Author Topic: Arizona weathers Muzzie linguistic assault........ (Read 1876 times)

crustylicious · « **on:** July 22, 2011, 05:37:11 AM »

Looks like there's a storm brewing! Next thing you know it will be Sharia law!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/us/22haboob.html?_r=2&hp

powderman · « **Reply #1 on:** July 22, 2011, 08:58:01 AM »

Why in the sam hill would anybody need to name a cotton pickin dust storm??, thats what it is. POWDERMAN.

mauser98us · « **Reply #2 on:** July 22, 2011, 05:48:29 PM »

It's the media and their PC tendencies.This is one native son who will not put up with it.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 22, 2011, 06:33:20 PM »

Oh my - the Saracens are coming, the Saracens are coming!

“Meteorologists in the Southwest have used the term for decades,” said Randy Cerveny, a climatologist at Arizona State University. “The media usually avoid it because they don’t think anyone will understand it.”

Oh, there's nothing there. This won't bother most folks. The get panties in a wad over this... well... prob the same folks worried about too many black people in the neighborhood, and think that God is a Republican..

powderman · « **Reply #4 on:** July 23, 2011, 05:00:30 AM »

I reckon the logic of liberals tells them that they can't say dust and storm together cause it might offend DUST. POWDERMAN.

subdjoe · « **Reply #5 on:** July 23, 2011, 07:34:21 AM »

This is a particularly stupid issue to get worked up about. So what if a word to describe a certain type of dust storm is Arabic? It isn't any kind of creeping PCism.

Do we stop using "monsoon" because it has its roots in Arabic? How about "admial?" And "algebra?"

How about sofa, mattress, syrup, jar...do we ditch those because they came into English from Arabic?

Freaking grow up, people.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2011, 07:45:36 AM »

Joe, the last time I looked, the first amendment was still in force. If folks want to complain, so be it.
you have the right to complain about people who complain.
I complain about almost everything but it shouldn't affect anyone here.

Casull · « **Reply #7 on:** July 23, 2011, 08:52:00 AM »

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Oh, there's nothing there. This won't bother most folks. The get panties in a wad over this... well... prob the same folks worried about too many black people in the neighborhood, and think that God is a Republican..

Oh my, more race baiting.

nomosendero · « **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2011, 09:13:01 AM »

Quote from: Casull on July 23, 2011, 08:52:00 AM

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Oh, there's nothing there. This won't bother most folks. The get panties in a wad over this... well... prob the same folks worried about too many black people in the neighborhood, and think that God is a Republican..

Oh my, more race baiting.

Yea, I noticed that. It appears Libs have race on the brain & apply it to any & everything.

subdjoe · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2011, 09:21:25 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on July 23, 2011, 07:45:36 AM

Joe, the last time I looked, the first amendment was still in force. If folks want to complain, so be it.
you have the right to complain about people who complain.
I complain about almost everything but it shouldn't affect anyone here.

Exactly, and I'm exercising my protected First Amendment rights to get exercised about others getting exercised about a local weatherman trying to inject some color into an otherwise boring weather report by exercising his or maybe her First Amendment right to use a foreign word.

But, Christ on a pogo stick! Finding some eeeee...vvviiillll mohammedean plot in any use of an Arabic based word makes people sound like the paranoids that blame Bush or Palin for every hangnail, double yolked egg, run in pantyhose, and bad cup of coffee.

powderman · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2011, 10:03:59 AM »

HEH, up til this thread I never heard a dust storm called anything but a dust storm, I had no idea the new made up pc name was arabic. Maybe we can come up with a more gentle pc name for tornado. POWDERMAN.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2011, 11:01:09 AM »

Joe, there is nothing wrong with a double yoked egg, they're my favorites.
now all those things you named that came from arabic, that's fine, they came along before the ragheads declared war on us.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2011, 11:06:46 AM »

Quote from: Casull on July 23, 2011, 08:52:00 AM

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Oh, there's nothing there. This won't bother most folks. The get panties in a wad over this... well... prob the same folks worried about too many black people in the neighborhood, and think that God is a Republican..

Oh my, more race baiting.

No... I'm echoing one of the posters in this thread, who was... concerned with the increasing number of black people in his county.

Casull · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2011, 11:37:58 AM »

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Quote from: Casull on Today at 12:52:00 PM
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Oh, there's nothing there. This won't bother most folks. The get panties in a wad over this... well... prob the same folks worried about too many black people in the neighborhood, and think that God is a Republican..

