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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #60 on: July 21, 2011, 06:23:55 AM »
Does careing for the earth mean not using what God gave us ?  ::)
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« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2011, 06:24:25 AM »
I wish Shell Oil would knock on the door and ask to drill in my backyard.
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« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2011, 06:26:58 AM »
  Hey Bugeye;
   The natural gas people might start "fracking" under my woods any month now...come on progress !
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« Reply #63 on: July 21, 2011, 06:34:16 AM »
  Hey Bugeye;
   The natural gas people might start "fracking" under my woods any month now...come on progress !
I saw a tv program about that recently and there were some spill problems, but the science of it is getting better.  you might have a potential "gold mine" there.
don't forget your friends when you're lighting cigars with $100 bills. ;D
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« Reply #64 on: July 21, 2011, 07:52:50 AM »
Everybody's opinion is a product of his/her personal situation and experiences.  Here's mine.
I have lived my whole life in a rural area where various natural resources were/are available.  In the 19th century, the forests were clearcut resulting in lost soil and streams/rivers full of siltation and millionaire lumber company owners.
 In the early 20th century, coal was deep mined resulting in exploitation of the area and people and.... millionaire coal company owners.  Children as young as 12 were forced into laboring for the mining companies.  My coalminer grandfather died a most insidious slow suffocation death over several years' time due to silicosis.  The streams and peoples' wells still run red with acid mine drainage. 
In the later 20th century, strip mining came into vogue resulting in thousands of square miles of ravaged topography that can no longer absorb rainfall.... and millionaire mining company owners. 
As the 21st century started, the ridgetops began being commandeered for the erection of wind turbines.  Vast acreage was taken out of any other possible use, the produced electricity wired to urban areas hundreds of miles away and....the owners became millionaires. 
Now, hundreds of marcelus shale gas drilling companies are swooping into the area to, once again, exploit the local resources and people and....become millionaires.  Coincidental to the fracking process, aquifers have become either polluted or drained, personal wells have become polluted, forests have been leveled and the depletion of waterways is now threatened in order to supply enough water for the fracking.
After living a lifetime of having my world exploited by fatcats, being expected to endure loses, pay for somebody else's life of luxury, sacrifice land and drinking water and lifestyle to have the resources shipped, trucked, and transported to urban areas, do I really need to tell you what my attitude is regarding energy production as it stands today?
Go ahead; rip away.  But live in my shoes for 60 years first.
 

