 

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« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2011, 03:48:44 AM »
Right now, drilling is cheaper.


That my friends is the answer to the entire alternate energy scam.
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« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2011, 05:24:47 AM »
I work for a natural gas company.  We have studied all these alternatives.  Once several years ago, we drilled into the Birmingham landfill, tapped the natural gas from it and piped it into Birmingham.  It was only 5 psi coming out of the ground, but usable.  It played out about 5 years later.  We have studied replacing natural gas in pipelines with hydrogen gas.  It would work, but hydrogen doesn't burn with color.  You can't see it burn, so, every burner tip would have to have a steel wool plate installed to glow red to show it is burning.  We have a seaweed that grows 6' per day.  It can be grown in bays and in shallow offshore underwater farms.  It can be harvested and put in a methane digester and can make natural gas using bacteria like the manure.  We have lots of alternatives, and we will use them when it is cost effective.  That is the capitalist system.  Any alternative fuel will eventually come on line when the cost of existing fossil fuels catches up and/or the cost of the alternative comes down.  Oil in the 20th century replaced coal of the 19th century which replaced firewood of the 18th century and before.  I predict if liberals don't interfere, that eventually nuclear, wind, and solar will overtake coal for power production, but it will be 50-100 years from now.  I also predict that manure derived natural gas or natural gas hydrogen blend will replace the existing natural gas in 50-100 years.  Not right now.  Oil will be the first fossil fuel to go out, and I predict algae oil will replace this, again in 50-100 years.  If the government would just let capitalism follow its normal course and stay out of the way, alternatives will come on line. 
 
The reason we will not get away from oil and natural gas is two fold.
1) The trillions of dollars worth of pipelines and mains that have been installed the last 150 years.  (infrastructure)
2) Synthetic alternatives can be used in this infrastructure.
 
The reason wind power isn't coming on line as fast, is the power transmission lines are not there to transmit the power from the plains states east and west to were the people are.  It will take years to install.  They were going to install windmills off Cape Cod and the people of Mass voted against it, so they are importing fuel oil to operate a new fuel oil powered generating plant.  Hmmm.  Same in Delaware.  Delaware could have had enough windmills installed to power the whole state, and it was voted down. 
 
Nuclear power is being held up, not so much for safety reasons, but the EPA. 
 
Natural gas fracking of rock over 8,000' is being held up by the EPA for a few minor problems.  Also, pipelines in Alaska to bring the natural gas back to the lower 48 are being held up by EPA.  (natural gas operates under pressure and is not a liquid, just the gas has to be warmed occationally to keep the equipment from icing and this might damage the permafrost?)
 
Coal will become more expensive as they have to scrub it and filter it so it doesn't pollute the air.  The also want to trap the carbon underground. 
 
Environmental wackos are keeping new supplies of oil and gas from being produced within our own country AND they are voting against windmills to replace old coal or fuel oil power plants. 
 
Right now 1/3 of our natural gas in Alabama is used to produce electricity in the summertime to handle air condition peek demand.  20-25% is nuclear powered.  About 50% is coal fired year round.  Only about 10% is hydropower. 
 
Ok liberals where are the cost effective alternatives?  And why are you against alternatives that are available yet vote against them? 
 
New homes built today use about 1/3 less natural gas than 30-40 years ago, and older homes have put in new equipment.  A natural gas furnace made in the mid 1970's got about 60-65% efficiency.  The worst furnace today is 80%, will you can get as high as 97%.  A tankless natural gas water heater uses half the gas of a tank type.  Pilotless ovens and cooktops use about 10% less gas, just because they eliminated the standing pilot lights. 
 
There is only so far cost effective efficiency can go, then you have to produce more fuel. 
 
 
 
 

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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2011, 11:32:46 AM »
Ya got cracks in the ocean floor where oil pours out every minute of every day....some things just are what they are, and I never saw anyone scrambling around to plug up the ocean floor...all natural stuff.  Now it ain't a great thing if it's bubbling up under your house, cept if ya can sell it.....but life is life, and oil is bio degradable, comes from the ground, it can go back there too.  Now that being said, yep, if your drilling for it you want To be carefull not to mess stuff up around ya, but accidents will happen with everything, oil, electricity, nuclear, and even if your bug spray outfit springs a leak. Somehow I don't think sitting in a chair and not ever moving for fear of an accident works out so great either.  People just have to learn as they go along, and fix things as they break.  It will always be that way no matter what we do.
 
 

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« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2011, 09:17:16 AM »
jimster:  You are right, but some people just refuse to accept that.  Too bad.
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« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2011, 09:25:15 AM »
Hey guys; the liberals themselves, screw up more things in this world than all the oil spills, forest fires, floods and earthquakes combined !  ;) ;D :D ;D :'(
Hey if they quit recycling look at the cost savings ( you do know its seldom cost effective  ) . Just bury it so it can be mined later when it will work. Its called the green movement because a few rake in the green cash.
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« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2011, 10:21:45 AM »
I just found 24 diesel engines from Soviet era tanks. I've got a pair of them working in tandem to serve as a dedicted pencil sharpener. Am working on a second to do only capuccino frothing. Got projects on the drawing board for the rest. Every time I sharpen a pencil uses about 2 gallons of diesel minimum, but if I've got a lot of notes to jot down, I'll just keep them running for a few days until I'm not as busy.