Oh my, more race baiting.

No... I'm echoing one of the posters in this thread, who was... concerned with the increasing number of black people in his county.

Yes, you were race baiting. There were NO posts in this thread making mention of black people. You brought it up for the apparent purpose of either inciting racial tensions or to cast doubts on someone's thoughts because of unrelated racial beliefs. That IS race baiting.

subdjoe · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2011, 11:45:57 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on July 23, 2011, 11:01:09 AM

Joe, there is nothing wrong with a double yoked egg, they're my favorites.
now all those things you named that came from arabic, that's fine, they came along before the ragheads declared war on us.

Actually, most of those came into English through the mohammedean occupation of Spain, and a few were picked up through the Crusades. So they came in well after the mohammedeans declared war on us.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #15 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:05:57 PM »

casull, I can tell from the quote that it's me. it's something I said some time ago. I didn't realize that my opinions were so important to anyone. unless they're building a case against me for banishment.
if it ever comes up on another thread, I'll elaborate on it.

Casull · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:32:06 PM »

Bugeye, I remember the quote. But, what I find humorous is that yellow is still bringing it up and then claiming not to be race baiting. He has done so at least 2 or 3 times now.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:38:02 PM »

Sure is good to get a little rain today.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #18 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:39:57 PM »

Quote from: Casull on July 23, 2011, 01:32:06 PM

Bugeye, I remember the quote. But, what I find humorous is that yellow is still bringing it up and then claiming not to be race baiting. He has done so at least 2 or 3 times now.

yeah, there is a deep hatred on his part. I don't know why he don't just put me on ignore and get on with his life like I did.
Joe, I was refering to the modern terrorist war.

powderman · « **Reply #19 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:46:09 PM »

Yes, you were race baiting. There were NO posts in this thread making mention of black people. You brought it up for the apparent purpose of either inciting racial tensions or to cast doubts on someone's thoughts because of unrelated racial beliefs. That IS race baiting.

Not sure if it was race baiting, or just plain baiting. But yep Casull, you are right.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:54:22 PM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on July 23, 2011, 01:39:57 PM

yeah, there is a deep hatred on his part.

If you mean me, Bugeye, you're mistaken. I love all my brothers in Christ.

Quote from: Casull on July 23, 2011, 11:37:58 AM

Yes, you were race baiting. There were NO posts in this thread making mention of black people. You brought it up for the apparent purpose of either inciting racial tensions or to cast doubts on someone's thoughts because of unrelated racial beliefs. That IS race baiting.

A couple thoughts answering your post, then back to the subject of "Muzzie linguistic assault"

First - I don't think I've engaged in 'race baiting', but we'd need to define race baiting. What, exactly, does that mean? I'd think it means using language meant to antagonize or people of a specific race... and I've not done that. Heck, I don't even now anyone's race here, unless they've got their pic in avatar (I'm white guy)

2nd.... race baiting - whatever that is? - is oft in the eye of the beholder. EXAMPLE: When we see President Obama referred to has a Halfrican... is that race baiting, or simply a clever way of pointing out... something? It could be that it doesn't have anything to do with race... or if it does, it's not baiting... or if it is, it's the acceptable kind of baiting, maybe, i some groups. I'm not sure which - what do you think, Casull? Here's one: calling people terms like spooks, crackers, or muzzies... race baiting, or not?

Back the thread subject of Muzzie linguistic assault... I'll bet if you check around a bit, the folks most inclined to be upset by the news story, are those who are a bit xenophobic. There's probably some antagonism towards Muslims, since the word in question is Arabic, and most Arabs are Muslims, and lots of peeps don't know the diff (and are prob inclined toward a broad brush).

Anyhow... there's this bit in the article:

Not everyone was put out by the use of the term. David Wilson of Goodyear, Ariz., said those who wanted to avoid Arabic terms should steer clear of algebra, zero, pajamas and khaki, as well. “Let’s not become so ‘xenophobic’ that we forget to remember that we are citizens of the world, nor fail to recognize the contributions of all cultures to the richness of our language,” he wrote.

Excellent advice from David of Goodyear; he makes a good point, don't you think?

Casull · « **Reply #21 on:** July 23, 2011, 02:23:27 PM »

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calling people terms like spooks, crackers, or muzzies... race baiting, or not?

Clearly not for "muzzies", since that is not a race, but a religion.

Casull · « **Reply #22 on:** July 23, 2011, 02:32:05 PM »

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I'd think it means using language meant to antagonize or people of a specific race... and I've not done that.

