For all you oil drilling lovers

[guzzijohn]

Fine, as long as this stuff does not happen. Another beautiful area possibly ruined  by pipeline leak:


LAUREL, Mont. —Crews cleaning up an oil spill on the Yellowstone River faced difficult conditions Tuesday as the scenic waterway rose above flood stage and stoked fears that surging currents could push crude into undamaged areas and back channels vital to the river's prized fishery.
Conditions on the swollen Yellowstone have hampered efforts to find the cause of Friday's break in the 12-inch pipeline that spilled an estimated 1,000 barrels of crude oil.
The river has been flowing too swiftly for crews to reach some oiled areas, and forecasters said mountain snowmelt was adding to high water levels. Officials speculated that the surge may push oil into areas that haven't yet been damaged.
Much of the riverbank also is covered with dense underbrush, making it difficult to walk the shoreline. Most observations have been made through aerial flights.
Sweat-drenched workers in hazmat suits and life preservers slogged through the riverside vegetation under a blistering sun. Some raked oily muck into trash bags; others dabbed at blackened grass with absorbent pads.
Booms to collect the oil bobbed in water, and plastic kiddie pools were set up for workers to wash off their boots once they left the water.
A few miles downriver from the broken pipe, homeowner Robert Castleberry said he had been out of his house since Saturday because of dangerous fumes from oil that the river pushed across his yard and into the crawlspace beneath his house.
Castleberry's wife suffers from heart disease and the fumes gave her difficulty breathing, he said. While he appreciated the company promising to cover the couple's immediate expenses, the retired fuel truck driver was doubtful workers would be able to clean up the black, gooey film that laced through the underbrush along the river.
"Exxon's been nothing but 100 percent with us," he said. "But when you get into brush that thick, that's going to be virtually impossible to clean."
Company and federal officials said they have seen oil only about 25 miles downstream from the site of the break near Laurel. But Gov. Brian Schweitzer said he believes some has traveled hundreds of miles to North Dakota.
Representatives of Exxon Mobil and the Environmental Protection Agency said they had no reports of oil beyond the town of Huntley.
Company officials said they were concentrating cleanup in that area, but have acknowledged the scope of the leak could extend beyond the 10-mile stretch that they initially said was the most affected area.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/07/06/1922363/high-water-worsens-yellowstone.html#ixzz1RK86GfuQ

GuzziJohn

[beerbelly]

 So what? We had the great gulf oil spill that was suppose to end the world as we know it, according to you pinko's! Guess what? The gulf is back to normal! Mother nature creates havoc all the time, volcano eruptions, hurricanes, earth quakes and on and on. But the earth repairs it's self every time. Oil seeps from the bottom of the ocean and out of the ground all the time.

[guzzijohn]

You really think the gulf is like it was before the spill? There is still problems from the Valdez incident and how many years ago was that?
GuzziJohn

[magooch]

So let's hear the alternative to oil.  Oil drilling is one thing and oil piping is another.  Exactly what energy form is going to be so perfect that it has no chance of setting off some kind of disaster?
And why haven't the anti-energy folks pooled their money and come up with that "perfect energy?"  Also, why are the anti-everything folks still using that nasty old oil?

[powderman]

guzzi. It was a pipeline, not  an oil rig. Your obamination sent the oil rigs to Brazil, remember?? POWDERMAN. 

[mcwoodduck]

guzzi. It was a pipeline, not  an oil rig. Your obamination sent the oil rigs to Brazil, remember?? POWDERMAN. 

No kidding. 
What has me baffeled is why do the green Commies think that some other country can do a better job of extracting natural resources than US companies?  US companies will do it safer to the worker, will do it safer to the enviroment, and will cost less for the consumer.  Countirs that are unanswerable to people like Saudi Arabia, Venezula, and China are Horrible on the enviroment.  Then again you look at the Green movement and the so called leaders do not live with they preach.  Al Gore still flys in large private jets, Has multiple houses that are empty all over the planet, Drives in large motorcades with huge staffs.  Yea Yea the Secret service, Ronald Reagan did not have the motorcade that Gore has, and he was A- President and B the left hated him and wanted him dead.
Think Globaly act locally does not mean to push all production (of everything) out of my back yard and somewhere else where I can not see it.  It means think of what will be the best use of those resources and employing them.  Free markets and capitalism are the best way to acheive that.   

[Swampman]

Drill baby drill!

[Shu]

I will gladly give up petroleum products when there is a suitable replacement. Until then we are stuck with it.

[Dixie Dude]

There are over 175 million cars and trucks in America.  Infrastructure is in place for gasoline and diesel.  The only readily available viable alternative is compressed natural gas.  The infrastructure is in place in eastern US.  All service stations have to do is have a tap on a local gas main and install a compressor station to fuel vehicles.  Fleets would benefit the most.  Natural gas is about $1.85 per gallon equivelant energy to gasoline.  That being said, we can also make synthetic diesel from coal.  We have about a 200 year supply of natural gas and an 800 year supply of coal. 
 