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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #65 on: July 21, 2011, 01:07:21 PM »
TM you aint been on many reservations have ya.
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« Reply #66 on: July 21, 2011, 01:23:08 PM »
Everybody's opinion is a product of his/her personal situation and experiences.  Here's mine.
I have lived my whole life in a rural area where various natural resources were/are available.  In the 19th century, the forests were clearcut resulting in lost soil and streams/rivers full of siltation and millionaire lumber company owners.
 In the early 20th century, coal was deep mined resulting in exploitation of the area and people and.... millionaire coal company owners.  Children as young as 12 were forced into laboring for the mining companies.  My coalminer grandfather died a most insidious slow suffocation death over several years' time due to silicosis.  The streams and peoples' wells still run red with acid mine drainage. 
In the later 20th century, strip mining came into vogue resulting in thousands of square miles of ravaged topography that can no longer absorb rainfall.... and millionaire mining company owners. 
As the 21st century started, the ridgetops began being commandeered for the erection of wind turbines.  Vast acreage was taken out of any other possible use, the produced electricity wired to urban areas hundreds of miles away and....the owners became millionaires. 
Now, hundreds of marcelus shale gas drilling companies are swooping into the area to, once again, exploit the local resources and people and....become millionaires.  Coincidental to the fracking process, aquifers have become either polluted or drained, personal wells have become polluted, forests have been leveled and the depletion of waterways is now threatened in order to supply enough water for the fracking.
After living a lifetime of having my world exploited by fatcats, being expected to endure loses, pay for somebody else's life of luxury, sacrifice land and drinking water and lifestyle to have the resources shipped, trucked, and transported to urban areas, do I really need to tell you what my attitude is regarding energy production as it stands today?
Go ahead; rip away.  But live in my shoes for 60 years first.
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   I understand your concern, but of course you are speaking of events of a century ago.  There were abuses then which were a disgrace, but now there are safeguards to protect the people and environment.  Shucks..just the mention of anybody doing anything..building, digging, erecting or landscaping...and a hundred "eco-freak Luddites" come out of the woodwork to stop progress...and they are willing to lie, cheat and quote false history to back their whining.  Heaven knows, whenever such work proceeds..there will be the government agencies, conservation groups and a thouand eco-freaks watching every move..just hoping to find something wrong!  When the Trans-Alaska pipeline was proposed...so many eco-freaks screamed that the line would halt caribou migration and do all kinds of mischief to the natural environment.  The pipeline was built...some well above ground, some below ground, so the caribou (& others) could "take their choice".  Today, the caribou and other species are doing better than ever..they now have a nice pasture, 2 miles wide and 800 miles long !
  I too live in a rural area..where timber was cut, oil pumped and many other uses made of natural resources a century ago.        The hills which were nearly cleared of timber a hundred years ago, are doing just fine now and those who harvest todays timber recognize the need for intelligent, renewable stewardship.  The remaining oil wells are capped for later use, preferrably when more efficent recovery methods are available...plus they are monitored regularly.
  Especially in rural areas, jobs are needed and the produce of the hills are needed by people across this nation.  Although we may wish to, we cannot afford to sit upon our pristine mountain top or creek bottom and simply "commune with nature".       Our friends and neighbors need jobs, and these energy resources are a burgeoning source of jobs..which themselves will be monitored carefully to see that neither the workers nor the environment will be abused.  I cannot accept that anyone today thinks for one moment that a corporation can get away with polluting recklessly;  especially if they understand the environmental laws...and how such an offense can follow and be pinned upon a corporation AND it's principals..even decades after the fact.
  Frankly, I don't need to walk in your shoes, since I have similar shoes (not exact, unless you also wear #13s ;) ), and have been wearing them for nearly 75 years. Probably we have walked very similar hills and valleys..
  Please, don't base your decisions on century old techniques..move on to the present..
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« Reply #67 on: July 21, 2011, 01:44:55 PM »
  Hey Bugeye;
   The natural gas people might start "fracking" under my woods any month now...come on progress !
I saw a tv program about that recently and there were some spill problems, but the science of it is getting better.  you might have a potential "gold mine" there.
don't forget your friends when you're lighting cigars with $100 bills. ;D
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  Bugeye, even if they do hit somethiong big in my woods, it won't mean a lot financially for me..but the activity will sure help the local employment rolls some.
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« Reply #68 on: July 21, 2011, 03:42:05 PM »
  Hey Bugeye;
   The natural gas people might start "fracking" under my woods any month now...come on progress !
I saw a tv program about that recently and there were some spill problems, but the science of it is getting better.  you might have a potential "gold mine" there.
don't forget your friends when you're lighting cigars with $100 bills. ;D
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  Bugeye, even if they do hit somethiong big in my woods, it won't mean a lot financially for me..but the activity will sure help the local employment rolls some.
I can get along alright but it breaks my heart to see people lose their jobs. so every project like this means everything to some people.
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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2011, 04:22:27 PM »
IG,
The marcelus shale gas drilling operations are here and now, not 100 years ago.  And some of the degradations of 100 years ago (like the deep mining that produced acid mine drainage) are still being felt today.  I've seen it time and again where big corporations come into a rural area and promise all kinds of jobs and dangle money in front of the locals to get their foot in the door and then give the bulk of the jobs to their back-home employees.  The locals get the dirty end of the stick and suffer the consequences for decades, or longer. 
 
