Moving beyond Gen Smedley Butler..

[ironglow]

   Some here point to Gen Smedley Butler as a sage, which he may have been some 76 years ago, when he wrote "War is a Racket" in 1935.  But since then we have had WW2, the Korean conflict, Vietnam and the Gulf wars, not to mention many other 'side-show' fights. The world of diplomacy hasn't been any different; failure to prevent WW2, the rise and spread of comminism, the many turmoils of the nations (inter & intra that is) the spread of Islam in a poisonous manner, the failure of Russian communism etc.  Even the much repeated "military-industrial" phrase by Gen Eisenhower (usually taken far out of context) is 60 years removed from today's fast moving events.  However, the stubborn Marxist disciples are still with us and have spread like cockroaches to many other places in the world. Cuba,Vietnam, Venezuela etc, disguised as socialists,  Fabian socialists, progressives and other deceptive terms...other than to admit it is communism.
          So; let's hear from a recently retired general, with expertise in the field.  A man who is "updated" from 60 or 75 years ago to 2011.  I learned here of something kept very hidden in the "Health Care bill"..Check at about the 3:50 to 4:50 mark;
   
   http://www.morningstartv.com/oak-initiative/marxism-america
 
  You remember the 2,500 pages all the Demoncrats voted for without reading ?  Do you REALLY believe they have since taken time to read carefully, the 2,500 pages they have now put into law ?

[powderman]

Good for him. But I think the libby dems already know this and are hoping the rest of us ignore it. Libs are like a millstone around Americas neck. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

  All the more reason this video should be spread far and wide !

[powderman]

Don't think I'm familiar with general boykin. POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

Wow - Smedes was something. We should be listening to him now - he doesn't sound all that out-of-date. Is he out of fashion?

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

[Lost Farmboy]

  Gen Smedley Butler


He's the general that Prescott Bush and friends tried to recruit in the 1933 coup attempt. Butler played along with the plot long enough to find out what their plans were and reported it to congress. The hearings are still in the congressional records. Their plan was to overthrow the US government and side with Hitler in WW2. They were also secretly funding Hitler. After WW2 some of the assets Prescott used to fund Hitler were confiscated.


If I had known about this and skull and bones before I would never have vote for a Bush.

[billy_56081]

Lost can you provide a link the those congressional records? Or is this one of these things you heard was true?

[ironglow]

  As I said, Butler's book is over 75 years in the past...  How much has changed in the last 75 years in , wars, alliances, electronics, communications, political intrigues the space age, communications, politics, civil rights, weaponry and national lineups ?  Then consider, Butler was one of perhaps 4,000 retired generals who did not have such complaints.  Do you suppose he was completely correct and the other 39,999 completely wrong ?
  In any case, Gen Boykin is completely up to date including the subjects listed above, and he is not alone !  Butler was a gen of the old horse cavalry, while Boykin is a recent Special Forces, military intelligence general who has served among a dealt with the people, tribes, religions and nations he is speaking about...as current as today's headlines.
  I know he doesn't fit the pre-framed picture some of you have cooked-up, but it is time to face the CURRENT TRUTHS...

[us920669]

I just watched Boykin again, and he only makes passing reference to Islamic terrorists once, in the context of the outrageous Homeland Security document identifying conservative Americans as the threat.  There is nothing about these country-specific wars in MENA, which are certainly controversial.  Boykin's focus is mainly on the collectivization of American society, a very worrisome development  on the domestic front.  The idea of a government-backed left wing militia is particularly chilling.


If I could find fault with Boykin, it is because he only sees this in the Marxist context.  The word fascist could just as easily be used.

[ironglow]

  Correct us920....  Boykin is not so much anti foreign nations as he is pro American.  He outlines the threats facing our nation; much of it coming from within...and basically from the left...

[ironglow]

TM;
  You simply must brush up on your 'quantitive thinking'...  Gen Boykin IS pro-American, and obviously behooves him to be up to date on eventys and movements around the world, in order to be best prepared to defend America from outside attacks and influences..DUH !
  You say Old Smedly is "right on"; well he may have been 75 years ago, but some events/developments have transpired since 1935 !
  On the other hand, Gen Boykin is fully aware of such things as the UN, the 'cold war', WW2, Korea, Vietnam, the altered face of Europe..both immediately after WW2 and after the fall of the 'iron curtain"..  Naturally, old Smedley would be shaking his head and asking; "iron curtain,..what iron curtain" ?
  Then there's TV, the space age, visits to the moon, space shuttle, computers, antibiotics (Smedley didn't even know penicillin)..  Do you see where you're sitting ?
  Then there is the rise of radical Islam, which among other atrocities, destroyed the world's 2 tallest buildings.  Now of course, old Smedley is going to ask; " TWO tallest buildings ?...Don't hand me that; I know they are about to complete the ONE tallest building..the EMPIRE STATE building"..
          So you see, TM and Yellow...for one to base foreign or domestic policy purely on a book written 75 years ago, would be a mistake of catastrophic proportions !  Nice for a window with a view toward the past..but Gen Boykin has taken Smedley's observations and considered all that has occured since and formed a plausible explanation.
     Come on out of your cave !

[ironglow]