Or, maybe, bringing up issues of race or racism in order to cast doubt on someone's arguments.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #23 on:** July 23, 2011, 02:36:18 PM »

Quote from: powderman on July 23, 2011, 10:03:59 AM

HEH, up til this thread I never heard a dust storm called anything but a dust storm, I had no idea the new made up pc name was arabic. Maybe we can come up with a more gentle pc name for tornado. POWDERMAN.

PM, how about PUFF for that tornado. or maybe WAFT. those are nice gentle names.
or, if you want to be descriptive, call them palistinians.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 23, 2011, 03:01:24 PM »

Quote from: Casull on July 23, 2011, 02:23:27 PM

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calling people terms like spooks, crackers, or muzzies... race baiting, or not?

Clearly not for "muzzies", since that is not a race, but a religion.

Religion-baiting, then?

nw_hunter · « **Reply #25 on:** July 23, 2011, 03:56:08 PM »

You guy's really slay me! Old Crusty throws the bait out, and immediately catches the limit.!
Lets talk about a dust storm!

YEA RIGHT!!!! Someone could start a thread about Mother Teresa, and before three reply's, the topic would change.
Then before you could say (SCAT) the personal insults would descend like a.......Monsoon! OOPS!

Was that one of those evil words?

Get it back on topic, if that's possible! I'm getting a headache!

crustylicious · « **Reply #26 on:** July 23, 2011, 05:23:47 PM »

That's "Mr. Old Crusty" to you!

mauser98us · « **Reply #27 on:** July 23, 2011, 07:14:18 PM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on July 23, 2011, 01:54:22 PM

Quote from: BUGEYE on July 23, 2011, 01:39:57 PM
yeah, there is a deep hatred on his part.

If you mean me, Bugeye, you're mistaken. I love all my brothers in Christ.

Quote from: Casull on July 23, 2011, 11:37:58 AM
Yes, you were race baiting. There were NO posts in this thread making mention of black people. You brought it up for the apparent purpose of either inciting racial tensions or to cast doubts on someone's thoughts because of unrelated racial beliefs. That IS race baiting.

A couple thoughts answering your post, then back to the subject of "Muzzie linguistic assault"

First - I don't think I've engaged in 'race baiting', but we'd need to define race baiting. What, exactly, does that mean? I'd think it means using language meant to antagonize or people of a specific race... and I've not done that. Heck, I don't even now anyone's race here, unless they've got their pic in avatar (I'm white guy)

2nd.... race baiting - whatever that is? - is oft in the eye of the beholder. EXAMPLE: When we see President Obama referred to has a Halfrican... is that race baiting, or simply a clever way of pointing out... something? It could be that it doesn't have anything to do with race... or if it does, it's not baiting... or if it is, it's the acceptable kind of baiting, maybe, i some groups. I'm not sure which - what do you think, Casull? Here's one: calling people terms like spooks, crackers, or muzzies... race baiting, or not?

Back the thread subject of Muzzie linguistic assault... I'll bet if you check around a bit, the folks most inclined to be upset by the news story, are those who are a bit xenophobic. There's probably some antagonism towards Muslims, since the word in question is Arabic, and most Arabs are Muslims, and lots of peeps don't know the diff (and are prob inclined toward a broad brush).

Anyhow... there's this bit in the article:

Not everyone was put out by the use of the term. David Wilson of Goodyear, Ariz., said those who wanted to avoid Arabic terms should steer clear of algebra, zero, pajamas and khaki, as well. “Let’s not become so ‘xenophobic’ that we forget to remember that we are citizens of the world, nor fail to recognize the contributions of all cultures to the richness of our language,” he wrote.

Excellent advice from David of Goodyear; he makes a good point, don't you think?

Well Heck I live in Goodyear as well. I sure don't agree with the citizen of the world concept. I'm a citizen of the US first,then a proud Arizonan who will still call them dust storms not some new fangled word some reported discovered to make himself appear smarter than the local hicks.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 24, 2011, 04:19:25 AM »

I drove across northern Arizona a couple weeks ago. No haboobs, but it was some spectacularly beautiful country. The Grand Canyon was well worth the detour.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #29 on:** July 24, 2011, 04:51:29 AM »

nw_hunter, this is kinda like all the groups of old men that meet at diners around the country every morning for coffee and confab. the subject will stray on and off the original post and would be pretty dull reading if it didn't. I like it here.