The marcelus shale gas drilling companies are spending millions of dollars on radio and tv PR advertizing.  I've learned long ago that, the more people feel they have to scream how great they are, the more likely it is that they have something they're trying to hide.  Mark my word here and now, there will be monumental consequences of marcelus shale drilling in the northeast that will make the acid mine drainage issue look like a fly in the ocean.  The more desperate people are for jobs and the more devastating the economy, the more easily people are convinced to accept infiltration of exploitive big business.  People, right now, are feeling so desparate that they are willing to accept anything said by the energy exploitation industry, especially when they're promised big money.  They're offering the people bondage in prostitution and the people are screaming, "Use me, use me."   

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« Reply #70 on: July 21, 2011, 04:40:27 PM »
Stillkickin;
   I  understand your concern and will closely observe anything which may hint at abuse. The fracking is presently going on across the border from me in Pennsylvania (25-30 miles) and I have heard no complaints from my neighbors to the south. I do seem to detect a bit of resentment in your speech concerning free enterprise and entreprenuers.  In all due respect, it sounds like it was scripted by a union..  You don't have anything to do with unions, do you ?
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« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2011, 07:11:41 PM »
Concerns about fracking are largely created by the " bunny huggers" who have no concept of what fracking actually means!
Yes there can be problems when these techniques are implemented, but in almost all cases fracking is done in zones well below water tables, thus not endangering the water source. In the Haynesville shale play this technique is used almost exclusively to extract the natural gas from it`s source formation. Also there are different fracking materials  used and some of these are just natural media such as sand, water,etc.
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« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2011, 03:45:44 AM »
Ironglow,
I have no ties to unions.  And, Streak, I am far from a bunny hugger.  All of what I have said so far is the result of personal experience and living with the direct results and aftermath of the EXPLOITIVE harvesting of resources where I live.  That isn't to say that all recovery of energy resources is exploitive or unethical, only that I have seen first-hand how things CAN be when the greed for money takes precedence over any other concern, and how people without the money and power to resist are many times trampled in the process.
 
The marcelus shale gas situation is hot here.  The fracking process is passed off as harmless, but the drilling companies refuse to divulge all the chemicals they use.  When they are accused of contaminating a water source, their standard arrogant response is a demand to "prove it!"  Obviously, if your water supply is contaminated with a chemical that can't be traced to the drillers, it can't be proven that they caused the contamination.  The geology of this area is extremely complex and convoluted with faults.  Anybody who claims to be able to guarantee that what they pump underground at high pressure, in such an area, will not migrate out of their control is either a fool for expecting me to believe that or he is an outright liar. 
 
And if further evidence is needed to dispute labeling my thoughts as coming from this or that type of person with an agenda, I have a direct relative who is an executive officer in a major energy related company.  I am simply a skeptical person when it comes to putting myself and my welfare at the mercy of the willingness of others to do the right thing.       
 
   

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« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2011, 06:21:43 AM »
I have no experience with fracking or oil drilling but my business experience will call BS on the statment. "The companies refuse to divulge all the chemicals" BS BS BS. Both OSHA and MSHA REQUIRE and msds for EVERY chemical they use. The companies would not make it through the first 10 minutes of an inspection if they did not have the msds forms.
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« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2011, 06:49:40 AM »
Ironglow,
I have no ties to unions.  And, Streak, I am far from a bunny hugger.  All of what I have said so far is the result of personal experience and living with the direct results and aftermath of the EXPLOITIVE harvesting of resources where I live.  That isn't to say that all recovery of energy resources is exploitive or unethical, only that I have seen first-hand how things CAN be when the greed for money takes precedence over any other concern, and how people without the money and power to resist are many times trampled in the process.
 
The marcelus shale gas situation is hot here.  The fracking process is passed off as harmless, but the drilling companies refuse to divulge all the chemicals they use.  When they are accused of contaminating a water source, their standard arrogant response is a demand to "prove it!"  Obviously, if your water supply is contaminated with a chemical that can't be traced to the drillers, it can't be proven that they caused the contamination.  The geology of this area is extremely complex and convoluted with faults.  Anybody who claims to be able to guarantee that what they pump underground at high pressure, in such an area, will not migrate out of their control is either a fool for expecting me to believe that or he is an outright liar. 
 