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« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2011, 11:02:54 AM »
Much of the Yellowstone river is far from scenic. Most of it is muddy water running through flat monotonous country. I never like any oil spill, but using the name Yellowstone to evoke a pristine place is probably just manipulation in this case.
 
In any case, accidents happen and that's the price we pay. I'm a lot more concerned about the runoff from a city than I am about a minor spill like this. The runoff is truly harmful and durable. The oil spills like this are localized and usually have no long lasting effects.
 
 

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« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2011, 11:05:38 AM »
Yep here the sewage tret. plant still dumps raw sewage at high flow times.
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« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2011, 03:41:50 PM »
OOPS, British Patrolium just spilled 4200 gals of Methanol on the North Slope.  No other news yet, other than it is on a gravel pad.  The attitude of Alaskans, Ho Hum, BP did it again, make them clean it up then fine um. 
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« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2011, 05:05:16 AM »
The News channels are reporting that up to 40,000 gallons of oil may have been spilled. That is less than a single railroad tanker car hauls.  Sounds more like Media Hype than the end of the world.


That's also less oil than was burned by Air Force 2 to carry Mrs O and entourage to Europe and back for her recent two week vacation.


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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #54 on: July 20, 2011, 08:15:06 PM »
OOPS, British Patrolium just spilled 4200 gals of Methanol on the North Slope.  No other news yet, other than it is on a gravel pad.  The attitude of Alaskans, Ho Hum, BP did it again, make them clean it up then fine um.

 Methanol is wood alcohol it will just evaporate in a couple days anyway

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« Reply #55 on: July 20, 2011, 10:52:31 PM »
Ohh yeah he's a pinko for sure because he hates seeing pristine landscape succumb to massive oil spills ya jerk. The perfect solution may not be attainable but, there are some far better than crude oil but, hey man who cares if there's no places untouched by pollution and trash for my grandkids to enjoy. No big deal not like we have a responsibility to care for the earth that god gave us.

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« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2011, 03:23:30 AM »
What is better and cheaper than crude or natural gas right now?  What?  200,000,000 vehicles in America all ran by gasoline or diesel.  Natural gas is a viable alternative, but will take time for people to accept.  Lots of cities and utilities are running natural gas right now.  HOWEVER, to get it we must fracture rock about 8,000' deep to release the 200 year supply we have. 
 
Electric isn't a viable alternative. Cost of vehicles, length of time to recharge, need more power plants to provide enough electricity.  Either nuclear or coal. 
 
Hydrogen costs more electricity to make it.  More nuclear or coal.  No infrastructure for hydrogen for all the vehicles we have. 
 
People in small towns and rural areas can't use public transportation.  Not available because of having to RAISE TAXES to pay for it. 
 
Come up with a viable alternative that you can hop in your vehicle and drive across country, refill or recharge in less than 15 minutes, and cost as much as a gasoline or diesel vehicle.  Natural gas is the only viable alternative.  Only problem is getting the stations to install the compressors for refueling.  It is widely available and the pipeline infrastructure is in place in 90% of America except widely scattered western areas. 
 
It takes care and responsiblity by the drillers and pipeline operators to keep it clean and contained.  In everything we do, there will be accidents.  Most of the time the country runs pretty well without a lot of accidents.  They are blown out of porportion. 

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« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2011, 05:54:09 AM »
I'm glad there is a lot of development new kinds of car propulsion and new fuels. It's about time. And research in this area is one of the few cases where pumping billions in federal dollars into research can actually have a big payoff later. I'd like to see them focus on a good strategy for clean, safe nuclear. At least we've got some progress now. Good to see that some of the new alternatives make good use of existing infrastructure, such as incorporating bio diesel into diesel fuel. Currently the percentage is 2 to 10 percent. That's a significant amount.

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« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2011, 05:59:27 AM »
If we leave every thing so good for the next generation they will have no struggles and sit around and become worthless. Use up the oil and leave them a challenge ........
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« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2011, 06:12:59 AM »
Ohh yeah he's a pinko for sure because he hates seeing pristine landscape succumb to massive oil spills ya jerk. The perfect solution may not be attainable but, there are some far better than crude oil but, hey man who cares if there's no places untouched by pollution and trash for my grandkids to enjoy. No big deal not like we have a responsibility to care for the earth that god gave us.
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  Uh Jake...did the sky start falling just yesterday..or was it the day before.  How do yuou manage to live in this world without the use of plane, train or automobile, clothing and plastics from petro-chemicals..how about the case holding the computer you typed your post on ?  I have often how the eco-freaks live in a modern world without touching any kind of petroleum.  On the other hand, if they do drive a car, mow their lawn or eat farm produced food or use any kind of petrochemical (includes most drugs and pills)..why are they lecturing the rest of us ?
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)