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Language Discrimination Y'all!
« on: July 08, 2011, 01:52:56 PM »
It really irks me that "y'all" and "all y'all" aren't considered grammatically proper.  They simply make a lot of linguistic sense.  If you ask me, Northerners are controlling our language.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8204925/yall_should_be_considered_proper_english.html?cat=37

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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 04:04:20 PM »
That's fixin to change.
The difference between people who do stuff and people who don't do stuff is that the people who do stuff do stuff.

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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2011, 06:27:23 PM »
I sure hope so.  I'd like nothing better than to start and e-mail at work with y'all . . .  :)

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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2011, 12:38:43 AM »
Some guy in NY said Youse guys are right.
Pak the car---Youse guys fit in.
Actually--I like dialects and find them interesting more than offensive.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 02:23:40 AM »
I would agree Gatordude.  Do ya'll see dialects being blended in America these days?  It seems that with the McDonaldization and Walmartization of America local dialects and accents are being diluted, maybe fading.

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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 03:12:40 AM »
Well, it is actually because we move around so much and we distribute and claim other dialect and customs.
When I grew up we thought it stupid to put catsup on much of the stuff we do now. Like tennis shoes--tennis shoes were for gym not wearing for shoes.
Hamburgers were unknown and fast food was P&J sandwich.
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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2011, 03:38:43 AM »
Blended dialects are more of a result of television, along with urbanization as WL suggests.

There is a significant difference in the way you speak and the way a person of similar age,  area and circumstances from 60 years ago would speak, and the difference is time spent in front the TV.


Also, I think words are easier to adopt than dialects.
You will hear urban northerners adopt words like yall fairly quickly.
And you might hear some teenager from the mountains of WV say "w'sup, g-money snoop home dog?".
But the Bostonian will still swap an R for an H, as in "Let's pahk the cah, yall".
And an Alabamian would no sooner pronounce the "g" on the end of a word, as they would use a turn signal on a car, or put sugar on grits.   
 
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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 04:25:59 AM »
Blended dialects are more of a result of television, along with urbanization as WL suggests.

There is a significant difference in the way you speak and the way a person of similar age,  area and circumstances from 60 years ago would speak, and the difference is time spent in front the TV.


Also, I think words are easier to adopt than dialects.
You will hear urban northerners adopt words like yall fairly quickly.
And you might hear some teenager from the mountains of WV say "w'sup, g-money snoop home dog?".
But the Bostonian will still swap an R for an H, as in "Let's pahk the cah, yall".And an Alabamian would no sooner pronounce the "g" on the end of a word, as they would use a turn signal on a car, or put sugar on grits.



Now that's funny right there... ;D

But all of y'all are right...

Most times we Southerners not only do not pronounce the G at the end of a word, we don't even write it any more.

I'm goin to fix breakfast y'all. I'll be back directly.

LOVE the topic!!  ;D

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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 04:49:04 AM »
Act the way you would like to be, and soon you will be the way you act.

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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 06:00:43 AM »
Uff Da !


Spent 9 months in Lacrosse Wisconsin about 30 years ago.
Heard it a lot.
Never got a good explanation of what that meant.
Assumed it meant something like "oh, wow!", until I said it to some folks on a church building trip in Eau Claire last month.
Must have several meanings.
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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 06:06:55 AM »

I'm goin to fix breakfast y'all. I'll be back directly.



I'mo carry my family over to your place for breakfast. We're all kindly hungry.
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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 07:24:26 AM »

I'm goin to fix breakfast y'all. I'll be back directly.



I'mo carry my family over to your place for breakfast. We're all kindly hungry.

Y'all come on. Settin another place at the table for you. You want coffee or sweet tea?  LOL ;D

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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2011, 07:58:39 AM »
 There are dialects that are like a foreign lingo to me. ;)
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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2011, 08:18:01 AM »
Uff Da !


Spent 9 months in Lacrosse Wisconsin about 30 years ago.
Heard it a lot.
Never got a good explanation of what that meant.
Assumed it meant something like "oh, wow!", until I said it to some folks on a church building trip in Eau Claire last month.
Must have several meanings.

