Author Topic: I'm gonna call it "Garbage" (Read 4281 times)

mannyrock · « **on:** July 16, 2011, 06:31:16 AM »

Man, I try to maintain an open mind, and I hate to use the G word, but I'm gonna pull the Garbage card here.

I've just seen an ad in a gun magazine, for Rossi's new "lever action" rifle (or is it a handgun?). It is a hollywood style, cut-down version of the classic model 94, but with the buttstock cut down as well to just behind the pistol grip (with a steel butt piece no less).

Oldsters will remember this as the gun carried by Steve McQueen in Wanted, Dead or Alive. Youngsters will remember this as the gun carried by the femal first office in the one-season science fiction series called Firefly.

However you may remember it, I think it is utter garbage. Can't imagine how you would aim it, since the stock is so short that it won't fit in your shoulder, and the sights are so far forward that you can't hold it out and aim it like a handgun.

Maybe they are trying for a new group of customers, . . . shooters of great hollywood prop guns that are utter trash. If so, then they can probably sell those folks, for another $200 or so, a genuine carry holster for this thing, as worn by Steve McQueen. Wow, won't that be cool.

Mannyrock

PowPow · « **Reply #1 on:** July 16, 2011, 06:55:31 AM »

Great marketing, though.

Offer a good product and you will sell everybody one each. But if you chop it off, re-introduce it in an obsolete caliber, or put a compass in the stock, a certain percentage of your customer base will buy the another one because its available.

Now, a tacticool lever action with a folding stock and a silencer, got to have that!

BruceP · « **Reply #2 on:** July 16, 2011, 07:20:43 AM »

Mannyrock ya hafta turn it sideways like a gangsta's auto.

Bruce

BBF · « **Reply #3 on:** July 16, 2011, 07:52:53 AM »

Why do I think that Steve had a shorty shotgun? Must be fading braincells again. $:-\$

mannyrock · « **Reply #4 on:** July 16, 2011, 08:15:27 AM »

It is fun to watch the 14 episodes of Firefly (and the sequel movie called Serenity), because the poor female actor is actually trying to aim the gun, using the sights. She kinda holds it up in front of her face, about 8 inches from her nose, and keeps moving it slightly forward and backward, trying to get the sights to focus and settle down. She probably went and got some formal gun training before filming these episodes, and learned how to use rifle sights, and then actually tried to aim the thing. A noble effort.

Mannyrock

hillbill · « **Reply #5 on:** July 16, 2011, 01:41:47 PM »

i dont really see the point of it myself.theres really no way yu could hit anything with it i would imagine. to me the biggest thrill in shooting is hitting what i aim at.there is a certain market for novelty guns, i guess thats what they are aiming for.

mannyrock · « **Reply #6 on:** July 16, 2011, 02:16:00 PM »

I also have to wonder, if you are yanking that lever up and down on such a short weapon, wouldn't the muzzle be swaying and pointing everywhere? Could be dangerous.

spruce · « **Reply #7 on:** July 16, 2011, 02:32:58 PM »

I think it would make a perfect companion piece to the Judge.

An unweildy rifle style handgun to go along with a big bulky handgun that isn't very accurate with .45 Colt loads and throws really lousy patterns with .410 rounds!

Neither one appeals to me, but apparently a lot of people find them interesting.

LilHog · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2011, 05:38:55 AM »

I would like to have one in .357 for HD, can't really think of any other use for it. As a HD weapon I think it would work well once you got use to the way it shoots and had some practice with it. It's a novelty item and I bet they sell quite a few of them.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2011, 05:44:35 AM »

there's nothing it can do that a conventional rifle, shotgun or handgun can't do.
however, if you have extra funds it would make an interesting toy.

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2011, 06:35:35 AM »

I've looked at em, would be a good truck/UTV gun for some quick shots at a coyote/skunk up at the cabin. The Trappers I have are just a bit to long to swing around the cab of both. DP

jlwilliams · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2011, 07:45:02 AM »

I think they saw all the AK and AR pistols that seem to be selling and decided to try a lever action version.

Great if you want a range toy that looks like something out of an old TV western series. Lousy if you want a gun to do anything practical with. As said, it doesn't do anything a lever action rifle or a revolver in the same caliber can't do better. It just looks a little different.

Nothing against anybody who wants one, but for my money I'd get the whole rifle.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2011, 10:46:08 AM »

I guess every gun i guy owns doesnt have to have a practical purpose. Why cant someone buy one just to have fun. Doesnt do much for me but ive got a buddy that just thinks there great.

Rangr44 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2011, 11:08:00 AM »

Yep - There's a butt fer every seat...........

.

jlwilliams · « **Reply #14 on:** July 18, 2011, 03:24:18 AM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale on July 17, 2011, 10:46:08 AM

..... Why cant someone buy one just to have fun.....

I'm not seeing any reason.

