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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #120 on: July 26, 2011, 12:48:26 PM »
     Gentlemen; I think it is time we face facts!  There is a certain portion of the far left who, whether through their educational
  process, percieved injustice or screw-loose reasoning..harbor a deep hatred for the USA, it's culture, history and traditions.
     Sadly, I believe the current admin in Washington has it's share as well as lefties in the general population.  No names need be mentioned, we can tell by their conversation, where the deep seated resentment of America shows through.
  All this crap about global warming, snail darter fish, spotted owls, various ridiculous eco rules, political correctness church/state fights, gun control issues and many other inconveniences are  just their way at "getting back" at the rest of us.
  Trying to hurt our businesses, our culture and traditions.  They are the same ones who try to "revise history" and hide the real truth about our foundations.
    Evidence ?  ..Whenever they get the 'upper hand' in an issue, they like to do an "in your face" demonstration.  For instance, here in the very blue NY State the perverts were recently given the right to desecrate the act of marriage.  Instead of going ahead with their travesty one by one in couples.. they married in large groups on Sunday (the Lord's day), called in the willing media for an in-your-face !  Mayor Bloomberg of Snake city proudly married a gang of them himself !
  All I can say for that brazen act is to repeat the title of a well known sermon by Billy Sunday...so here's your message Mayor Bloomberg and your twisted friends.. as Billy Sunday said;   " Payday Someday " !
 
  Guys, just remember ..when a liberal does something which will OBVIOUSLY have a damaging effect upon the USA, it's culture, it's tyraditions or it's prosperity... Don't be surprised, that's exactly what they intended..and some liberals in very high offices are no exception.
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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #121 on: July 27, 2011, 06:17:30 AM »
Sarah Palin arranged with Canada years ago to build a pipeline down to the "outside"  and it is in the works right now, from what I understand.  She has the intelligence and foresight that B Hussein and most libs have missed out on...
 
  In my post #129 I explained in essence , why Sarah has such sensible moves to her credit.  Some liberals hate the USA and try to hurt it..while concealing their motives.. Sarah loves her country and loves her country, so her moves (do the best for America) and motives come easy. ....And she doesn't have to conceal her true motivations.
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« Reply #122 on: July 27, 2011, 08:42:30 AM »
Ironglow:  Sarah did put a plan in motion.  But since her unfortunate removal from office, (She did not quite, she was forced out) the plan has fizzled.  The only company to gain the bid was Trans Canada, who stonewalled us when we started asking questions about the slow pace of progress on the project.  Then the completion dates went from 10 years to 25 years.  Trans Canada is now in the process of building a pipeline from the Canadian oil sands project to the lower 48.  In my openion Trans Canada took the bid to slow down and prevent other companies from building a line that would compete with theirs.  Canada has done everything possible to prevent us from getting gas to the lower 48, so they can be the supplier.  Transfer of wealth to the north this time.  Trans Canada is refusing to give up their contract, preventing anyone else from building a line.  We are looking at our legislature to withdraw the contract so we can get something else going.

The Oil Minister of Canada has said the Canadians will draw off the petrochemicals of any gas line going through Canada for their petrochemical industry.  They would not pay for them either.  Consider that part of the tarriff for moving our gas through Canada.  When we protested he made the statement "Remember, I have my hand on the valve.  I can slow it down to a slow trickle, or I can shut it off".