And if further evidence is needed to dispute labeling my thoughts as coming from this or that type of person with an agenda, I have a direct relative who is an executive officer in a major energy related company.  I am simply a skeptical person when it comes to putting myself and my welfare at the mercy of the willingness of others to do the right thing.       
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   I can understand your concern...especially if you live in an area where the land (and the people) were terribly abused.
  The horrific scars do linger, on the land and in people's minds.  ...But Billy is correct... Until about 10 years ago I worked for a "Fortune 500 corp.; not as a big shot in the office, but as a foreman (politically correct, "supervisor") out on the floor. For anything stronger than water, MSDS books HAD to be kept..and all, every drop, of any such chemicals had to be accounted for. When we shipped waste of any of these products, our responsibility DID NOT end "at the back door".  We were responsible for it's final disposition too.  If a chemical we shipped were to show up in an illegal dumping area 30 years later, the disposal firm as well as our corporation...and those in charge of the corp & shipping would face probably millions of dollars in fines.  This is so serious, we occasionally had "shadow cars" follow the disposal trucks to their destination.
  I was also a member of the "emergency response team" at the facility.  We were the 'first responders' to fires or hazmat spills.  If a car in the parking lot leaked radiator fluid or air conditioner refrigerant..the team was called out for proper disposal...and then the government paper train started..
  Believe me, a corp can't get away with ANY of the abuses of those of a century ago, or even those of 30 years ago.  It would be stupid for them to even try..
   When the Alyeska pipeline was being constructed, my brother-in-law hauled pipe for it.  There were cases where some guy stepped out of his truck to do 'tinkle' and was caught...the soils shoveled up and taken back to Fairbanks.  No matter that urine is normally sterile and a herd of 2,000 caribou (3-400 peeing) may have crossed in front of his truck while he leaked, he was fired on the spot !  That's how ridiculous eco-freaks have made things...
 
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« Reply #75 on: July 23, 2011, 05:24:33 AM »
In NYCity, which gets there water from the Catskills, there is grave concern that their water supplies will be put in jeopardy by widespread fracking..the research seems to indicate that this is the case. Ruination of such water sources appears to be unrepairable.
The fracking itself seems to require huge amounts of water to begin, mixed with several of 3000 chemicals to dispaced bound natural gas out of sequester.  This appears a very dirty business and the track record and coverups are rife with issues. Truth be known ..likely what BP was trying in the Gulf with some kind of deepwater fracking which backfired...literally.
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  TM;  I think somebody has been "pulling your leg"..your NY City water comes from open reservoirs..Ashokan, Sacandaga etc;
essentially, lakes in the Catskills and Adirondack foothills.  These are filled by runoff, basically rain water.  Just how do you expect fracking to affect them?.
  I believe no state is more careful about possible environmental issues than NY..simply because we have so many eco-freak poultroons, always ready to do their best to squelch progress and job creation.  THe NY State DEC (dept of Environmental Conservation) has closely examined the whole process, the materials used and the effects on the natural environment... and this very cautious body has approved the process.  They have witheld certain areas from widespread drilling  around NY City and Syracuse and their water supplies.... simply because that's where most of the shreiking screamers are located.
  http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/it_ga_new_study_fuels_fracking_backing_P0tjZR3c1U66UTWDxRSXHI
   
