ATF's Project Gunrunner

[coyotejoe]

I'm surprised I can't find anything on GBO regarding this scandal. It's been heavy in the news and could well be the worst scandal in U.S. politics.
The ATF has been "letting guns walk" after dealers contacted them with concerns about a potential sale. The lame excuse for this program was, they claim, to track these guns to the big cartel bosses. But they had no way to track guns once they entered Mexico. Quite a few have turned up at crime scenes and the ATF could track them only after police recovered them. Obviously that was the intended purpose, to run up the score of U.S. sold guns found in Mexico. But it was not just an ATF program, it involved the FBI, DEA, ICE and the whole U.S. Justice Department with 10,000,000 dollars of stimulus money.
Here is a time line from CBS which has been covering this. It's long but informative.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/22/darrell-issa-kenneth-melson-atf-guns-fast-furious_n_882101.html

[yellowtail3]

Troubling. And some Repubs in on it, too?

[powderman]

COYOTEJOE. It was being discussed in the thread, HOLDER SHOULD RESIGN, until it got locked. POWDERMAN. 

[Casull]

There is another thread on here about it, where yellowtail and junior tried to equate the Obama administration selling guns to criminals to John Ashcroft prosecuting and convicting Tommy Chong.  Just don't recall which forum it was in.

[Casull]

Dang, PM, your post hit while I was typing mine.   

[coyotejoe]

And here's a bit more of an update.
http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2011/07/08/news/fast-and-furious-cover-up/
 
 We all need to get behind this with letters to our Senators and Congressmen demanding full accountability going right up to the top. There is already a demand for the dismissal of AG Eric Holder but we can't let the people slide by just resigning. This is nothing less than a Criminal Conspiracy perpetrated by our U.S. Justice Department and it goes all the way to the top, and I do mean the TOP. These people conspired to violate U.S. law and international borders with a wanton disregard for human life and suffering just to achieve a political goal of running up the score of American guns found in Mexico. These people all need to be serving life in a Mexican prison! The Mexican government agrees. Once again the ATF has shot itself in the foot but this time with the full support of the entire Justice Department.

[yellowtail3]

There is another thread on here about it, where yellowtail and junior tried to equate the Obama administration selling guns to criminals to John Ashcroft prosecuting and convicting Tommy Chong.

Not so; I don't know enough about the Tommy Chong case to made a comparison. All I did was marvel at $12mil wasted.

This gunrunner thing warrants some attention.
 

[Casull]

Not so; I don't know enough about the Tommy Chong case to made a comparison.

 
Anyone's free to take a look at what you posted and let me know if my statement was incorrect.

[powderman]

This is nothing less than a Criminal Conspiracy perpetrated by our U.S. Justice Department and it goes all the way to the top, and I do mean the TOP. These people conspired to violate U.S. law and international borders with a wanton disregard for human life and suffering just to achieve a political goal of running up the score of American guns found in Mexico. These people all need to be serving life in a Mexican prison! The Mexican government agrees. Once again the ATF has shot itself in the foot but this time with the full support of the entire Justice Department.
 
 
COYOTEJOE. Good post Sir, I agree. No doubt this had obummers blessings. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

You were correct Casull. THe liberal parasites ttry to deflect when a point is made about their messiah.

[mirage1988]

Heres another deflection by the libbys-our gov't arms the mexi drug cartels while being concerned about iran arming insurgents- What a hypocrytical pile of cow dung!
 
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/panetta-u-won-t-walk-away-iran-arming-191821256.html

[jimster]

The ATF is corrupt and always has been. It goes deeper than any of us want to know. And how can they "track guns" in another country???  Have we invaded Mexico too?  Obviously the entire federal government is out of control. Who in the ATF right now would admit to such a foolish idea of "selling guns to Mexican criminals so we can see where they go"....any takers?   White House is backing away...they don't know nothin  ....the ATF will have to find someone to take the fall if this gets in the news too much...but basically, they can do anything they want and get away with it, there is nobody to stop them.  Really...nobody is stupid enough to believe that the AFT was going to track anything...they simply got caught running guns for money and it could very well be there are some other reasons to go along with the money...and yes, it goes all the way to the top.  Obama is the exec in charge of all of it.  A direct reflection on either his stupidity, his ignorance or his corruption, or all three.  He's the man in charge of the whole deal.  So far, he's done a lousy job in all areas. 
 
 

[powderman]

It had nothing to do with tracking guns, it was all about making American gunowners look bad so the obamaites could scream about those terrible ol ASSAULT rifles. POWDERMAN. 

[coyotejoe]

You're right Powderman, the only guns they could track were those thrown down at a crime scene and they could only track those to the straw buyer in the states who they could have and should have arrested on the spot. When someone discards a gun it is precisely because they know it can't be tracked to them.
Obama and Holder have stated "mistakes were made", implying there were good intentions in the plan but execution was flawed. BS! There never was any "good intention", to believe that you have to believe they all are idiots and I don't believe they are idiots. I believe their intentions were purely criminal from the get go and the "plan" was working as intended right up to the death of a Border Patrol agent, now they are squirming and trying to cover up.
Without doubt the Obama administration is guilty of sponsoring international terrorism!
Now we learn there was a similar operation out of Tampa running guns to Honduras!

[mauser98us]

The Demos make such a big deal of Watergate. Nobody was killed. In this incident at least one was killed, the Border Patrol agent,and who knows how many in Mexico were/are being killed.Loooks like a political tactic that went way crazy. Guess you had to be an Ivy League grad to dream this one up. Many should be going to prison.

[coyotejoe]

Certainly it was a political tactic, to run up the number of U.S. guns recovered in Mexico to add statistical credibility to Hillary Clinton's claim that U.S. gun dealers and our "lax gun laws" are to blame for violence in Mexico. Their claim that it was to build a case against the cartel bosses is just ridiculous, there is no way that could work. In the first place the big guys don't have to settle for semi auto AK-47's, they import and export drugs by the tons, does anyone believe they have to get their weapons one by one from a crooked gun dealer in Phoenix? No way, those guns were only going to the street level thugs who didn't have the connections to get supplied by the cartels.
 The only weapons they could trace were those recovered by Mexican police and they could only trace those to the straw buyer who made the purchase. But that's all they ever wanted, just to run up the statistics. It was working as planned up until the death of Brian Terry, then the whistle blowers came forward and it's like someone pulled aside the curtain and exposed the great wizard as a little guy who was turning the wheels and pulling the levers.
 But the curtain hasn't yet fully opened so that we can see the guy behind the wizard.

[coyotejoe]

Here's a bit more on the Tampa to Honduras thing called "Operation Castaway". I fully believe this is by far the worst scandal in the history of the U.S. government. It's just unimaginable that tax dollars are being used to spread guns with wanton disregard for the laws and for the lives of people here and abroad. And our Federal law enforcement agencies are behind it.
I urge you all to write your senators and congressmen and insist they take action to get to the bottom, or really the top, of this and demand criminal prosecutions for all involved.
The mainstream media is doing it's best to ignore this, no mention from ABC, CNN or others. Only CBS and FOX have jumped on the story and of course they are being branded as right wing conspiracy mongers. But this "conspiracy" is documented.
 
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS440US440&q=operation+castaway