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CRAZY COP IN CANTON, OHIO
« on: July 22, 2011, 08:26:52 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2011, 08:35:36 AM »
couldn't watch the video, but the story under it was scary.  I hope we're not heading to a police state.
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2011, 09:38:47 AM »
What happened to the officer?
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2011, 11:00:02 AM »
That cop was relieved of duty and I hope they let the CCW guy go. Thats why I took the test but didn't get the license because as you saw it didn't make a difference. The cop new he had a CCW because he run the plate before getting out of the car. There should be a new show on tv Cops gone wild.
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2011, 11:26:51 AM »
That's good. The bad part is most likely he kept his certification. Often times smaller agencies will hire a certified officer due to the cost of sending a fellow through the academy. Most likely he is or will be working as a cop somewhere else.

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2011, 01:00:16 PM »
Honestly its tough to watch! at any second that could have got worse without question.
I am not sure what the guy was doing there but without a doubt that cop was a discrace to all who serv with dignity
 
It happens every day the good news is the many more times each day a cop does his job with dignity.
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2011, 01:10:51 PM »
  Did anybody see probable cause for a stop and search?
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2011, 01:31:26 PM »
  Did anybody see probable cause for a stop and search?
Suspicion of solicitation of prostitution I would guess.  How strong a case the officer could make I don't know.
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2011, 01:46:31 PM »
  Did anybody see probable cause for a stop and search?
Suspicion of solicitation of prostitution I would guess.  How strong a case the officer could make I don't know.
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It would make a case for reasonable suspicion, which government officials claim is in the constitution. Like they claim separation of church and state in the constitution. The constitution clearly states probable cause. I do not see probable cause. We should require an annual class on the constitution for all government workers.
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2011, 02:41:12 PM »
Wow. That cop needs to get fired, and charged. Fire him immediately, before he kills some poor guy.

I'm not allowed to use the appropriate terms in this forum to describe the cop, but he's and out-and-out (insert terms here).

Clearly the cop was rattled at his own stupidity, and reflexively decided to abuse the citizen.
The folks pulled over should have said nothing to him. None of cop's damned bidness where they're going.

Some will say he's unprofessional - and he was. But he sure does have the Condescending Lecture down pat!
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2011, 03:14:25 PM »
Cop is suspended (I hope without pay) and there is an internal affairs investigation.

The prosecutor offered the guy with the CCW a trade, they drop the charge for failure to inform, he doesn't sue.  His lawyer said "No way.'  Charges got dropped anyway.  With a bit of luck it will make cops a lot more reasonable nationwide.

Now here is one, an open carry in Oceanside, CA, that is the exact opposite. The LEO is polite but firm, informative, even humorous. 

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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2011, 04:21:45 AM »
That Oceanside cop is alright, and provides one heck of a contrast; perhaps they can clone him?
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2011, 06:50:33 AM »
  Did anybody see probable cause for a stop and search?

Parking on a street, solicitation already mentioned and possible drug transaction. This warranted an investigative stop. Identify, see if stories are consistent, run NCIC, call in drug dog,,, etc. That was for the stop, not the search. The arrest he was threatening before the gun was unfounded. He came to a conclusion without doing much of the above. Reasonable suspicion is 51% or greater liklyhood that a crime had been/was being committed and the people were committing the crime. If the driver was not on probation there is no crime for consorting with prostitutes or pimps. No money was seen exchanging hands, no act seen, no one saying that they were engaging in any acts. So if no one had warrants all should have been free to go. They could have given the driver a traffic citation depending on local laws.

For the search, they would have had to have consent, a warrant, a drug dog keying on the exterior or arrested the owner and itemized the contents in a secure area for anything to be used in court. It used to be legal to do a cursory search of the accessible areas to an occupant. The Supreme Court ruled this as Unconstitutional due to the officer no longer being in danger after the subject is removed from the vehicle. The search of the back seat was a violation of both occupants 4th Amendment. It was not in immediate reach of the driver, and the rear passenger was no longer able to access anything in the vehicle after removal. He could have searched the front with the driver still inside for his safety but would have to be able to articulate why the individual was simply not removed to ensure a safe environment for the officers.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2011, 08:09:37 PM »
The Ohio cop clearly has a problem controlling his temper.  Have to agree, the man deserves to be canned.  He's a danger to everyone including his partner.
I wonder how the heck this guy even passed the psychological exam. 
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2011, 10:09:49 AM »
It's like that on the tv show cops. Put your hands on your head, your hands behind your back, your hands on the car. It's like Simon says do this do that. OH don't talk, I said don't talk- whats your name- don't talk, then five cops jump on him.
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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2011, 10:35:20 AM »
I don't watch TV cops shows - the times I've done it raise my blood pressure too much, and make me want to do something illegal. Better not to watch.

now with the Canton video, real life is far worse. Here's a very telling thing: jackboot Daniel Harless was mouthing off, knowing he was being filmed and recorded.

I'll bet you all the money I have and don't have, if it weren't filmed and if it weren't posted on youtube, Officer Harless would get away with it (again?) and we would never have heard about it. And IF WE HAD heard about it, the story would be dismissed as ranting of a 'cop-hater' or somesuch.

Believe it.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2011, 11:01:24 AM »
Well said, I know how you feel.
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2011, 05:04:18 PM »

now with the Canton video, real life is far worse. Here's a very telling thing: jackboot Daniel Harless was mouthing off, knowing he was being filmed and recorded.

I'll bet you all the money I have and don't have, if it weren't filmed and if it weren't posted on youtube, Officer Harless would get away with it (again?) and we would never have heard about it. And IF WE HAD heard about it, the story would be dismissed as ranting of a 'cop-hater' or somesuch.