Too bad America did not grab British Columbia back when we were moving west.  It's just over 700 miles from Washington State to Alaska.  That would have connected us to the lower 48 without having to go through Canada.  We think of Canada as a friendly nation, wrong.  Canada is pulling all kinds of shady and crooked deals against the US.  The US has for years been educating the Canadian Kids at our universities for free, on Hockey scholarships.  Look at all the College hockey teams.  Two or three from the US, one or two from Europe, the rest from Canada.  This has been going on for decades.  And we only have ourselves to blame.
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« Reply #123 on: July 27, 2011, 09:26:08 AM »
There are underwater natural gas pipelines in the Gulf of Mexico from Texas and Louisiana to Florida.  (Cross country required too many government strings like EPA permits, easements and right-of-ways).  A natural gas pipeline could be installed from Alaska to Washington underwater or a liquification plant built in Alaska and use LNG ships to bring it to the lower 48.  LNG ships already take natural gas from the Arabs to Italy and other European countries.  Pipelines are being built through Spain and Turkey, but many different countries to deal with.  Most European gas comes from Russia now.  Italy has about 20% of their vehicles running natural gas, mostly fleets in government, so the technology is there and being used.  It is also being used in a lot of American cities already, but not full scale.  Natural gas provides about 20% of electricity right now and rising.  Coal about 40%.  Nuclear about 25%, 10% hydro.  The rest wind.  Problem with wind from plains states is the transmission lines east and west have to be built.  Coal is gradually decreasing due to EPA regulations, and natural gas is the quickest to get up and running.  Just a jet engine running natural gas turning a big generator.  Most natgas is used during peeks in the summer.  We need to get the Alaska gas to the lower 48 somehow.  Through LNG or an underwater pipeline.  The underwater pipelines have valves every so often to turn off in case of a leak or rupture.  It only bubbles up and is released into the upper atmosphere.  Not as bad as oil leak. 

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« Reply #124 on: July 29, 2011, 06:19:34 AM »
Ironglow:  Sarah did put a plan in motion.  But since her unfortunate removal from office, (She did not quite, she was forced out) the plan has fizzled.  The only company to gain the bid was Trans Canada, who stonewalled us when we started asking questions about the slow pace of progress on the project.  Then the completion dates went from 10 years to 25 years.  Trans Canada is now in the process of building a pipeline from the Canadian oil sands project to the lower 48.  In my openion Trans Canada took the bid to slow down and prevent other companies from building a line that would compete with theirs.  Canada has done everything possible to prevent us from getting gas to the lower 48, so they can be the supplier.  Transfer of wealth to the north this time.  Trans Canada is refusing to give up their contract, preventing anyone else from building a line.  We are looking at our legislature to withdraw the contract so we can get something else going.

The Oil Minister of Canada has said the Canadians will draw off the petrochemicals of any gas line going through Canada for their petrochemical industry.  They would not pay for them either.  Consider that part of the tarriff for moving our gas through Canada.  When we protested he made the statement "Remember, I have my hand on the valve.  I can slow it down to a slow trickle, or I can shut it off".

Too bad America did not grab British Columbia back when we were moving west.  It's just over 700 miles from Washington State to Alaska.  That would have connected us to the lower 48 without having to go through Canada.  We think of Canada as a friendly nation, wrong.  Canada is pulling all kinds of shady and crooked deals against the US.  The US has for years been educating the Canadian Kids at our universities for free, on Hockey scholarships.  Look at all the College hockey teams.  Two or three from the US, one or two from Europe, the rest from Canada.  This has been going on for decades.  And we only have ourselves to blame.
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  Hmmm ..I didn't realize the Canadians could be so petulant....   Would conversion to LP shipped by water be a viable option ?
 
  Perhaps two could play that game...if we had leaders in Washington with some gonads !  Our southern states would sure appreciate some of that Great Lakes water..but we have respected Canada's joint ownership.  Perhaps we could pry them with threats to the Great Lakes water.  If they can steal our gas..we can steal their water.... two can play that game.
   Unfortunately, we need a leader with testosterone and a practical mind.  Somebody like Col (Rep) Allen West comes to mind..
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« Reply #125 on: August 05, 2011, 03:38:17 PM »
Just for the record, a truck carrying tanks of chemicals being transported to a marcellus shale drilling site overturned in a neighboring county yesterday.  Nine of the ten tanks were leaking and people living in the vicinity were required to evacuate their homes.  Apparently somebody thought that those chemicals really weren't safe, harmless, innocuous substances of no consequence.  And on it goes.

