Author Topic: What's gonna happen to the .30 TC round? (Read 6336 times)

mannyrock · « **on:** July 22, 2011, 02:19:46 PM »

Hey guys,

This round sounded really good in theory. The full power of a .30-06, in a shell just a little larger than the .308, but with only the recoil of a .243.

Will anybody be making a bolt action for this in the future?

I think that this round made a lot of sense, but unfortunately, it seemed to come on stream at about the same time that everybody figured out that they got snookered on the short-magnum rounds. So, they just viewed the .30 TC as another type of short magnum and wrote it off.

Too bad, because I think it was something totally different.

Mannyrock

243dave · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2011, 03:40:31 AM »

I admit I view the 30tc as just hype. To me it falls between the 308 and the 30-06 which is a almost none existant gap until you use 180gr bullets and larger. There is no magic in any cartridge, there is no way ANY cartridge can give 06 performance with 243 recoil. I'm not saying its not a good cartridge, its a very good cartridge, anybody who has a good 308 or 30-06 can tell you how effective the 30TC is.
Dave

Barstooler · « **Reply #2 on:** July 26, 2011, 05:11:41 PM »

Ever hear of the Dodo bird?

Barstooler

1sourdough · « **Reply #3 on:** August 27, 2011, 03:54:15 PM »

I'll take the 308. I do have a few less common rounds, but no need for the 30 TC.

KAYR1 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2011, 03:08:21 PM »

I think that it will go away. I have seen several used rifes so chambered on the shelves lately. .308 and 30-06 do it all around here, and ammo and components are more readily available anywhere you go.

Swampman · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2011, 03:41:39 PM »

Can they be rechambered to .308?

charles p · « **Reply #6 on:** September 13, 2011, 08:48:50 AM »

Does it defy the laws of physics? Now can the recoil be that low or does it shoot a light bullet with a small charge in a heavy rifle?

MZ5 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 14, 2011, 05:35:27 PM »

CDNN claims to have purchased _all_ of T/C's 30TC-chambered Icons. If that's so, one might easily assume that T/C isn't chambering them anymore.
While a somewhat interesting cartridge, it must not have been of enough general interest to make it. A round such as this makes more sense in an AR15 platform, like the 30 Rem AR or the 300 OSSM, but T/C doesn't make ARs, so that wasn't a real possibility.
For general hunting, there's not really any practical advantage to it vs a 308 or 06, and for an AR shooter or other target shooter, the WSSM/OSSM case makes more sense.
Not a lot of room for innovation in the 30-cals, unless you're content w/super-small volumes.

1sourdough · « **Reply #8 on:** September 16, 2011, 05:58:56 AM »

I was looking at the 30 TC ballistics the other day. The data I was looking at showed it IDENTICAL to the 308 rounds with the same weight bullets. Now will I take that TC round or stick with the NATO 308? I'll take the 308.

Huffmanite · « **Reply #9 on:** September 16, 2011, 01:57:20 PM »

I occassionally wander thru two of the three Gander Mtn stores in the Houston area, hopeing to find a decently priced used rifle or perhaps a bargain new rifle. LOL, being successful at finding a good deal on either very very seldom happens, perhaps once every 1 1/2 years.

Anyway, I have noticed a couple of Icon rifles in the Gander Mtn clearance racks, that are also used for used rifles, that are marked either .30 Carbine or .30 Rem on the tags......chuckle, both have .30 TC on the barrel. As I recall, one of them has been in the clearance rack for at least 3 months. My point is, soon as I see its a .30TC, I put it back in the clearance rack and check the other remaining rifles. While I'm sure it may be in someways a superior cartridge to a .308 and I do reloading, I'm just not interested in it since I have a couple of .308s to shoot at the range.

yooper77 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 18, 2011, 09:50:59 AM »

Quote from: mannyrock on July 22, 2011, 02:19:46 PM

Hey guys,

This round sounded really good in theory. The full power of a .30-06, in a shell just a little larger than the .308, but with only the recoil of a .243.

Will anybody be making a bolt action for this in the future?

I think that this round made a lot of sense, but unfortunately, it seemed to come on stream at about the same time that everybody figured out that they got snookered on the short-magnum rounds. So, they just viewed the .30 TC as another type of short magnum and wrote it off.

Too bad, because I think it was something totally different.

Mannyrock

The 30 TC is shorter than the 308 Winchester. The design wasn't new at all, just a modified 300 Savage, so they could market a new cartridge.

Thompson Center already make bolt action rifles in 30 TC the Icon and Venture. I would love to find a inexpensive T/C Icon in 30 TC that someone who doesn't handload and cant find ammo or doesn't want to pay factory ammo prices.

Handloading 30 TC reloads can be made from 308 Winchester with simple reforming steps, so finding brass will never be an issue.