When people axe me what it means I've always told them it means "Well done" or 'Good job" since that is the context in which I have heard, and used, it the most.   From the link it would seem to be more like the Russian "nichevo."

SBG, would you be wantin me to bring some honey for the biscuits?
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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 08:54:16 AM »
All this talk about grits!!  I want some biscuits, grits, fried apples, skillet gravy country ham and a big cup off coffee!  SBG, if it's southern sweet tea, Ga style, YES! I'll have some. 

I'd like my eggs "runny" please.  Cook my grits thick.  I'll put my grits on my runny eggs, butter and pepper please!.  Stir that up and it'll make your tongue slap your brains out!

Then, I'll use my biscuit to "sop" up the gravy, runny part of the egg.........maybe have a second biscuit (or 4) with some butter and molasses!!

How ya'll like that?

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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2011, 11:12:07 AM »
Never really got a taste for cornmeal mush (grits).  Maybe let it set up, then slice it and fry it in sausage grease.

Now cornbread, no sugar mind, piping hot and dripping with butter...mmmm BOY!  Coffee sweetened with molasses or dark brown sugar and lightened with cream.  Biscuits, fried salt pork, sausage, fried potatoes would round it out to a real feast.

More biscuits with honey or molasses for after.
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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2011, 04:26:48 AM »
I didn't know any other kind of tea existed lc...  ;)

I just finished off a big ole plate of grits and eggs, with thick-sliced bacon, sawmill gravy over homemade biscuits, and I had 3 glasses of tea to wash it down. I don't like coffee in hot weather.

I like my grits salty and buttered real good, and they have to be thick enough to eat with a fork. I don't want to have to chase 'em around the plate!!  ;D Sometimes I use milk in my grits, but not always. And you ain't Southern if you don't like shrimp & grits!! OMG!!! That's a dish fit for a king, any time of the day or night.

If I have fried eggs, they are usually over medium (white done, with thickened but still runny yolk), but if they are scrambled, I prefer soft-scrambled over well done (better flavor).

Biscuits are always homemade, with bacon grease (or Crisco if I'm runnin low on bacon grease) and buttermilk, with a special "secret" ingredient that creates the crispiest, flakiest crust you ever saw...  ;) I always use my grandmother's hand-carved wooden bowl to make biscuits. It's the easiest thing in the world to make 'em in. My Mama likes to "squeeze" her biscuits off but I like to roll mine out and cut 'em. Mama pressed hers down into a 11" skillet and they touch on all sides. For them that don't know, that's called a "cat-head" biscuit, because it's actually shaped like a cat's head, except for the one in the middle. And it's usually shaped like a stop sign.  ;D
 
If I have ham, I prefer sugar cured over salt cured. Sometimes I have bacon and sausage. Love deer sausage if it's fresh, or not frozen for very long.
We grill our sausage around here. We had grilled deer sausage dogs at the July 4th Fireworks supper. ;D

All this has made me hungry again so I'm fixin to go see if anything's left over.  ;)

Y'all have a blessed day, ya hear?


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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2011, 11:20:14 AM »
I prefer to pig out on sushi ;D ;D ;)
You can keep your catfish, frog legs and (barf) sweet tea.
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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2011, 06:39:22 PM »
You can't get much further north than where I live in NY, but I love to watch and listen to Paula Deen as she cooks up southern recipes. In my travels in the US, it seems like the area from Virginia on down, the folks are more friendly and quick to "fix" something to eat or to stop and offer assistance.
Paula Deen is always "fixin" something. I like that.
People's grammer, dialect, expressions, etc. are unique to them and perhaps their local area. I think it adds to the spice of life.
If cat fish are the same as bullheads, I can eat a skillet full of them, a little fried potatoes, and a sip of shine, life doesn't get any better.
 
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Re: Language Discrimination Y'all!
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2011, 07:38:45 PM »
I spent a year behind Yankee lines when I was in high school and I learned how to say Downeast Maine things like "Ayuh" and "Di-yah."  It definitely gave the area character.  Of course, they couldn't see the complete, good sense, behind "y'all" up there either.  :D