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« Reply #126 on: August 05, 2011, 04:54:58 PM »
Just for the record, a truck carrying tanks of chemicals being transported to a marcellus shale drilling site overturned in a neighboring county yesterday.  Nine of the ten tanks were leaking and people living in the vicinity were required to evacuate their homes.  Apparently somebody thought that those chemicals really weren't safe, harmless, innocuous substances of no consequence.  And on it goes.

Dangerous or not, that is not the matter here, I guarentee they had an MSDS for each and every one of them and they are no secret as some try to insinuate.
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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #127 on: August 06, 2011, 03:34:35 AM »
Gee, I guess I stand corrected.  "Dangerous or not" is not the issue here, at least not in your "here" eh?  But it darn well is an issue for the people forced out of their homes at the spill location.  Maybe I'll just bop over there and straighten them out that the real issue is that every one of those chemicals had an MSDS.  billy_56081 guarantees it. 

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« Reply #128 on: August 06, 2011, 03:48:55 AM »
Quit using petrolium products if you feel so strongly.
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« Reply #129 on: August 06, 2011, 06:38:13 AM »
The Greens are so phony.  Obama wants everyone to drive a government approved car just as Hitler did with the first VWs in Nazi Germany. However he and his family will travel from DC to NYC for dinner on a private jet paid for by the American peasants. His wife and kids jet around the world on spring break.  Al Gore has made millions from his socialist Green propaganda. But Al lives in a house the size of a stadium and jets around the world.  Where the hell does all this jet fuel come from? They hide under the cover of class warefare.  They feed their simple minded followers on sound bites. The rich private jet owners, oil companies pay no taxes, everyone is enslaved to the rich. Damn Green followers look that is who your leaders are.  The socialist mind is protected by hopes of getting rich at someone elses expense. ???

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« Reply #130 on: August 06, 2011, 12:00:30 PM »
I live in the northwestern part of one of the largest oil and natural gas fields in the United States and it is clean. If an accident happens which is very seldom the company responsible cleans it up. No goverment money or agency is involved in the clean up and it has been this way for many years. It is reported to the state Oil Conservation Commission but they are not involved except to say that it was done to comply with state rules and regulations. It is not just current accidents either. The operating companies have gone back and cleaned up most of the contamination from the early decades of petroleum production.

If you don't believe me come on out and I'll take a day and give you a guided tour.

Anyone notice how much the price of oil dropped last week? I guess all those greedy oil companies got their pockets about full and decided to let us have a break for awhile.  ;D ;D

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« Reply #131 on: August 06, 2011, 01:54:09 PM »
The Greens are so phony.  Obama wants everyone to drive a government approved car just as Hitler did with the first VWs in Nazi Germany. However he and his family will travel from DC to NYC for dinner on a private jet paid for by the American peasants. His wife and kids jet around the world on spring break.  Al Gore has made millions from his socialist Green propaganda. But Al lives in a house the size of a stadium and jets around the world.  Where the hell does all this jet fuel come from? They hide under the cover of class warefare.  They feed their simple minded followers on sound bites. The rich private jet owners, oil companies pay no taxes, everyone is enslaved to the rich. Damn Green followers look that is who your leaders are.  The socialist mind is protected by hopes of getting rich at someone elses expense. ???
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Some of that may be true...but what does that have to do with people trying be safe, have resource extraction companies cleanup their messes, or to have the prinicples be financially responsible for their actions....just like you and  I am...??
 
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    Let's face it whether Gore and the Obamas get their millions of gallons of petroleum they consume from American, Arabian, Russian, Mexican, Nigerian or Venezuelan fields  could be important.  You are concerned with leaving this world a cleaner place..making sure any messes are  cleaned up.
    Let's use the old gray matter a bit now...we all live on this "blue.green planet"..French, Americans, Nigerians, Russians, Chinese etc..
       We can assume that most on this forum would like to keep it clean ... Do not the people of the US have a better chance to intervene in any substandard operations if the drilling is done right here where we can and do, watch over and closely regulate any such activity..just as OLDANDSLOW..attested to us ? 
 