Why are we using imported oil?  It is because of government regulations, restrictions, and meddling.  Government restricts drilling.  Government uses the Environmental Protection Agency to REGULATE lots of things, even installing gas mains in new subdivisions, every creek crossing, even if we are boring under the creek 15' deep.  Mountains of paperwork just to install over 1,000' of gas main in dedicated street and highway right-of-ways.  GPS cordinates, maps, description of what we are doing.  Discription of trenching, backhoeing, boring methods, clean up methods, how we are going to install silt screens, hay bales, sod, seed, rip-rap, etc, etc.  Every single job. 
 
I know it must be a pain for the oil and gas companies to drill, or for the coal companies to dig.  Common sense and pragmatism must be used or else we are going to destroy ourselves and our economy.  Windmills are bad for the birds.  Solar is bad for the animals underneath the solar panels.  Coal is bad for producing electricity, natural gas is bad for producing electricity because we might run out.  Nuclear is bad because of potential radiation.  So what is the most viable alternative fuel for vehicles.  Electricity can't take a vehicle but so far, then you have to recharge for 8 hours.  This is impractical for cross country trips.  The navy is making synthetic jet fuel from seawater, but it requires lots of nuclear power.  Algae oil will require lots of greenhouses to be built, taking up potential farmland.  It also requires lots of water. 

[Hooker]

I really get a kick out some folks on this site. They act like all pipe lines, drilling rigs and oil companies are operated irresponsibly with total disregard for the environment. Yet they squall like heck when the anti-gun crowd stereotypes them as gun owners in the same way.
They share a common ailment it's called "Ignorance".
I work for a large land based drilling company we are responsible we go the extra mile every day to protect the environment.
Our rigs are clean the well sites are lined and after the well is done the ground is inspected to make sure the liner held.
If we have any leakage we don't wait for government agencies we take immediate action and we clean it up.
We don't patch things when under operation we shut the operation down and fix it.
This is not the only company that has the ethic, irresponsible oil field operators are all but extinct because of regulations and and reputation . 
Will we have accidents and failures? You bet . But we will be there taking care of it , because we have to live in the same world as the rest of you.

Pat

[Sourdough]

Look at where the EXON VALDEZ spilled oil.  The worst oil tanker spill on record in the US.  Reports were the Prince William Sound was ruined, and would never recover.  Quess what, today you can go down there and not see a trace of it unless you know where to look.  The eco system has returned to normal.  The whales are still there, so is the salmon, halibut, otters, shore birds, and everything else.  The glaciers are not black, nor is the shoreline.

Crude oil happens in nature.  I can take you to almost any swamp in Alaska and find oil floating on top fo the water.  Methain bubbles coming out as you walk on top of the floating grass.  No one has spilled oil there, it is naturally occuring, and finding it's way to the top.

NO BIG DEAL, so relax.  It's not the end of the world, or that river.  Time will heal it.

[magooch]

Right on, but those who believe that oil is evil, should refrain from using it in any form.  Why would they want to be a hypocrite?

[ironglow]

Look at where the EXON VALDEZ spilled oil.  The worst oil tanker spill on record in the US.  Reports were the Prince William Sound was ruined, and would never recover.  Quess what, today you can go down there and not see a trace of it unless you know where to look.  The eco system has returned to normal.  The whales are still there, so is the salmon, halibut, otters, shore birds, and everything else.  The glaciers are not black, nor is the shoreline.

Crude oil happens in nature.  I can take you to almost any swamp in Alaska and find oil floating on top fo the water.  Methain bubbles coming out as you walk on top of the floating grass.  No one has spilled oil there, it is naturally occuring, and finding it's way to the top.

NO BIG DEAL, so relax.  It's not the end of the world, or that river.  Time will heal it.

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  Sourdough;
  My brother was considering an abandoned salmon cannery a few years ago, with the idea of setting up a sport fishing camp.  He has lived/worked in Alaska off and on since 1972 and some of his kids are permanent residents.  He explored the PW sound then..perhaps 3-4 years after the spill.  He said the area where nobody had interfered seemed to have cleaned itself, while the area where the do-gooders tried to "rescue" the beach, it was still messed up, but slowly improving.
     GUZZI;
  By your condemnation of anything petroleum related, I suppose we can safely assume you do not drive a car, ride a motorcycle, fly in anair plane or heat your home with petroleum or electric generated by petroleum...
       You sound like a typical liberal, who says;    "something sure stinks around here, but don't look in MY diaper" !

[billy_56081]

SD again a person like yourself chimes in with good old common sense and personal experience verses the thoughtful emotional liberal who has "heard" that this "damage" is still present. 

[Sourdough]

Oil is a naturally occuring substance.  The earth can and will handle it.  Hydrocarbons are also naturally occuring.  The few humans create is just a small drop in the ocean, compared to what our earth creates.  One small valcano puts more hydrocarbons into the atmosphere, than man has ever created.  So get real and get off that "We are destroying the earth" band wagon.