 
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« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2011, 05:59:54 AM »
one of the most important issues is Jobs.  one of my older brothers has been in Oregon since 59.
he had friends who lost everything they owned because of that spotted owl fiasco.
the democrat party is anti-people.
we need to be drilling in ANWR and more in the gulf.  sending our money to the middle east just creates jobs in the middle east.
as others have said, protections are in place to protect the environment.  apparently these bunny huggers have never had to worry about where there next meal is coming from.
a few years ago my wife and I made an agreement of no more Christmas presents for each other and we take that money "it's not much" and help a couple of familys on holiday meals etc.
in some cases Christmas dinner would have been a bologna sandwich, if that.
these anti people should be ashamed. they are anti-Christian and anti-American.
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« Reply #77 on: July 23, 2011, 12:06:18 PM »
   TM;
      Part of the DECs,s regs prohibits drilling around those two big cities and/or their reservoirs..primarily because of the NIMBYs.
  The additives used will be "green friendly" in nature...and if you know NY State's DEC as I do, you will be super confident that no operator is going to get away with anything !
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« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2011, 05:29:43 PM »
As I said before, whoever is saying that the oil companies will not divulge the chemicals they use is a liar. Both OSHA and MSHA REQUIRE an MSDS for EVERY chemical.
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« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2011, 06:46:21 PM »
I think those that are anti-fracking and have concerns about this technique would be well served to do a little research on the various techniques of fracking. I know a lot of misinformation is being expressed by the talking heads on t.v. and a lot of this is strictly political!
The only bad thing I have ever seen fracking do is screw up production on a well!!
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« Reply #80 on: July 24, 2011, 05:02:36 AM »
I would be willing to quietly stand aside and favor drilling IF the top ten CEO's in every Marcellus shale gas drilling company were required to reside for the next twenty-five years within 1000 feet and at lower elevation of ANOTHER company's active well.  Only then would I have any expectation that the companies involved would actually adhere to existing laws (as if decision makers in such industries would never DREAM of failing to comply with laws or regulations  ::) )

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« Reply #81 on: July 24, 2011, 05:15:27 AM »
It is a myth that the chemicals used for fracking are not known. The EPA knows every compound used in the fracking material, and the info is available. Do we really think that a drilling company would be using secret chemicals in their fracking mud that were not known about by the EPA. Most of the fracking material used is water and sand anyway. Any chemicals that are used, are a small percentage of the mixture.

http://www.energyindepth.org/frac-fluid.pdf


Another myth is that fracking contaminates water wells. I wonder how this happens when the fracking and water tables are separated by a few thousand feet of rock. Its just another lie by the environmentalists that have many people believing it. In PA where a lot of marcellus drilling is going on the EPA has not found one single case where fracking fluid has contaminated drinking water, but the lie is still believed. 
If it was up to the environmentalists we would still be traveling around in horse drawn buggies. Isn't it terrible those evil oil and gas drilling companies are making money so we can have heat and electricity for our homes, and the many other uses we get from oil and gas.       

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« Reply #82 on: July 24, 2011, 05:36:34 AM »
DDZ, you can't talk sense to some people, especially when the head greenie weenie is in the white house.  if they want to make a real impression, go work on china and other asian countries.
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« Reply #83 on: July 24, 2011, 05:52:44 AM »
 "In PA where a lot of marcellus drilling is going on the EPA has not found one single case where fracking fluid has contaminated drinking water, but the lie is still believed."
That crafty assembly of words excludes the occasion where the fracking PROCESS itself might force other contaminants, that WERE safely contained, onto the surface or into waterways that then become a threat.
 
Notwithstanding any EPA documents that have been posted on websites, there HAVE been marcellus shale gas drilling companies in PA fined by the state for violations of environmental regulations.  There HAVE been companies required to supply drinking water for individuals and whole communities that mysteriously had same go belly up coincidental to the onset of drilling, and if my memory is correct, there was one company that suffered a major fire onsite as a result of failing to adhere to regulations.
 
A webpage that proclaims everything to be a bed of roses don't necessarily make it so. 

