Do Mexican Immigrants Assimilate?

[nw_hunter]

Since most Mexican Immigrants are (ILLEGAL)There is no way they will assimilate into the American mainstream, and our government does nothing to encourage assimilation. As a matter of fact it appears the opposite is true.


U.S. - MEXICO SOCCER GAME ILLUSTRATES A BIG ASSIMILATION PROBLEM

 
By Allan Wall
 July 8, 2011
 NewsWithViews.com

Immigration from Mexico to the U.S. is a controversial topic. So is the state of the immigrants and their descendents in the United States.

A problem with the treatment of the subject is that it's often presented in a very one-sided manner. The U.S. Mainstream Media, and certainly the Mexican media, presents any sort of opposition to legal or even illegal immigration as evidence of "racism," "xenophobia," or "hate." Immigrants, including illegal aliens, are regularly presented as innocent victims.

This sort of knee-jerk melodrama is quite unfair to the majority of American citizens, who certainly do not hate Mexico or Mexicans, but do believe their immigration laws should be respected.

I learned a lot about the subject while residing in Mexico, listening to regular Mexicans and the media talk about the subject.

What I finally concluded was that Mexicans have completely different views of immigration from that of ordinary Americans, whereas the American media/political elite has very different views from that of most Americans.

The traditional view of immigration in the U.S. is that immigrants come to our country because they want to become Americans, and then they become Americans. Most Americans still believe that immigrants should assimilate, that is, learn English and become loyal Americans.

In contrast, the U.S. political/media elite support multiculturalism and think regular Americans should accomodate the immigrants.

Living in Mexico, I learned how Mexicans viewed emigration to the U.S. Mexicans don't believe that Mexican emigrants who become U.S. citizens cease to be Mexicans. They are always considered Mexicans. Even grandchildren or great-grandchildren of Mexican immigrants, born in the U.S., are still considered Mexicans.

Meanwhile, the Mexican government, through its diplomatic corps, openly meddles in U.S. immigration policy. Disturbingly, the Mexican government also claims jurisdiction over Mexican-Americans. What objective observe would not think this is a problem?
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In Mexico, contradictory messages are sent out. On the one hand, it's said that Mexicans are treated horribly in the United Statese. On the other hand, they shouldn't leave the United States, and they fight to remain. What's going on? If Mexicans were treated so horribly in the U.S., why would they be going there in droves and fighting to stay ?

Middle-class Americans don't want their neighborhoods overrun by illegal aliens who don't speak the language, drive down wage levels, and disproportionately use government services. For this they are called "racist". But would Mexicans allow the same thing in their own country?

Regarding immigration in general, it's highly doubtful that mass emigration to the United States is helping Mexico develop. I think it impedes Mexico's development. Mass emigration doesn't encourage Mexico's political and business elite to solve Mexico's problems and develop Mexico's economy. In fact, it causes many social problems by splitting up families and encouraging Mexicans to leave Mexico rather than solve the problems in their own country.

Mexico's real friends in the U.S are not those who encourage open borders. Consider California Congressman Darrell Issa for example, Issa is an immigration restrictionist, not an open borders supporter. Yet it's Representative Issa who is spearheading the investigation of the destructive "Project Gunrunner" program, in which high-ranking U.S. officials intentionally allowed arms to read the hands of Mexican drug cartels. Congressman Issa has actually traveled to Mexico to meet with Mexican officials. The Obama Administration, meanwhile, continues to stonewall. Who are the real friends of Mexico here?

A recent soccer game illustrated the problem of assimilation in the United States. In Pasadena, California, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams faced each other. The audience, mostly composed of American citizens of Mexican ancestry born in the U.S.A., overwhelmingly supported Mexico. Anti-American unsportsmanlike conduct was rampant.

[Empty Quiver]

I fully understand the place you are heading with this post and pretty much agree.
 
 
But...  Last night i was at Wally World and over heard a conversation between several girls. They were laughing and questioning the display of stuffing mix. Something to the effect of why in the world was WM pimping Thanksgiving in July. These girls were clearly of recent Mexican citizens, I was taken aback as they had little accent and were quite Americanized. I expected to look up and see the normal Mn. Swedes to be honest.
 
There is hope... I mean the dang Swedes have pretty much ruined Mn. what with the ludefisk and leffse. A good German can hardly throw a bratwurst without hitting one. We need to be aware though, and I do get it.
 
