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« on: July 18, 2011, 09:28:20 AM »
Paper patch a bullet for use in a muzzle loading rifle? 
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2011, 09:48:50 AM »
Why not ? you can use cloth .
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 11:46:57 AM »
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Not sure it would work very well , the whole idea of the paper is to grip the rifling as the bullet leaves the cartridge , with a ML you would be enguaging the rifling as soon as you started the bullet down the tube and maybe even push the bullet clear out of the paper before it ever seated on the powder charge .
 
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 11:57:11 AM »
It's the way the  accuracy shooters did it 150 years ago, and it's the way alot of them still do it today.
 Ned Roberts book the Muzzleloading Caplock rifle covers the process in depth.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2011, 02:10:15 AM »
If the paper was wraped around the bottom you wouldn't push through ?
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2011, 03:18:33 AM »
Paper patching for muzzleloaders works even better than it does for cartridge guns, due to not having to get through a throat. I PP for all my inline rifles, and a Renegade with a Green Mtn. bullet twist barrel on it. They all are extremely accurate, and shoot PP better than they ever have shot grease groove bullets. The trick is - use 20:1 or thereabouts for lead, patch with fairly thin paper (I use 9# Onionskin from the Papermill) and the finished size needs to be about .0005 to no less than .001 smaller than the bore diameter of your barrel. The bullet needs to be able to be loaded using the weight of the ramrod. It should float down while displacing the air in the barrel. Any looser or any tighter and it will not give best results. Looser isn't accurate, tighter gets hard to load. Powder charges need to be fairly stout to slug up the bullet properly. My 45s don't shoot for beans with less than 80gr. FFg, and the 50s need 100gr. or more. (Using 400gr. bullets in the 45 and 500gr. bullets in the 50) I suspect unless the pressure is high enough right at the start you get blowby and that kills accuracy. You can experiment with wads between the powder and bullet to see if it makes a difference. I have and it didn't. You do need to wipe between shots. I use a moist patch once on the wet side, then flip it over and once on the dry side. The bore stays consistant that way, not perfectly clean but not dirty to prevent loading and tear up the patch. If you have any questions just ask, this does work and it works well. And if you want to try it cheaply and have a 50 cal rifle, the Lee 440gr. bullet made for the 500 S&W works extremely well when sized appropriately and patched. Oh, one other thing. Your rifle needs to have rifling all the way to the muzzle. Some of those counterbored barrels out there that are made for sabots will not shoot PP for beans until cut off and crowned properly.   
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2011, 04:31:35 AM »
If the paper was wraped around the bottom you wouldn't push through ?

No, most of the patched bullets are wrapped to bore diameter or under, so there's little to no resistance in loading. Some also shot groove diameter, they used false muzzles and short starters, etc to get the bullet started into the bore straight, and they cleaned the barrel before loading.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2011, 04:44:09 AM »
The ones I have seen were wraped with a little past the base and that folded/twisted aginst the base making it somewhat like a cup. It was very neat in apperance.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 09:48:26 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2011, 08:33:05 PM »
depending on your barrel twist will be the factor in bullet lengh. the faster the twist the longer the bullet you can shoot.in my 1in48 twist i use a 250/300 grain bullet i have an adjustable 50 cal. mold. i can cast anything from 530grains down. i size to .495 then pp it back to about .502 for my 1in 28 hawken with a 400 grain bullet. hope this helps bill

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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2011, 06:55:15 PM »
Hello, AtlLaw.  You need to hit the books..The English team that competed against the U.S. at Creedmoor in 1874,  firing out to 1000 yds. were using Rigby muzzleloaders and paper-patched bullets.  There was even one U.S. shooter who breech-muzzleloaded..loaded P.P. bullet thru false muzzle to pre-determined depth, loaded primed & charged case.

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2011, 06:31:32 AM »
Thanks y'all!  You gave me a Bunch to think about.  I appreciate it!   ;D
 
But there was one post that, in it's simplicity, changed my whole view of the paper-patch subject.  Pure genius in a succinct statement!   :D
 
Why not? you can use cloth.
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