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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2011, 07:38:31 AM »
The Libertarian point of view is abortion is a state's right's issue.  Which is what it was before Rove v Wade I think. 

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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2011, 08:03:50 AM »
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The Libertarian point of view is abortion is a state's right's issue

 
As I understand it, the Libertarian point of view is abortion is the individual's choice and no government action is acceptable, whether by the state or by the Fed's. 
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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2011, 09:25:03 AM »
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The Libertarian point of view is abortion is a state's right's issue

 
As I understand it, the Libertarian point of view is abortion is the individual's choice and no government action is acceptable, whether by the state or by the Fed's.
Yeah, that's what I was told.  my position is that unborn babies need protection and no woman has the right to kill it.  if they don't want it after it's born, give it away.
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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2011, 12:45:26 PM »
True, they all spend too damn much.  BUT, that does not mean there is no difference.  There are some substantial differences, and anyone that looks at it honestly can see them.

Let's see:

Wars:
Bush 2 wars
Obama 4 or 5 wars

Socialism:
Bush prescription drugs
Obama Obamacare

Spending:
Bush trillions over revenue
Obama trillions over revenue

Facism:
Bush bail out the banks
Obama bailout GM and others

Can you really name some difference (and not just some minor issue that does not matter) ?

The political economist Robert Higgs has dug up information on actual spending for socialism by all presidents since LBJ and there is no difference whether R or D. Every president has outspent his predecessor on social programs regardless of party affiliation.

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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2011, 12:55:54 PM »
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The Libertarian point of view is abortion is a state's right's issue

 
As I understand it, the Libertarian point of view is abortion is the individual's choice and no government action is acceptable, whether by the state or by the Fed's.





Not that cut and dried!

Some Republicans believe in a woman's right to chose.Not all Democrats believe in Abortion, and it's the same with Libertarians.Some will argue for abortion, and some will argue against.Libertarians for life argues that human fetuses have the same rights as born children.
Libertarian Republican United States House of Representatives' member Ron Paul calls for overturning Roe v. Wade and letting the states decide the issue. His son, Republican Senator Rand Paul, calls himself "totally pro-life" and supports "any and all legislation that would end abortion or lead us in the direction of ending abortion."The 2008 Libertarian Party candidate for president, Bob Barr, is pro-life and opposes abortion.
Harry Browne, the Libertarian Party candidate for President for 1996 and 2000, rejected the terms pro-life and pro-choice and stated about abortion: "Whatever we believe abortion is, we know one thing: government doesn't work, and it is as incapable of eliminating abortions as it is of eliminating poverty or drugs.
 
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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2011, 01:04:19 PM »
So, neither understanding was accurate.
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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2011, 01:44:24 PM »
I had spoken to a libertarian who had a booth at a little town party a few years ago and agreed with everything he said until abortion came up.  I asked him a couple of times so there would be no mistake about his meaning. he said the woman had the freedom to choose.  after that I more-or-less ignored them until lately.  it will take a little research to check their history and make sure it's not just politics as usual.
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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2011, 01:54:00 PM »
   
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The present revenue to the federal government amounts to about enough to pay the interest on the debt, some entitlements (Social Security, Medicare etc. and D.O.D) and nothing else.
That doesn't sound so bad....
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That leaves a huge part of what government does, with no way to pay for it.
Then maybe they need to re-think what gov't does
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At this point, anything that comes from any politician is merely a manifestation of desperation.
  That's bad news.
     Ok, I admit it.  I agree with yellowtail on this.   :o

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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2011, 02:55:54 PM »
So, neither understanding was accurate.



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« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2011, 03:35:40 PM »
I'll bet a libertarian controlled government would not sue a state and force it to overtrun a successful ballot initiative banning abortion like the current government probably would.
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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2011, 06:28:40 PM »
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Show me any two people in a room that agree totally on anything,and I'm sure that room will house two people, brain dead, on life support!