 

[mcwoodduck]

Empty Quiver,
I understand what you are saying.  That as groups come here they bring their culture, customs, and foods with them.  As you pointed out, bratwurst has gone main stream.  I would say so has the taco and all of the versions of it.
The problem we have is with the Germans, Italians, Irish, Eastern Europeans, and Asians all wanted to be Americans.  The Mexicans want their kids to be Americans so they can stay here and take $ back to Mexico.  None of the Mexicans want to be Americans and they see the riches we have because of our system and they want the riches not the system that makes the riches.  Our government makes it too easy for them not to assymilate.  Especally here in CA where shcools are tought in Spanish, all the forms to steal $ from tax payers in order to get the kids of these illegals to vote for the Democrats, if not have them illegally vote.  After all they think our laws do not matter and are a joke.  We need to stick some teeth into our extradition policy.  All we do is send them back to mexico for a vacation with the famiuly for a weekend and they come back for the next week.  We need to deport everyone to Afganistan or Iraq on the planes going over to bring supplies and troops back.

[powderman]

Most want nothing to do with being Americans, but a few of them do, and that is great. Theres NO REASON for schools anywhere in America to be taught in spanish, we speak ENGLISH here. Ballots, road signs, etc should be in ENGLISH. They refuse to learn and speak english, GET OUT. Many of them are only interested in the perks, wefare, education, free food and rent, and in the meantime set up their own little tijuanas and go yabbadabbadooooo all day. POWDERMAN. 

[us920669]

Ditto all above.  This is an incredibly complex subject, and it's too bad the "easy answer" crowd always dominates the debate.  Mexicans come because their own country is practically a failed state, and because even in this economy there are jobs here.  In my opinion, the US War on Drugs is a major contributor to this unhappy situation.  Some of our Spanish speaking friends may also harbor resentment over the way the US extended sovereignty over the southwest during the 19th Century.  I'm not terribly sympathetic on this one - I think it was a case of our country having its act together while theirs did not - but everyone is entitled to his opinion. 


Gun people, at least from the older generations, are familiar with the work of Col. Charles Askins.  In one of his early books he wrote of his days with the Border Patrol in the southwest during the WW II era.  By his account there was a close range gun fight almost every night along the Rio Grande as traffickers kept trying to bring in an amazing number of illegals.  The book also made snide reference to J Edger Hoover, the FBI and the Washington political establishment in general.  It doesn't take a lot of imagination to put it all together.  With millions of men in the army and millions more in defense plants, there wasn't anyone left to grow the food.  Illegal immigrants were vital to the war effort.  The tragedy of it was that a small group of dedicated officers were legally and morally obligated to stop them, and some paid with their lives.  I'm not sure how significant this is today, but it is food for thought.       

[us920669]

I see this will be a hot one - two posts came while I was typing and the system didn't stop me.  Anyway, let me share another anecdote.  My first girlfriend was as American as apple pie, but both parents where born somewhere in the Russian Empire and came with the throngs of Jewish people around the turn of the 20th Century.  They spoke no English and the New York schools used nothing but English, but both of those people got PhDs and had excellent government careers.  Multiculturalism is toxic.

[BBF]

 
 
To me this is an easy answer.
How many politicians, newsperson, actors etc of hispanic decent are  NOT pushing for some amnesty program or have no problems ignoring the laws of the country when it comes to immigration?
 
Dual loyalties again !!

[Empty Quiver]

I think the shear numbers are the root of the problem. Couple the volume with a media that is in full support of those unwilling to assimalate and here we are.
 
Those girls are what the future hopefully holds for the country. The mexicans I have talked with seem to like the "old country" but agree it is a mess and are happy to leave it behind, a nice place to visit but wouldn't want to live there, if you will.

[mauser98us]

Not very well.There is a couple areas here in Phoenix where I grew up{I'm 55 years old} that were of mixed ethnic working class folks in the late sixties mid seventies. All the signage for businesses has been changed to Espanol. If I could blinfold you and not tell you were you were,drop you in there, you would think you are somewhere in Mexico. Now being a native of Az, let me state, I love the mexican heritage and all the things about it. The problem is, they have made it so one does not have to assimulate.  Too bad what Mexico has done to it's own people.

[gr8ful]

For English press 1 ... nuff said. 

[hillbill]

here in sw MO we have a lot of immigrants, mostly spanish and veitnamese, they make no effort to fraternize with the locals and will not wave or acknowledge yu on the road even if they live close to you.even neighbors that dont care for each other will wave or even help yu change a flat or give yu a ride around here.the latinos wont have anything to do with white people at all.doesnt really seem like either one of them want to be part of our society at all. im not a racist this is just my observations.

[GRIMJIM]

The ones that do assimilate have a way better chance at becoming a welcomed and successfull part of this country.
I have a friend that married a hispanic girl (legal), she had two children from a previous marriage. Her mother (illegal) ran the household and had the kids enrolled in Spanish speaking only classes.
The first thing he did when they got married was pull the kids out of those classes and enroll them in a school that had a regular curriculum.
He said and I agree, " You are dooming your children to a life of lawn service."
Honestly this is a touchy subject. If I were born there and couldn't come here legally. I'd probably do the same and come here illegally to give my childrren a better chance at a good life. Look at Mexico, it's a dunghole compared to America. But one of if not the first thing I would do is learn the language and try to assimilate into the local culture.

