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[powderman]

Yellow, that's Bible, do you believe it, or do you deny what God says ?  Something tells me that you go along with the Bible until the Bible confronts Political Correctness...obviously, that is when you ignore God and side with PC...
 
 
IRONGLOW. You noticed that too?? Methinks he mainly likes to stir the pot and argue. POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

powderman that defines Faith. 

[yellowtail3]

Yellow, that's Bible,

I don't follow - what is the question?

do you believe it, or do you deny what God says ? 

Is this two yes/no questions re: my own personal religious beliefs? Prob OT for this thread, perhaps you could start another - "Inquisition re: Yellowtail3's religious beliefs"

Something tells me that you go along with the Bible until the Bible confronts Political Correctness...obviously, that is when you ignore God and side with PC...

Not sure how the Bible 'confronts Political Correctness' - not even sure what political correctness is, always? - but if this is a question, gimme a for instance and I'll answer, unless it's really personal, then you can PM the Q.

[ironglow]

Yellow, that's Bible,

I don't follow - what is the question?

do you believe it, or do you deny what God says ? 

Is this two yes/no questions re: my own personal religious beliefs? Prob OT for this thread, perhaps you could start another - "Inquisition re: Yellowtail3's religious beliefs"

Something tells me that you go along with the Bible until the Bible confronts Political Correctness...obviously, that is when you ignore God and side with PC...

Not sure how the Bible 'confronts Political Correctness' - not even sure what political correctness is, always? - but if this is a question, gimme a for instance and I'll answer, unless it's really personal, then you can PM the Q.

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  Yellow;
  I do sympathize with you in your confused state...as demonstrated above.  Really, you should decide whether you are with the Bible or with the left..
  As Elijah asked;
  " And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. (I Kings 18:21)
 
 
   Here's some help...   http://www.icr.org/
       

[yellowtail3]

Really, you should decide whether you are with the Bible or with the left..

You know, that's the kind of question that the Jihadists ask... at least I don't have to worry about being a head short if I give the wrong answer.

Not yet, anyhow.

[crustylicious]

[subdjoe]

Yes, he was.  And a radical.  But he cares about people as individuals, not as groups.  Quite unlike todays communists who masquerade as liberals.

[Dixie Dude]

That's right, Jesus dealt with people on an individual basis.  He didn't advocate government socialism.  He wants individuals to help individuals.  As a matter of fact, in OT and NT capitalism is accepted and taught.  We are just taught to set aside 10% for the good of others and for the ministers.  Hard work is taught, as well as spending wisely. 

[Casull]

Yep, I somehow doubt Jesus would have advocated taking from hard workers at the point of a sword to give to those unwilling, but able, to take care of themselves.

[subdjoe]

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That's right, Jesus dealt with people on an individual basis.  He didn't advocate government socialism.  He wants individuals to help individuals.  As a matter of fact, in OT and NT capitalism is accepted and taught.  We are just taught to set aside 10% for the good of others and for the ministers.  Hard work is taught, as well as spending wisely.

Yep, I somehow doubt Jesus would have advocated taking from hard workers at the point of a sword to give to those unwilling, but able, to take care of themselves.

I'm sure someone will try to misuse Ananias and Sapphira to say that the haves are supposed to turn over all they have (something they only seem to expect of conservatives, not people like Oprah, Kerry, Feinstein, Gates, Obama, or any of the glitterati like Bono or Alec Guiness).  But that just shows how little they know Scripture.  The sin was not holding back part of the money they sold their property for, but for telling St. Peter that the portion they were donating was the whole sum.

[jimster]

Yep, I somehow doubt Jesus would have advocated taking from hard workers at the
point of a sword to give to those unwilling, but able, to take care of
themselves.

Yep...I also don't think he would have cared for borrowing and spending more than you have,  Which liberals (new age liberals) think is the only way to go.  He also might not thought much of the head of the country telling people he would cut off their social security if he did not get what he wanted from congress.  Sounds to me like Jesus was not a liberal at all...he was very conservative.  I think some people are very confused, or they just make stuff up.  Jesus may very well have been an original liberal, they were very conservative...these progressive socialists took that word liberal, because what they really are don't sound so good. 
 
 

[mirage1988]

Jesus told his disciples to sell what they had and give it to the poor, not take it from others and give it to the poor-big difference.

[ironglow]

Yep, I somehow doubt Jesus would have advocated taking from hard workers at the point of a sword to give to those unwilling, but able, to take care of themselves.