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« Reply #84 on: July 24, 2011, 05:54:09 AM »
Exactly DDZ, these folks have no problems telling out right lies to promote their agendas. What is even worse is the treetards are so stupid and inexperienced in life that they repeat these lies. I mean anyone so stupid to try to promote that, "they are using unknown chemicals" has to have no real world experience.
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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #85 on: July 24, 2011, 09:02:50 AM »
Here is a video that pretty much says the gasland video information is all a bunch of lies and story telling, just as I suspected. And yes, the drilling companies are under regulations and are watched very closely. If one of them spilled a cup of oil on the ground the EPA, DEP, and every other government agency would be ready to fine them.  The idea that these companies are under no regulations to keep them from putting contaminates in ground water, is just another big fat one.   

http://anga.us/truthaboutgasland?gclid=CP7e-pa8mqoCFQ5U7Aodxwmx1Q

The marcellus shale gas is roughly a mile deep, going to 10,000 feet in some areas.  Most water wells are drilled between 100 to 300 feet. Common sense kind of tells you that fracking fluid injected into the rock layer at around 5,280 feet does not and will not contaminate water wells. All this misinformation is nothing but scare tactics used by environmentalists to get people all worried and, to aid them in stopping marcellus gas drilling. Mostly the environmentalists are all worked up because of trees that need to be cut for drilling rigs to have access. I never could understand all the fuss about cutting trees, because they are a restorable resource. I guess environmentalists would rather wait for a fire to destroy them than have humans put them to use. Just another indication of how nuts these people are.

I live near a 13.5 billion gallon lake that is used for nothing else but to supply surrounding communities with water. There are marcellus gas wells drilled near the lake with horizontal legs going under the lake. Do you guys really think that if there was any danger of contaminating the water source that the wells would be allowed anywhere near the lake? I have a well for my water source, and I'm not the least bit worried about fracking fluid that might be 4000 to 10,000 feet below my well. Again fracking fluid is about 99.5% water and sand. A couple of you guys got your panties all waded up over nothing. Maybe its just the perception of big oil and gas companies destroying the earth, making money, and not offering us free oil and gas.       

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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #86 on: July 24, 2011, 09:52:52 AM »
THe "unknown chemicals" are a lie!
 
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #87 on: July 24, 2011, 02:40:36 PM »
Tm, I'm sure you are capable of finding the answers to those questions.

So you are assuming the quakes in Arkansas were caused by injecting fracking fluid. Do you think possibly the quakes are due to a couple of fault lines running through Arkansas? Numerous quakes have happened before in Arkansas, very similar to the ones they are blaming on fracking mud. When there is a gas or oil company around, its pretty easy to just blame them.   

Drilling companies can not put whatever chemicals they want into the ground. Individual states regulate drilling companies. I do work for a gas company and we are not even allowed to take a leak on the ground, let alone any chemical. As Billy stated in an earlier post Companies are required to have an MSDS for any chemical on site. So no, there are no hidden secret chemicals, that drilling companies are dumping into the ground. 

They are exempt from the federal clean water act, but that mostly covers storm water runoff from drilling pads, and polluting water ways. If you think these companies are legally able to dump pollutants in water ways you are wrong about that. Again states have strict regulations that cover any dumping of pollutants. These regulations even include storm water runoff.

I guess you are one of the ones that think CO2 is harmful. If there was no co2 in the atmosphere we would not have any plants or trees. I think the hydrocarbons from gas wells do not harm the atmosphere either, but if you listen to environmentalists I'm sure their answer is that they do. Of coarse the same crowd claims that cow farts are harmful to the atmosphere.   

Lets say, we know of just 10% of the gasland video is a lie. What credibility does that give the rest of it?

If these drilling rigs, and fracking mud are so dangerous. Why are so many land owners hoping they get a natural gas drilling rig parked on their property? 
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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #88 on: July 24, 2011, 03:00:30 PM »
  There you go dagnab it !  Dealing in FACTS again..you know that won't go well around here!
 
  I wonder when these anti-drilling, anti-fracking and anti all other energy recovery systems..start boycotting and natural gas, petroleum, electricity and any other form of energy of which they frown upon the recovery method ?
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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #89 on: July 24, 2011, 03:05:32 PM »
and,  drillings rigs = jobs.    jobs mean everything to some people.
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