[powderman]

They spoke no English and the New York schools used nothing but English, but both of those people got PhDs and had excellent government careers.  Multiculturalism is toxic.
 
 
THanks, you proved what I've said for years. POWDERMAN. 

[ratdog]

you can go to a lot of trouble trying to or getting these people to assimilate and they will still hate white people.but i have finally come to the conclusion there are to many of them here now and are government doesn't care.i see no fixing the problem.

[Dee]

Empty Quiver,
I understand what you are saying.  That as groups come here they bring their culture, customs, and foods with them.  As you pointed out, bratwurst has gone main stream.  I would say so has the taco and all of the versions of it.
The problem we have is with the Germans, Italians, Irish, Eastern Europeans, and Asians all wanted to be Americans.  The Mexicans want their kids to be Americans so they can stay here and take $ back to Mexico.  None of the Mexicans want to be Americans and they see the riches we have because of our system and they want the riches not the system that makes the riches.  Our government makes it too easy for them not to assymilate.  Especally here in CA where shcools are tought in Spanish, all the forms to steal $ from tax payers in order to get the kids of these illegals to vote for the Democrats, if not have them illegally vote.  After all they think our laws do not matter and are a joke.  We need to stick some teeth into our extradition policy.  All we do is send them back to mexico for a vacation with the famiuly for a weekend and they come back for the next week.  We need to deport everyone to Afganistan or Iraq on the planes going over to bring supplies and troops back.

Mr. Duck you are indeed 100% correct. I dealt with illegals constantly in my law enforcement career. They come into the country illegally, get on welfare and other programs illegally, and either already know, or learn from other illegals how to further exploit these programs. They buy junk cars and don't get insurance, with very sloppy, or no, driving skills, and have, as you said, very little regard for our laws, or our rights. They also live on almost nothing here, and send much of their money back to family in Mexico, adding very little to the economy, past being a burden.
This mentality is several hundred years old. Mexico claimed Texas for about 400 years, but was able to establish less than 3,000 settlers. All they really wanted was it's wealth. When they made a deal with Stephen F. Austin, he had in excess of 33,000 settlers in Texas in less than 3 years. Austin quickly found out that Mexico intended to provide NOTHING in the way of services such as protection from the Indians. All Mexico wanted was: ONCE AGAIN, it's wealth, and taxed the hell out to the new settlers. The Comanche, and Apache, hated the Mexicans as they knew their ways, and basically kept them ran out of Texas for centuries. The Mexican culture has changed little since then. SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.

[BUGEYE]

you have only to ride down the middle of the yucatan to understand why the want to come here.
on the other hand, if the government wasn't so corrupt they would want to stay. they have a lot of natural resources that could make a nice country down there. (oil and gold) but there's that corruption thing.
most of those those that come here are still loyal to mexico and have no intention of assimilating.
we need a real man in the whitehouse who will enforce the law and if we don't get one we will soon be known as north mexico.
btw, my daughter, who is mexican, hates mexican men. she says they undress young girls with their eyes.

[BBF]

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......................................................btw, my daughter, who is mexican, hates mexican men. she says they undress young girls with their eyes.

Specifically on that issue alone they do not have a monopoly.

[BUGEYE]

scatter, they just aren't as subtle as most others.

[rwng]

Are there any immegration quota laws still on the books? That is how the U.S. used to ensure at least some assimilation into the country. It looks like Mexico was never restricted. (although this list could just be from across the ocean)
 
 

In response to growing public opinion against the flow of immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe in the years following World War I, Congress passed first the Quota Act of 1921 then the even more restrictive Immigration Act of 1924 (the Johnson-Reed Act). Initially, the 1924 law imposed a total quota on immigration of 165,000—less than 20 percent of the pre-World War I average. It based ceilings on the number of immigrants from any particular nation on the percentage of each nationality recorded in the 1890 census—a blatant effort to limit immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, which mostly occurred after that date. In the first decade of the 20th century, an average of 200,000 Italians had entered the United States each year. With the 1924 Act, the annual quota for Italians was set at less than 4,000. This table shows the annual immigration quotas under the 1924 Immigration Act.
 