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  Right Casull;
 
  " For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat".
                                                                                                     (II Thessalonians 3:10)
 
  Yeah Crusty; we can already see above, that he cares not for the lazy, but he's a "liberal" who frowns upon abortion;
 
     ⁸Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction. (Prov 31:
   
  A "liberal" who does not approve of homosexuality;
 
   A liberal who believes that persistant, unrepentant homosexual is not welcomed by God.
  ..see (Romans 1:22-28)
 
  A "liberal"  who reveres the 10 commandments and figures they should be graven in stone, kept in public buildings, displayed for all to see...and obey..
 
   A "liberal" who has nothing about religious displays and celebrations in the public arena.
 
 A "liberal" who commanded;  "I am the way,the truth, and the life, noone comes to the father but by me" . (John 14:6)
 
 A "liberal" who believes in the second amendment;
  " And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one."   (Luke 22:36)

 A "liberal" who is not cool with abortion..even the saline injection abortion which burns them to death..or the "new age" crap or a drug user. 
   
     "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, nor a sorcerer"
   
     ....And naturally, He does not approve of a communist/socialist government.
 
   I xcould go on but I think it is clear he may have been a "liberal" when compared to trhe AD 30 Pharisees, but He sure bears NO RESEMBLANCE to todays liberals..  
 
 

 
 

[Mohawk]

Jesus also said to "Work to the sweat of your brow". My downstairs neighbor has been on tax payer's dollars for the two years I have been here. And, most taxpayers should know, you have paid for his beer, cigarettes, and other "stuff". Would Jesus approve of that? "Help those that help themselves". Very capable of working but doesn't. He is a "disabled vet"(Yeah, right). Not a combat injury, or any injury that keeps him from moving freely to the beer store or any other limitations.  Seems pretty healthy to me. Oh, he has a history of breaking into people's homes! Still on parole!....... yet he proudly displays his Obama/Biden bumper sticker! Would Jesus approve of this? Who knows.... I may ask Him when He gets here. Jesus is my King. He is the ONLY one I will ever bow to. To others, he is not. Not worth arguing about. I know I can trade my less than hundred years of this stuff for an enternity of bliss. Take what you want out of this place..... Christians ain't worried about this rock. And don't say I am giving this rock to the dark side, Jesus said that thousands of years ago............. Christians should keep their heads low. They will win. Let the doubters make the difference. What happens when you tread on top of water and your faith dwindels? Let the skeptics and doubters be loud. Again, Jesus said this would happen. To those that think that this "earth" is the end all be all of their civilization, then good luck. My King said all this would happen thousands of years ago. Who is the other side's King? Not happening here.

[ironglow]

Crusty;
  I don't know where you snitched that stupid picture from, because it shows the complete ignorance of the nature of Jesus by the designer of the picture.  certainly no knowledgeable Christian would be fooled by the gross ignorance exhibited by the picture designer.
   Can you or any others point out the stupid mistake..think, ......I'll give you time..

[subdjoe]

Yep, I somehow doubt Jesus would have advocated taking from hard workers at the point of a sword to give to those unwilling, but able, to take care of themselves.

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  Right Casull;
 
  " For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat".
                                                                                                     (II Thessalonians 3:10)
 
  Yeah Crusty; we can already see above, that he cares not for the lazy, but he's a "liberal" who frowns upon abortion;
 
     ⁸Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction. (Prov 31:
   
  A "liberal" who does not approve of homosexuality;
 
   A liberal who believes that persistant, unrepentant homosexual is not welcomed by God.
  ..see (Romans 1:22-28)
 
  A "liberal"  who reveres the 10 commandments and figures they should be graven in stone, kept in public buildings, displayed for all to see...and obey..
 
   A "liberal" who has nothing about religious displays and celebrations in the public arena.
 
 A "liberal" who commanded;  "I am the way,the truth, and the life, noone comes to the father but by me" . (John 14:6)
 
 A "liberal" who believes in the second amendment;
  " And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one."   (Luke 22:36)

 A "liberal" who is not cool with abortion..even the saline injection abortion which burns them to death..or the "new age" crap or a drug user. 
   
     "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, nor a sorcerer"
   
     ....And naturally, He does not approve of a communist/socialist government.
 
   I xcould go on but I think it is clear he may have been a "liberal" when compared to trhe AD 30 Pharisees, but He sure bears NO RESEMBLANCE to todays liberals..  
 
 

He is a Liberal in the same way T. Jefferson was a Liberal.  Believing in the worth, dignity, and sanctity of the individual.

[subdjoe]

Crusty;
  I don't know where you snitched that stupid picture from, because it shows the complete ignorance of the nature of Jesus by the designer of the picture.  certainly no knowledgeable Christian would be fooled by the gross ignorance exhibited by the picture designer.
   Can you or any others point out the stupid mistake..think, ......I'll give you time..