  Or should we simply 'trust'... Nigeria, Russia, Venezuela and Mexico to clean up any messes much more thoroughly and efficiently than we do ?
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« Reply #132 on: August 07, 2011, 08:20:04 AM »
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IG: We can assume that most on this forum would like to keep it clean ... Do not the people of the US have a better chance to intervene in any substandard operations if the drilling is done right here where we can and do, watch over and closely regulate any such activity..just as OLDANDSLOW..attested to us ? 
 

You mean like the BP catastrophe, or the yellowstone leak, or Valdez. The answer to your question is NO..certainly not on par with Norway or Brazil. Do you take responsibility for your actions...? I am sure you do. I say let these resource extraction corps carry on their business, but just like you and me, have the principle owners, stock owners, and principle management place their personal assets on the block when they screw up instead of taxpayers...that's a very TPer idea....and I bet there won't be half as many screw ups.
 
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Didn't the Valdez result in a major revision of Exxon's safety and responce policy, making them the gold standard that everyone else is measured by?  Yellowstone is a Major BS Media inflated non-event that is being cleaned up in short order.  And as for the BP Gulf spill, the oil companies were hampered at every tun by the Bunny huggers in our government who wanted to use the catastrophy to further thier political agenda's and extort money from BP.

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« Reply #133 on: August 07, 2011, 07:33:07 PM »
The world oil production is  mature at 90 million barrels. The world increase in use is 6% over this amount.  Well all of you who attack the producers and halt and tax the future of exploration, drilling to the uneducated. Get ready to really bitch that 6% loss in production will translate into $4.00 plus per gallon of gas by the first quarter of 2012.

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« Reply #134 on: August 08, 2011, 06:49:07 AM »
With 175-200 million vehicles in America using gasoline and diesel, they aren't going away anytime soon so we have to get more production now.  Drill for more.  In the meantime, fleets need to switch to natural gas cutting 40% of imported oil once the switch is complete.  Doing like Germany (which has 85% of their vehicles running diesel) will just about cut all imported oil since diesel gets better mileage by 20-30% over gasoline.  We have an 800 year supply of coal that can be more easily converted to diesel than gasoline, but it would cost about $4 a gallon to convert.  So if fuel gets to $4 a gallon then you will begin to see a big swicth to natural gas.  However there are no coal gasification plants yet.  Also, it will cost about $4 a gallon to use algae fuel.  Once fuel costs get and stay above $4 there will be a switch.  Hopefully we will use our coal to get jobs here, and not use algae fuel made in Brazil or some 3rd world jungle country, but make the algae fuel here. 

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« Reply #135 on: August 08, 2011, 06:48:41 PM »
Algae fuel is more socaliest snake oil. It would take flooded areas the size of Texas to produce enough energy to run America. And then where would you put the stupid wind mills.  Not on the east coast the Kennedy's don't want their view at Hyenas port distrub ed.

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« Reply #136 on: August 09, 2011, 03:47:02 AM »
According to experiments done by Exxon, who has invested $500 million in algae, it is better to grow it in greenhouses.  To fuel the whole nation, it would take an area the size of Rhode Island with greenhouse algae.  Problem is, it will cost over $4 a gallon to produce at this time.  They are breeding some algae to be 60% oil by body weight.  That is why I mentioned the cost. 
 
Right now we need to drill domestically, then begin coal gasification to make synthetic diesel, then as time goes on, algae will eventually take over, but this is 20-50 years out.  Natural gas is available now, so fleets can convert within 5 years.  Diesel is available now, this could be phased in like unleaded gas over 5-10 years as manufacturers retool.  Within 10 years if we start now, we can cut out imports.  Then, build and begin coal gasification and/or algae production.  It is going to have to happen sometimes, because the easily obtained oil in the middle east is going to begin running out in about 50 years.  We have about a 200 years supply of natural gas and 800 year supply of coal.  This gives us time with fuel we already have.
 