Believe it.
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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2011, 05:16:11 PM »
That is a question I have. Who put the video out there? Was it the dept?

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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2011, 06:04:37 PM »


He's suspended WITH pay. The man arrested ended up in the Emergency Room due to his injuries. If this angers you, call Canton and request the firing & prosecution of Patrolman Daniel Harless. Canton's Police Chief is Dean McKimm at (330) 489-3111. Dept of Internal Affairs is (330) 489-3377. Mayor is William Healy (330) 438-4307. Don't tolerate police brutality or you'll be the next one injured and threatened after you're handcuffed. Give this comment Thumbs Up so others will see the phone #.
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2011, 09:19:36 PM »
That is a question I have. Who put the video out there? Was it the dept?

It seems, from the text at the start of the video, that it was put on Youtube by Ohioans for Concealed Carry.  No idea how they got the Canton PD dashcam footage.
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2011, 04:59:53 AM »
Cop is suspended (I hope without pay) and there is an internal affairs investigation.

The prosecutor offered the guy with the CCW a trade, they drop the charge for failure to inform, he doesn't sue.  His lawyer said "No way.'  Charges got dropped anyway.  With a bit of luck it will make cops a lot more reasonable nationwide.

Now here is one, an open carry in Oceanside, CA, that is the exact opposite. The LEO is polite but firm, informative, even humorous. 



  he still had no ''probable cause''to even  question the  guy
the  guy  refused to show  his  ID
the  cop was otherwise  very polite and professional
even when  the guy....obviously with a chip on his shoulder...refused to show  ID
the  officer had  NO problem  idendifying  himself.....we  do  need more like him

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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2011, 11:34:51 AM »
That is a question I have. Who put the video out there? Was it the dept?

It seems, from the text at the start of the video, that it was put on Youtube by Ohioans for Concealed Carry.  No idea how they got the Canton PD dashcam footage.





Could it be that someone on the Canton PD knew this guy needed to go, and leaked it????? Prob. not, but you couldn't blame someone if they did.
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2011, 07:23:31 AM »

  he still had no ''probable cause''to even  question the  guy
the  guy  refused to show  his  ID
the  cop was otherwise  very polite and professional
even when  the guy....obviously with a chip on his shoulder...refused to show  ID
the  officer had  NO problem  idendifying  himself.....we  do  need more like him

Right at the start the officer says "We got a lot of calls about a guy walking with a gun" (something like that).  Citizen complaints give him cause to check the guy out. 
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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2011, 11:42:40 AM »
The second cop acted irresponsibly. IMHO he was worried about being video taped and did not do his job properly. The guy had no constitutional right not to identify himself. A gun whether reported or seen by the cops, is probable cause for an identification stop. To establish whether the fellow is legal to be in possession of the gun or not. All that was determined was that he had a gun, claimed to be a former marine and would not reveal his identity. This is obstruction. It is Constitutional to detain the subject until his identity can be established. Had he done it willingly it would have only taken as long as the video tape lasted to run him NCIC and send him on his way if legal. The cop let him go without knowing if he was a criminal, had mental problems or otherwise restricted from carrying firearms. This is endangerment to the public he is supposed to protect.
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« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2011, 11:57:37 AM »
Judgement call on the part of the cop in Oceanside.  His experience told him they guy wasn't a credible threat.  He checked the gun, no magazine in the well, no round in the chamber, perfectly legal.  Could he have pressed the issue of the name?  Yeah, he could have.  But what would the result have been?  Likely escalating confrontation, the guy hauled in, and back out on the street in a few hours.  The cop decided it wasn't worth it.  I do think the guy was a sounds like ass for not giving his full name.


The second cop acted irresponsibly. IMHO he was worried about being video taped and did not do his job properly. The guy had no constitutional right not to identify himself. A gun whether reported or seen by the cops, is probable cause for an identification stop. To establish whether the fellow is legal to be in possession of the gun or not. All that was determined was that he had a gun, claimed to be a former marine and would not reveal his identity. This is obstruction. It is Constitutional to detain the subject until his identity can be established. Had he done it willingly it would have only taken as long as the video tape lasted to run him NCIC and send him on his way if legal. The cop let him go without knowing if he was a criminal, had mental problems or otherwise restricted from carrying firearms. This is endangerment to the public he is supposed to protect.
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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2011, 12:22:23 PM »
This business of not giving the cops your name does seem kind of... rude. Are we required by law to identify ourselves when accosted by the police?

on the other side of seeming rude... what good comes of giving up your name, or anything? Anything you say is likely to be used against you, should the opportunity arise.
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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2011, 12:40:48 PM »
There is a ruling on the 5th Amendment that pretty well states that if a subject's name would incriminate him that he may refuse. It has been tried many times yet the Supreme Court has not given a favorable ruling to the individuals trying to claim that. There would have to be a pattern of documented harassment by law enforcement, or say a fellow they had it in for because he was aquitted of a cop shooting, something of that nature. The ruling is there, but so far no one has been able to convince the judges that they experienced those circumstances.
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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2011, 04:52:25 PM »
"We got a lot of calls about a guy walking with a gun" Can anyone exsplain how this works, I've heard it before at least the call thing. Are these calls real and documented. They don't tell you who called. Or do the police sometimes just make this up to do a little harassing on there own?
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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2011, 06:07:36 PM »
"We got a lot of calls about a guy walking with a gun" Can anyone exsplain how this works, I've heard it before at least the call thing. Are these calls real and documented. They don't tell you who called. Or do the police sometimes just make this up to do a little harassing on there own?

Likely the street cop doesn't know.  They get dispatched and roll. 
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