I'll be interested to see your take on that.  Concentrating in only the image of Christ and ignoring the banner, I really only see one major theological mistake in it.

[ironglow]

  I'm considering the whole display..and I am not faulting the "visible heart", knowing that those who like the picture also know that Jesus never wore his heart on the external, plus the heart is stylized..but that is not my point.  I am seeing a MAJOR MISTAKE on display..
  Let's wait for a couple more posts...if noone gets it, then I'll divulge..

[subdjoe]

Hmm....other than the text, and the pretty sucky western styling, I'm not seeing it.

Does it appear in this:

[yellowtail3]

I don't know where you snitched that stupid picture from, because it shows the complete ignorance of the nature of Jesus by the designer of the picture.

Thank goodness that we can display pictures of what we perceive Jesus to have looked like, without having to worry about a fatwa or censorship, like they have to deal with in the Islamic world. Myself? I like the Orthodox icons.

Anyhow... I don't know what Jesus looked like, but I suspect he looked more like the fellow in the Left than the one on the Right.

[subdjoe]

Crusty;
  I don't know where you snitched that stupid picture from, because it shows the complete ignorance of the nature of Jesus by the designer of the picture.

Thank goodness that we can display pictures of what we perceive Jesus to have looked like, without having to worry about a fatwa or censorship, like they have to deal with in the Islamic world. Myself? I like the Orthodox icons.

Anyhow... I don't know what Jesus looked like, but I suspect he looked more the the fellow in the Left than the one on the Right.

Interesting.  On the one side you have quotes from Scripture, the other side you have comments by men.  And, many of those comments by men sound as if they come straight from the Koran.  Especially the "I am the state." and "slay ye every one of them."

[ironglow]

  Wow Yellow;
   I wondered what websites you frequented to find such a bigoted caricatures of Jesus..so I took the addy off the bottom and peeked at it just ONCE.  The conceited, self-centered character running that site is so filled with anti American, anti military, anti Jesus vitriol..that I certainly have NO desire to ever go there again.  No self respecting Christian/American would !  ..I don't entertain people who try to mock God..
     I cannot speak for others, but your cover story of being a Christian is wearing quite thin with me..it just no longer passes the "smell test".
   The caricature on the left seems to picture more what  muhammad would look like and the verses under the right hand picture sound more like having come from a different "holy book".other than the Bible.
    Your whinings about (orthodox pictures) only exposes your misunderstanding of "orthodoxy".  Of course, we have no clear picture of what Jesus looks like facially, since there are no and probably never have been..picturtes of Him.
    In any case, your lame complaints about the pictures miss the deep theological point anyway..your Christian pretensions are rather flimsy !

[ironglow]

  Yellow says;
  "Anyhow... I don't know what Jesus looked like, but I suspect he looked more like the fellow in the Left than the one on the Right"
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  With that statement, you have 'tipped your hand'..exposing yourself for what you are..

[Dixie Dude]

Problem with Liberals, they just don't get it.  For instance, Jesus said to the woman caught in adultry (which was a stoning offence), "neither do I condem thee, GO AND SIN NO MORE"  He showed love in not having harsh punishment, but He was against the sin.  The Bible also says drunkards will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.  Sex is fine withing marriage between a man and woman, but all other forms are sin according to the Bible.  Why, because God wants people to control their lusts, not just for sex, but alcohol, money, and food.  Controling your lusts and appetites keeps people from having babies out of wedlock with children raised without a father.  It keeps disease in check.  It stops needless killing of people on the highways.  It stops families from being hurt by someones sins and excesses.  Not controling your lusts and appetites causes greed, selfishness, adultry, disease like STD's, stealing, killing, abandonment of children, killing of children.  The list goes on and on.  Christians are commanded to be the "Salt of the Earth" to keep it palatable before God.  Being salt, we are to point out sin and nip it in the bud so to speak.  This keeps society healthy, strong, moral, productive, and stable.  Can we say like in the 1950's.  Sure there were things that needed correcting, always are, like prejudice, but we had almost eliminated STD's, crime was low, divorce was low, economy was productive, very few needed welfare assistance.  Churches and families took care of the needy, sick, elderly, and disabled.  Didn't need the Feds creating a dependent class. 

[powderman]

A lot of good posts by REAL Christians. Only 2 here that mock and disrespect Jesus Christ, but that is to be expected from them. They both posted the same pic a while back in uniform with a quote I won't mention. Til that happened I wasn't real sure they were twins but that pretty well confirmed it. One even claims to be a Christian, although if accused in court I doubt there'd be enough evidence to convict him. POWDERMAN. 