While this is being done, we can begin building more thromium nuclear power plants.  Thromium can't be made into bombs, and the decay life is much lower than uranium or plutonium.  It also produces about 1/10th the waste of traditional nuke plants.  Also windmills in the plains states sounds great, problem is the transmission lines east and west are not in place.  This can be done with tax credits to power companies.  Right now it is easier for them to build natural gas power plants which is a waste, and should be used for transportation fuel.  This is because of regulations in the nuclear industry as well as air pollution from coal.  So, I say use coal and natural gas for the transportation fuel, nukes and wind for power generation.  Government can help this with tarriff on imported oil with the money offsetting tax credits for wind transmission and coal gasification and natural gas conversions. 
 
The cost from the factory of a natural gas vehicle is about the same as gasoline, conversion of an existing gasoline vehicle is about $2,000.  Natural gas compressor stations are about $100,000.  Average diesel vehicle over a gasoline vehicle is also about $2-4,000.  Hybrids cost even more.  That is why Germany decided to go diesel.  Now they are working on diesel hybrids which get 75-100 mpg.  We are way behind the curve.  Synthetic diesel can be made at about $2 a gallon before tax, but the plant to make it is expensive to build.  It can be done, but it will take shifting tax policy with credits. 
 
In economics 101 I was taught that for every dollar you spend, it goes around 7 times and returns to you.  If our dollars are going overseas through imported oil, it isn't going around here creating jobs.  Anything we produce domestically produces jobs.  Oil is the biggest single imported item and using domestic fuel would make payback get us out of recession and cut our trade deficit in half, deliver more taxes to government without raising them, and provide jobs with healthcare.  It is a win-win-win situation.  Problem is too many far left enviromental wakos are keeping this from happening and are using the EPA to stop it from happening.  Believe me, I work in the natural gas industry.  We are trying to get fleets to convert to natural gas, problem is we can't get deals with gasoline stations to put in compressors.  We are slowly doing it.  Also with the raising of the mileage standards, you will probably see more diesel cars on the road in the next few years, since they get 20-30% better mileage than gasoline.  The process can be speeded up, if we had help from the government, not hinderances. 

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« Reply #137 on: August 09, 2011, 04:59:51 AM »
The natural gas we currently use in the US is 900-1100 btu's per cubic foot.  Average is 1,000.  There is a lot of gas that has 500-600 btu's per cubic foot, especially a byproduct of making clean coal.  We have considered using this low grade natural with hydrogen mix to get it to 1,000 btu's.  Hydrogen is 4 times as powerful as natural gas and burns clear, you can't see it burn.  So mixing it with low grade natural which is usually burned off, will still burn blue.  Lots of ideas out there and in the mix.  Like I said, just the dairy farms and feed stalls in America can produce all the residential natural gas, but it would cost twice as much to make.  So until all the domestic supplies are used up, we are not considering it for about 50 years.  Then we will probably use a blend of low grade natural and hydrogen with gas from farmers.  Long term future will convert the natural gas infrastructure to hydrogen, probably 100 years out. 

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« Reply #138 on: August 10, 2011, 04:02:32 PM »
TM7 +1 dude cheap and practical.