 
Easy there, I wasn't looking for a fight.  I also didn't say that Libertarians had to agree "totally" on anything.  But, usually a party will have a platform of their core beliefs.  From what you posted, the leaders of the party (based on who was running for POTUS) were all over the map and completely disagree with each other.   :o
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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2011, 02:22:31 AM »
  Bush vs Obama, the biggest difference is one was born in America.
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« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2011, 05:31:03 AM »
What is the point of comparing obama with Bush?  Just because spending was too much under Bush it means that obama should be allowed to totally break the bank?  We are past the point of pointing fingers and shared blame.  It either gets fixed very soon, or it's over.
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« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2011, 07:52:20 AM »
What is the point of comparing obama with Bush?  Just because spending was too much under Bush it means that obama should be allowed to totally break the bank?  We are past the point of pointing fingers and shared blame.  It either gets fixed very soon, or it's over.
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« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2011, 10:36:13 AM »
  As long as we continue to elect builderberg and CFR controlled candidates nothing will be fixed. They control both parties.
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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2011, 10:50:26 AM »
What is the point of comparing obama with Bush?  Just because spending was too much under Bush it means that obama should be allowed to totally break the bank?  We are past the point of pointing fingers and shared blame.  It either gets fixed very soon, or it's over.
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That about sums it up.  I never could understand why the dems point at Bush, he was on their side, he signed every piece of spending legislation the dem controlled congress put on his desk.  Mostly just ignorance,  people being so attached to a party they can't think anymore.
So I guess in the dems eyes, Bush didn't spend enough and that must be their problem with him?  Dems make no sense at all. They had it all, passed every piece of legislation they wanted, they wrote it, they signed it, they decided to NOT pass a budget in 2010 and move it out, yet hard core dems will still defend their party for some unknown reason....beats me what they are thinking.  I have to wonder if these people that support the dem party can run their own household, I really don't see how.  They point at the republicans like they are an issue or something...the reps have not been an issue for dems since 2006.  The dems own the current mess, no way around that. Reps are only there to point at, they are pretty much worthless so far except to have someone else to point at after everything crashed.  The dem answer to all this mess?  Same deal...raise the debt ceiling, print more money, shrink the private sector and grow government even bigger. The rep answer...is do the same thing but a little slower.  I will say the reps that just got elected into the house are not going along with this...but they are few.  We need to elect more people that realize government needs to shrink, and fast.

 

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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2011, 12:22:35 PM »
Fact of the matter is, this VOTING THE LESSOR OF TWO EVILS, for the last several decades is exactly why we have what we have. Most of you are STUCK IN PARTY VOTING, and given to say, HE DON"T HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT, AND IT'S A WASTED VOTE. ::)  Right now McCain is RAILIN TO PLAY "LET'S MAKE A DEAL", and criticizing his own party. Most of you here, wanted him to be president. If you really want to point the finger DIRECTLY AT THE ONE TO BLAME. Just find the closest mirror. ;)
 
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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2011, 01:05:36 PM »
Fact of the matter is, this VOTING THE LESSOR OF TWO EVILS, for the last several decades is exactly why we have what we have. Most of you are STUCK IN PARTY VOTING, and given to say, HE DON"T HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT, AND IT'S A WASTED VOTE. ::)  Right now McCain is RAILIN TO PLAY "LET'S MAKE A DEAL", and criticizing his own party. Most of you here, wanted him to be president. If you really want to point the finger DIRECTLY AT THE ONE TO BLAME. Just find the closest mirror. ;)
 
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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2011, 03:44:18 PM »
So, neither understanding was accurate.



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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2011, 05:57:45 AM »
So, neither understanding was accurate.



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 Not sure.. It appears that when it comes to the abortion question there are differences within the Republicans, Libertarians and Independents..
    ...Butg it looks like the Democrats ared all in favor of the "death option" for the little boys & girls.. :P  like lemmings.
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     As far as agreement..I and my life are generally in complete agreement..and in 14 days, we will have been at it for 55 years..
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Re: Republiclowns help Obummer destroy America
« Reply #50 on: July 29, 2011, 06:20:42 AM »
So, neither understanding was accurate.



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 Not sure.. It appears that when it comes to the abortion question there are differences within the Republicans, Libertarians and Independents..
    ...Butg it looks like the Democrats ared all in favor of the "death option" for the little boys & girls.. :P  like lemmings.
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 I'm with Bugeye;
     As far as agreement..I and my life are generally in complete agreement..and in 14 days, we will have been at it for 55 years..
  If there is a slight disagreement..we find the CORRECT answer in the book shown below.
IG, I have that book.  it's a good read.  if fact, from where I'm sitting, I can see 12 copies and a small new testament.  happy anniversary.
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