 

 
 

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Eastern and Southern Europe

Other Countries

Country Quota Country Quota Country Quota Germany 51,227 Poland 5,982 Africa (other than Egypt) 1,100 Great Britain and Northern Ireland 34,007 Italy 3,845 Armenia 124 Irish Free State (Ireland) 28,567 Czechoslovakia 3,073 Australia 121 Sweden 9,561 Russia 2,248 Palestine 100 Norway 6,453 Yugoslavia 671 Syria 100 France 3,954 Romania 603 Turkey 100 Denmark 2,789 Portugal 503 Egypt 100 Switzerland 2,081 Hungary 473 New Zealand & Pacific Islands 100 Netherlands 1,648 Lithuania 344 All others 1,900 Austria 785 Latvia 142 Belgium 512 Spain 131 Finland 471 Estonia 124 Free City of Danzig 228 Albania 100 Iceland 100 Bulgaria 100 Luxembourg 100 Greece 100 Total (Number) 142,483 Total (Number) 18,439 Total (Number) 3,745 Total (%) 86.5 Total (%) 11.2 Total (%) 2.3 (Total Annual immigrant quota: 164,667) Source: Statistical Abstract of the United States (Washington, D.C. Government Printing Office, 1929), 100

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[S.E.Ak]

There are no Mexicans only descendent's of Spain a concurring country still at it through the back door disguised as a different peoples that don't exist

[mcwoodduck]

There are no Mexicans only descendent's of Spain a concurring country still at it through the back door disguised as a different peoples that don't exist

What?
Mexico is a country, people from it are Mexicans  Like people from the United States are called Americans.
We are not descendents of England, France, Holland, Spain or Russia (all owned pats of what has become The united States)  Or are you saying that native Americans are not Americans.
We are a nation as we share a common set if ideals.  the back ground of the many different parts of the world bringing what is great here and living under the idea that you can be great, it has nothing to do with your parents, who they were, you can be the leader, a billionaire or just live the American dream of a fufilling job and family.
For the most part everyone comming here wants to be an American.  Live under our laws and beable to provide a life for your kids so they can have a better life than you.  The problems I see are, for the most part the Mexicans do not want to be Anerican and have to intention to follow our laws as a whole.  Sure we have criminals that have taken our freedom and exploited it but they are a minority. 
 

[S.E.Ak]

But it was not America when they were here first.A large part was Mexcio ruled and populated by spain.Do not mexicans speek spanish just like spain

[rwng]

A friend of mine rants about people calling him Hispanic. He says: "I searched the atlas and can't find Hispainia anywhere. I am from Mexico, I'm Mexican."

[mcwoodduck]

But it was not America when they were here first.A large part was Mexcio ruled and populated by spain.Do not mexicans speek spanish just like spain

Yes Spain conqured the Aztecs and created Mexico.  They do speak Spanish.  But Mexico has been owned by other countries.
France, Austria it has been independant for a while, and yes the 13 families that pretty much own the country are of Spanish decent.
During the Civil war France took Mexico as we were involved in the war and could not enforce the Monroe doctrine.  Austria / Germany then took Mexico in a treaty after a war with France.  Cinco De Mayo is about pesants fighting the French army.
The Mexican music, the Mariachi is a version of German Ompa PA Pa due to being owned by the Austians last.  I am sure had the Austrians or French stayed longer we would have German or French being spoken south of us.

[mcwoodduck]

A friend of mine rants about people calling him Hispanic. He says: "I searched the atlas and can't find Hispainia anywhere. I am from Mexico, I'm Mexican."

Hispanola, the island that has Hati and the Dominican Republic on it.  A hispanic is someone from Hispanola.  So could be Dominican or Hatian.  Terms are started and then applied to others similar to them.  the word WOP to that was posted to Italians after the second world war.  The WOP ment With Out Papers.  Meaning he was smuggled here and can not legally work and needed to be paid under the table.  Much like FOB (Fresh off the Boat) is applied to Asians and pacific islanders.  Little languange or social skills dealing with our coulture.  Heck in China they do not have the concept of lines.  Once a week now they have loine days and make everyone line up and wait thier turn rather than just push forward and mob a bus or store.

[BBF]

scatter, they just aren't as subtle as most others.

Ha, you haven't been to Italy another Latino culture. Pinching female rumps is rampart
(pun intended)    there.

[us920669]

I read once that young women sometimes leave crowded subway cars in Tokyo with strange stains on their dresses.  Bill Clinton could probably identify them.  As for Mexico not being on the list, from what I know about 1920s America the omission was probably deliberate because seasonal labor was absolutely essential for agricultural interests in the Southwest. 

[SHOOTALL]

Some do and some don't . Keep in mind national pride dosen't exist in some countries for some people. Some are here for the money they might not wish to change their ways . Some are here to keep from being killed they may well take up American ways .

[BBF]

My Son's MiL was a typical example of that here.
Never bothered to learn English, never worked for wages one day in Canada.
She went back to her home country every winter for close to six months. She collected Old Age Security( Canadian Social Security) for the entire year.
After 10 years of residence she doesn't even have to stay in Canada at all to receive OAS for the rest of her life. With the type of economy and currency in her native country she is well off.

[ratdog]

it is going to be very interesting to see what is going to happen when they let all these mexican and gang bangers criminals out of prison here and elsewhere.who is going to feed them and where are they going to get the medication some are on now.and work to eat.sounds scarey.