"It's fun to have fun...."
Cat in the Hat

temmi · « **Reply #15 on:** July 20, 2011, 09:42:47 AM »

Well it that works out maybe they will offer a 450Marlin with a 26-28 inch octagon barrel with a Receiver mounted Ladder "Peep" sight and nice walnut stocks.

I would buy it the day it came out.

Snake

T.R. · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2011, 01:29:32 AM »

I agree that these sawed off rifles appear to have little usefullness. But I'm seeing them on display at shops all over my region. Seems like an expensive toy but each to his own i say.

TR

Hunter6657 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 12, 2011, 03:56:26 PM »

Yea, if they would just make the Judge revolving carbine in a 45-70 then you'd have something.

LHS · « **Reply #18 on:** August 13, 2011, 02:47:58 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on July 17, 2011, 05:44:35 AM

there's nothing it can do that a conventional rifle, shotgun or handgun can't do.
however, if you have extra funds it would make an interesting toy.

Yep, my assesment also. Like my Ruger 22 Charger - fun to shoot but no real use when I have a Remi 700 .223 heavy barrel, a Marlin 60 (.22LR) with scope/bipod, a Ruger Mark II, a MArlin 39A lever .22, and a S&W 610 .22 revolver.

Still fun to shoot but more an attention getter at the range.

LHS · « **Reply #19 on:** August 13, 2011, 02:51:46 AM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale on July 17, 2011, 10:46:08 AM

Why cant someone buy one just to have fun.

My thoughts exactly. That's the reason I bought my Ruger .22 Charger.

It's your money - spend it as you like!

I'd love to shoot one though....

Hooker · « **Reply #20 on:** August 14, 2011, 06:16:28 PM »

It's called a Mare's Leg that was the name McQueen's character gave it most likely because it kicked like one.

They look cool ,but I'm not sure they fill a purpose that is not already better filled by something else.

Pat

Swampman · « **Reply #21 on:** August 15, 2011, 03:41:00 AM »

With the recent BATF changes, can you add a full length buttstock to one? That would make it useful.

Blackhawk44 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 15, 2011, 10:15:13 AM »

Handled a couple at the last gun show. They had all the grace and poise of an Acme brick. Too big and heavy for a holster gun, too awkward to sight, too short (legally) for even an abbeviated buttstock and way bigger than any .44 or .45 I own (and can hit with).

McQueen was really great since his didn't even have sights, according to old photos.

no guns here · « **Reply #23 on:** August 15, 2011, 10:19:18 AM »

Yeah but they look cool... I'd buy one just for fun if I didn't have about 20 ahead of it on the list.

NGH

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #24 on:** August 15, 2011, 10:44:55 AM »

aim you say , novel idea . Only aim I see is to remove cash from the buyers pocket. But the judge fits the same slot IMHO.

Spanky · « **Reply #25 on:** August 15, 2011, 10:54:55 AM »

Calling it "garbage" is pretty rough ain't it? Just 'cause you don't like it don't mean it's garbage. It would make for a pretty good home defense weapon or just plain fun gun.

To each his own... I think it's pretty neat.

Spanky

no guns here · « **Reply #26 on:** August 15, 2011, 11:06:44 AM »

Wow... I put this in the COMPLETELY WRONG thread... Ignore please. Was for the Judge, not the Mare's Leg.

Thanks, NGH

Actually, I might just have to move the Judge up on my list right to the top. I just found a small rattler up by my porch last night. That means there is probably more around as well as a couple of bigger ones. Got lucky and saw it move as I was reaching for the valve to turn off my sprinklers. Later, I bought some CCI shotshells for my .45 but then it has to be loaded/unloaded to get one in the chamber. Wouldn't be a bad idea to have a Judge around with some .410's in it. The smaller one with the 2.5" cylinder would be fine. Easier to carry around than a shotgun. I'd just stick with #8's for snakes around the place with maybe 2 .45's in it for scaring off dogs/coyotes or whatever. This is what I see the Judge's niche as. A carry gun/truck gun for snakes with a couple of .45's for backup just in case.

NGH

mechanic · « **Reply #27 on:** August 15, 2011, 12:23:10 PM »

Guy had some of these at the last gun show I attended. He said, per ATF, they are handguns, and must be recorded as such. Also said it was illegal to put a full stock on it.........

Someone else can have these, I don't have a use for one.

Ben

mannyrock · « **Reply #28 on:** August 15, 2011, 12:46:12 PM »

And, the word "gun" and "toy" should not be used in the same sentence. Guns are seriously dangerous killing machines, and shouldn't be bought by anyone who thinks it would be a great toy just to play around with. What are they going to do with this one? Dress up like a cowboy and run around with it in their car?

mannyrock · « **Reply #29 on:** August 15, 2011, 01:32:07 PM »

P.S.- No offense intended to SASS shooters. (I shot SASS myself many years ago.) Point is, this piece would not even be allowed in those matches.