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« Reply #139 on: August 10, 2011, 05:06:01 PM »
But in the mean time we are foolishly importing oil.  We have enough oil domestically to keep us going for many decades just EPA and environmental groups won't let us drill for it.  It's not ten years to get it out of the ground as reported either.  All the oil companies say they can have it in the pipe in three.
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« Reply #140 on: August 11, 2011, 04:14:18 AM »
A while back, I was castigated for doubting that marcellus shale gas drillers openly revealed all the chemicals they used in fracking.  The claim was made that those wonderful bastions of free enterprise wouldn't dream of doing anything under the table or be less than totally forthcoming with everything they did.  In a recent Associated Press article, Michael Rubinkam had this to say,
     "A U.S. Department of Energy panel wants energy companies to reveal all the chemicals they use in a drilling technique that has allowed them to reach huge and previously inaccessible deposits of natural gas and paved the way for tens of thousands of new wells but that critics say could poison water supplies.
"The panel, convened by Energy Secretary Steven Chu at the request of President Barack Obama, contends there's little risk that the chemicals injected thousands of feet underground will ever reach shallow drinking water aquifers.  But with increasing public concern about the drilling process, called hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, there's no reason why companies can't publicly disclose all the ingredients, the panel said in a report being released today.
" 'In our judgment, they should disclose the entire suite of chemicals,' except in 'very rare' instances in which chemicals are judged to be truly proprietary, John Deutch, chairman of the Shale Gas Subcommittee of the Secretary of Energy Advisory Board, told the Associated Press."
That sure doesn't sound like there has, heretofore, been universal open disclosure of chemicals used in fracking, now does it?

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« Reply #141 on: August 11, 2011, 04:21:53 AM »
Well, I work in the natural gas industry.  Basically it is just lubricating fluids for drill head.  We have used soybean or vegatable oil sometimes because it is supposed to break down naturally.  There are different ways to do it.  Some are secret so a competitor won't use the same. 

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« Reply #142 on: August 11, 2011, 03:39:34 PM »
Well fracking has been used in this area for 60 years without groundwater contamination. We have excellent quality ground water in this area. You can't tell any difference between it and the purified water that is available. Seems like a pretty good record to me.

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« Reply #143 on: August 12, 2011, 08:41:50 AM »
Like I said, just wasting bandwidth. I'm done.

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« Reply #144 on: August 12, 2011, 12:04:06 PM »
Mother nature has her own "fracking" operation going on 24/7!
There are stress fields all over this planet and these are always causing sometimes minute changes in the geology of the earth and sometimes major catastropic events.
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« Reply #145 on: August 12, 2011, 06:52:27 PM »
Hydrogen cannot be transported or stored in currently used systems. It is the smallest molecule and will leak through connections and fittings we now use. It would make a wonderful fuel it is just hard to contain. Some hydrocarbon projects and facilitys use helium to leak test a facility because it will leak through much more easily than hydrocarbon gases. Heliun is twice as big as hydrogen. Hydrogen also has a wide flammability range in ratio to oxygen which makes it very dangerous in the case of a leak.
 By the way if the Great Gov't would allow mineral extraction on all federal lands their cut would be enough in the form of royalty checks and taxes collected on everything some estimates are that it would be enough to totally pay off the national debt.
 

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Re: For all you oil drilling lovers
« Reply #146 on: August 17, 2011, 08:01:16 AM »
Hydrogen cannot be transported or stored in currently used systems. It is the smallest molecule and will leak through connections and fittings we now use. It would make a wonderful fuel it is just hard to contain. Some hydrocarbon projects and facilitys use helium to leak test a facility because it will leak through much more easily than hydrocarbon gases. Heliun is twice as big as hydrogen. Hydrogen also has a wide flammability range in ratio to oxygen which makes it very dangerous in the case of a leak.
 By the way if the Great Gov't would allow mineral extraction on all federal lands their cut would be enough in the form of royalty checks and taxes collected on everything some estimates are that it would be enough to totally pay off the national debt.

Right now the easiest and cheapest way to get H is by breaking natural gas.  Leaving Carbon and Carbon Dioxide.  More energy is needed to make H from water than you get from the hydrogen as a fuel.  Solar pannels can be used but at the same time the solar pannels can just be making power.  In the mid 80's my science classwanted to enter the Australian solar power race.  We came up with an idea to use Hydrogen and Oxygen in a suburban (for roof space) and using solar power to rip the O2 and H apart and condense them.  The water vapor (exhaust)  would be collected to be used to rip apart  to make H and O2.  We figured we could go 100 Miles a day and use the alternator or two to extend that range to 150 Miles.  The down side was we needed a day in the sun to recharge.  A lighter framed car may work better.  A 50 to 75 mile a day car is a commuter, not a viable transportation for our type of driving.  Yes it will work for all of the runing around for the weekend taking kids to and from soccer, but will not take them to Disney world or land unless you live very close.  plus you have to park outside, not garage and winter you have to worry about freezing the water tank. 
 