[subdjoe]

  Wow Yellow;
 
    Your whinings about (orthodox pictures) only exposes your misunderstanding of "orthodoxy".  Of course, we have no clear picture of what Jesus looks like facially, since there are no and probably never have been..picturtes of Him.
    In any case, your lame complaints about the pictures miss the deep theological point anyway..your Christian pretensions are rather flimsy !

I'm going to jump in here in defense of Yellowtail3.  He expressed a liking for Orthodox iconography. Which the Sacred Heart isn't, even though the Eastern Catholics, in which the doctrine of the Sacred Heart is very controversial, often borrow Orthodox style of iconography (as do some protestant sects).

And, he had the honesty to say "Thank goodness that we can display pictures of what we perceive Jesus to have looked like, without having to worry about a fatwa or censorship, like they have to deal with in the Islamic world."  Which makes me wonder at his frequently blind support of all things mohammedean. 

[ironglow]

subdjoe;
   I don't think I or anyone here said anything about whether or not one could post any picture (within reason).  However, whatever anyone posts here is subject to criticism as it should be.  I don't expect to be above criticism when I post here and expect that holds for others.  Of course without saying, the mention of some kind of "fatwah" against his posting is totally ludicrous..
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Dixie Dude;
  Your short dissertation in post #83..is a masterpiece; it "tells it like it is" and explains clearly the classic Christian viewpoint.
  It should be printed in every local paper.
  I have one small disagreement, however (not really)     ..but you started out by saying liberals "just don't get it" ! Actually, I think many of them DO get it...but just don't want to get it !
 
   One of the great iconoclasts, Julian Huxley, when asked once admitted that if he admitted to himself that there was a God...he would have to greatly alter his lifestyle...and he didn't want to do that.
  I am confident most liberals fight God..even though some claim to believe, is because either they or their friends are involved in certain sins they know full well God does not approve of.
  For instance, in the sin of homosexuality..(Romans 1: 22-28) cannot be misunderstood nor ignored...but some, proclaiming themselves Christians, defy God, and for all practical purposes, are telling God He doesn't know what he is talking about.
    Yet, when I use God's own words, in this case (Romans 1:22-28), then they accuse me of "judging" their buddies (or them).
  This proves that the word of God  is "sharper than any two-edged sword". 
          Funny; it's God's word and He will do the judging..

[ironglow]

  OK here's the answer;
  Here is where all who have accepted that poster/pic showed their total lack of knowledge about basic Christian doctrine.  It betrays any pretensions toward Christianity.
     Notice the picture, then read the banner, which says;  "Jesus was a liberal"...  Oh..oh a 3rd level kid in Sunday School knows better than that.  Jesus should not be spoken of in the PAST TENSE...since He is still ALIVE !
  Jesus died on the cross.. and was resurrected in 3 days.  He is now in heaven and sits at the right of the Father..."from thence to judge the quick and the dead".  HE IS ALIVE !  Speaking of hiom in the past tense is for those who don't really know Him..   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M-zwE33zHA

[subdjoe]

subdjoe;
   I don't think I or anyone here said anything about whether or not one could post any picture (within reason).  However, whatever anyone posts here is subject to criticism as it should be.  I don't expect to be above criticism when I post here and expect that holds for others.  Of course without saying, the mention of some kind of "fatwah" against his posting is totally ludicrous..
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I think his comment was expressing appreciation of the fact that he could, without fear of religious authority calling for his death by rusty spoon,  freely post a depiction of Christ, no matter how derogatory, unlike in the countries run by the followers of mohammed that he so often blindly supports. 

Of course, in the fevered imaginings of many of the leftists who post here,  we (according to them) live in a right wing Christian theocracy, and they will be subject to such death warrants if they in any way hint at anything casting doubt on American fundamentalism or Ussherian dating of the world.

[yellowtail3]

  Yellow says;
  "Anyhow... I don't know what Jesus looked like, but I suspect he looked more like the fellow in the Left than the one on the Right"
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  With that statement, you have 'tipped your hand'..exposing yourself for what you are..

This seems like it's getting kind of personal, you posting about what I... am?

Notice the picture, then read the banner, which says;  "Jesus was a liberal"...  Oh..oh a 3rd level kid in Sunday School knows better than that.  Jesus should not be spoken of in the PAST TENSE...since He is still ALIVE !

Ironglow, I think you're oversensitive. The image I posted showed the historical Jesus, juxtaposed against the Republican Jeezus. They're not the same. Me? I like th historical Jesus much better.

I'm getting you prefer the other one... ?