Remember drilling in ANWR, will be a postage stamp on a football field.

Have any of you guys seen a volcano blow?  It's impressive, it forces you to understand how insignificant we are.  I've seen Mt Redoubt blow three times.  Once from a fishing boat out in Cook Inlet (that was scary).  I've seen Mt Spur blow once.  I was driving a school bus with a load of elementary kids, when the ash got so thick I could not see to drive.  I parked the bus till it let up enough to see.  I put mask on all the kids, and we sang and played games till the ash subsided.  I have watched crews use road graders to plow the ash off the runway at Elmendorf AFB.  Yet today you can hardly find any evidence of those volcanos erupting.  Think of all the hydrocarbons coming off all that fresh lava.  All the oil in the world could not compete with that.

Sorry, I had to get that plug in for ANWR.  Rog     

[Dixie Dude]

ANWR has a 47 year supply of natural gas for the whole U.S.  They were going to extend a natural gas pipeline about 800 miles via the Alaska Hwy and connect to Canada's natural gas line going south in order to carry it to the lower 48. 

[gr8ful]

The News channels are reporting that up to 40,000 gallons of oil may have been spilled. That is less than a single railroad tanker car hauls.  Sounds more like Media Hype than the end of the world.

[streak]

You really think the gulf is like it was before the spill? There is still problems from the Valdez incident and how many years ago was that?
GuzziJohn

What problems??

[billy_56081]

Streak it is the problems he "heard" about from the greeny crowd. No personal knowledge what so ever.

[streak]

Streak it is the problems he "heard" about from the greeny crowd. No personal knowledge what so ever.

Yeah billy, that was the reason for my question! Because I just was up in Prince William Sound last May and traveled over a large area of it and as "Sourdough" mentioned in his earlier post everything seems to be going great with all of the wildlife and marine life!
My oldest son lives in Alaska and spends alot of his time hunting and fishing in and around Prince William Sound. " Mother Nature" knows how to take care of her own!!

[billy_56081]

Streak the liberal treetards cannot fathom that mother nature can take care of her own. They think that only government with a huge amount of money can fix anything. 

[ironglow]

Hey guys; the liberals themselves, screw up more things in this world than all the oil spills, forest fires, floods and earthquakes combined ! 

[streak]

Hey guys; the liberals themselves, screw up more things in this world than all the oil spills, forest fires, floods and earthquakes combined ! 

That`s a "BIG 10-4"!

[ironglow]

  Hey...Anybody heard from Guzzi lately ?

[billy_56081]

I would imagine he is moping around listening to the blues. Poor guy is defenseless in a battle of logic.

[gypsyman]

He's probably trying to figure out how to hook up a wind turbine to his car or motorcycle. Somebody ought to tell him, if he eats enough Mexican food, he might make enough of his own gas, and then he won't use any of that dirty old crude oil from the ground!! gypsyman

[guzzijohn]

I'm back.............
I have been out burning oil for last couple of days on my new Guzzi. Many of you all can sure put a lot of words in my mouth. What did my OP say? it did not say anything about not drilling, not to use oil, etc. It was saying that we have to be more careful. The oil company assured everyone that the oil line was buried deep enough and built well enough that this spill couldn't happen, but it did and in one of the most beautiful spots in the USA. The company first lied about how much had spilled. They then said everything would be contained within 10 miles but as of yesterday oil had spread to 80 miles downstream. I don't know about you all but whether or not nature can take care of this on its own is one thing but I own property with a 36 acre lake and I would be really pissed to find a bunch of oil in it one day. Sounds like some of you would enjoy a good oil spill on your property. By the way here is a picture of my new oil burner.

[Ranch13]

 A wee bit of over reaaction going on with this entire affair.
 Laurel Mt is a nice place but far from the prettiest in the world.
 As fast and furious as the Yellowstone is running this year there's lots of things that have been washed out, including the water line at Miles City.
 As for some of the oil moving 80 miles downstream, well yeah, that river is probably running 30 mph, or at least that's the way it looked a couple of weeks ago when I saw it.
 The amount of oil coupled with the cubic feet per second of water in the river, the oil will be pretty much dispersed except for in pockets where the oil gathers up in backwater eddies etc. Not to mention the scouring action of all the dirt ,silt ,rocks ,gravel and other debri that river is runnning right now.
 Bad deal for certain but one that most likely couldn't be helped, and one that will be all but forgotten in a month or so.

[gr8ful]

Nice bike Guzzi!  Considering the volume of the river in a historic flood finding oil 80 miles downstream is no real surprise, however due to the small relative volume of the spill the impact on the environment should minimal.  From what I have gathered I believe the oil company had already shut down the pipeline in anticipation something happening during the flood event and was already monitoring the situation, with resouces standing by.  IMO the oil company did the right thing, and with their continuing cleanup effort is still doing the right thing.

[billy_56081]

Now now you guys quit presenting fact. The liberal parasite treetards are only given talking points they must email and receive a reply before they can answer back.