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« Reply #147 on: August 17, 2011, 01:22:13 PM »
TM says;
 " Algae doesn't need to be grown in one or a few location and centrally controlled...the beauty is perhaps homeowners can do Algae if they want...extraction is realtively simple...rupture cells, express oil, and filter or centrifuge....zero carbon and simpler than ETOH,,,feedstuff by products....new hydrogen technology by a photo leaf system seems promising with great net BTU gain...and the simple liquification of hydrogen seems eminent soon to use conventional distribution systems. Also, polymerization of CO2 into liquid fuel bonds....so many possibilies away from old fashion resource extraction"
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 Well guys, you're getting crude oil from the algae..
  Now do you have a handy tabletop refinery to make gasoline & oils.  Of course, then you will have a cracking tower in your backyard to separate the kerosene, diesel, fuel oil. petroleum distillates.
    In your front yard you can have the additives such as detergents, drygas, and of course the 10% ethanol which most blue states have mandated.
  But remember how Obama and other libs hate "big oil"  ;)   ;D ....oil producers will have to "cough up" a pretty good sum, unless they have a bank of lawyers to watch over their business.
  Naturally, everyone involved in the much hated by libs "petroleum industry" will have reama of reports to file, endure EPA inspections and be ready to pay millions in fines for any leakage or spillage.
  Of course, managing the greenhouse, refinery, cracking tower and chem lab..along with the voluminous daily paperwork may take say..10-12 hours daily..then somebody must be there to satisfy EPA inspectors....hmmm
 
      .....Yup, wonderful idea guys !
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« Reply #148 on: August 17, 2011, 05:33:00 PM »
Argue all this until you drop. Jimma Carter pulled this same anti-Big oil crap years ago. Carter like Obama damn near wrecked this nation. High interest rates no jobs and lines at gas stations. We got rid of this idiot and and started producing oil again. The years from 1973 until 1982 saw the largest energy boom in U.S. history.  Obama  is a complete failure as was Carter. The year Obama is gone we will see a major energy boom once more. The energy  companies are already getting their ducks in a row.

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« Reply #149 on: August 18, 2011, 06:04:51 AM »
Notice that Texas has produced 40% of all new jobs in America during this recession.  Most non government jobs are in the oil and gas industry.  SO, if Obama would allow offshore drilling, drilling on government lands, drilling in Alaska.  It would lower the unemployment rate about 2-3% just in the energy industry alone. 
 
Wake up, our country runs on petroleum products and natural gas.  175-200 million vehicles, small engines, drugs, chemicals, paints, plastics, need oil or gas.  20% of electricity is generated using natural gas.  50% of homes are heated and use natural gas water heaters.  Ships use diesel and kerosene for fuel.  Fuel oil is used in about 10% of homes.  Propane is used in about 20% of homes.  Drill, build pipelines, get America back to work. 
 
In the meantime swich fleets to natural gas, switch most, but not all vehicle transportation to diesel.  This will cut imports. 
 
Build more nuclear power plants, build transmission lines to plains states to pick up the wind power. 
 
The energy sector alone, would help get us out of recession.
 
I have another great idea.  Give 401-k owners a one time no tax break to withdraw as much as 25% of their 401-k's to pay down or pay off their mortgages and/or for a young person, the down payment on a new home if it is at least 20% of the new home value.  This alone would restimulate the housing market, and help alleviate the mortgage crisis problem and help put peoples money back into home ownership so they will have too much invested in their homes to walk away from their mortgages.