See first picture below: Pictured left to right are the .30-06 Springfield, the .308 Winchester and the .30 Thompson Center.

See second picture below: Pictured left to right are the .308 Winchester, .300 Savage and the 30 Herrett.

yooper77

WSM264 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 05, 2011, 06:03:35 AM »

So what are the SAMMI dimensions?? Can a 30 TC be rechambered to a 308, 30-06 or 300 Savage??
Is this a fat cartridge??

yooper77 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 05, 2011, 10:10:44 AM »

Quote from: Brandt on October 05, 2011, 06:03:35 AM

So what are the SAMMI dimensions?? Can a 30 TC be rechambered to a 308, 30-06 or 300 Savage??
Is this a fat cartridge??

No its not a fat cartridge.

The 30 Thompson Center uses the same .473-inch rim and case-head diameter as the 300 Savage, 308 Winchester and 30-06 Springfield.

You can not make a 300 Savage from a 30 TC chamber, but you can rechamber a 30 TC to 308 Winchester AI. The 30-06 Springfield needs a longer action then the 30 TC uses in a bolt action, but if its a break (T/C Encore) open single shot barrel then yes it can.

yooper77

LeftieD · « **Reply #13 on:** October 06, 2011, 07:49:22 AM »

More or less the same thing that happened to the 30 Remington some years ago. 30 Remington was more or less just a rimless 30-30 and the lack of real need for it took care of the problem.

WSM264 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 07, 2011, 05:43:51 AM »

Isn't this similar to a 308 Marlin - which is a 307 Win with a few minor changes.
How many times do we have to reinvent the wheel!

yooper77 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:49:55 AM »

Quote from: Brandt on October 07, 2011, 05:43:51 AM

Isn't this similar to a 308 Marlin - which is a 307 Win with a few minor changes.
How many times do we have to reinvent the wheel!

Its a marketing thing, just a way to make a fast buck. Plus they can modify the design, so the older similar design doesn't fit, raise pressures and then mix a special blend of powder to achieve desirable velocities.

yooper77

Swampman · « **Reply #16 on:** January 03, 2013, 01:06:19 PM »

Some folks say the .30 T/C cannot be rechambered to .308 Winchester. Anyone know for sure?

muznut 54 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 04, 2013, 09:44:38 AM »

Quote from: mannyrock on July 22, 2011, 02:19:46 PM

Hey guys,

This round sounded really good in theory. The full power of a .30-06, in a shell just a little larger than the .308, but with only the recoil of a .243.

Will anybody be making a bolt action for this in the future?

I think that this round made a lot of sense, but unfortunately, it seemed to come on stream at about the same time that everybody figured out that they got snookered on the short-magnum rounds. So, they just viewed the .30 TC as another type of short magnum and wrote it off.

Too bad, because I think it was something totally different.

Mannyrock

The power of a 3006, case size nearly the same as a 308win and recoil of a 243win. That does sound like a dream and some TC creative marketing.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2013, 02:06:45 AM »

I think whats going to happen allready did.

quatroclick · « **Reply #19 on:** January 05, 2013, 04:15:30 AM »

I was all ready to say that the last piece of 30tc brass I saw had a daisy growing out of it. However, a quick online search leads me to believe that there is more 30tc ammo available today than 308 ammo. Kind of makes me think that I should have grabbed one of those blowout priced Icons a couple of years back.

5 years from now may be a different story......

mannyrock · « **Reply #20 on:** January 06, 2013, 05:43:59 AM »

Quatro ole friend, ya may want to re-run that search. I believe that for the .308 Winchester, there are more than 20 different factory loads currently offered, and virtually every manufacturer makes one or more of them. Not to mention the hundreds of millions of Nato military rounds made every year.

The .308 Winchester may be second only to the .30-06 as to the number of different factory loadings available for it, and is almost certainly among the top 5 hunting cartridges used world-wide. This is certainly true in America. :-)

Best, Manny

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #21 on:** January 06, 2013, 05:32:31 PM »

Quote from: mannyrock on January 06, 2013, 05:43:59 AM

Quatro ole friend, ya may want to re-run that search. I believe that for the .308 Winchester, there are more than 20 different factory loads currently offered, and virtually every manufacturer makes one or more of them. Not to mention the hundreds of millions of Nato military rounds made every year.

The .308 Winchester may be second only to the .30-06 as to the number of different factory loadings available for it, and is almost certainly among the top 5 hunting cartridges used world-wide. This is certainly true in America. :-)

Best, Manny

In stock inventory Manny?

gunnut69 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 02, 2013, 05:35:03 PM »

A 308 reamer will not clean up the 30 TC chamber as the case body's a bit straighter. A 308 Ackley should do tyhe job though or set back the barrel before rechambering..