Author Topic: Gitmo, Abu Gharib and the torture question.. (Read 7210 times)

FourBee · « **Reply #90 on:** July 28, 2011, 06:12:19 AM »

As long as the world continues down this path of ungodliness there will be torturing. Is it right? From my war experiences I for one know for a fact that I don't want any part of it.
It was reported to me that a young north vietnamese woman (spy) was in custody and I was invited to witness her interrogation . I declined because it would include himiliation and torture.
They stripped her naked (sic). From there your own imagination cannot fantom what she suffered. The last I heard was she was in a state of shock, and her breasts were marred by cigarette burns.

BBF · « **Reply #91 on:** July 28, 2011, 06:15:26 AM »

Bugeye:
To emphasize the second part of that quote, the Military folks are a different category and I wasn't disagreeing with you.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #92 on:** July 28, 2011, 06:33:13 AM »

Quote from: scatterbrain on July 28, 2011, 06:15:26 AM

Bugeye:
To emphasize the second part of that quote, the Military folks are a different category and I wasn't disagreeing with you.

didn't think about that. btw, I admire people who respect old folks.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #93 on:** July 28, 2011, 06:41:29 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on July 28, 2011, 06:05:09 AM

Quote from: yellowtail3 on July 28, 2011, 04:49:48 AM
Quote from: SHOOTALL on July 28, 2011, 04:37:36 AM
Yes it was when the President was selling the health care plan . I don't remember the interview but it showed his lack of understanding about such things IMHO.

seems dubious
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/would-obama-have-soldiers-pay-for-own-war-injuries/

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_accuse_veterans_of_selfishness_and.html

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/veteranshealth.asp
Yellow , when I check snoops it seems Obama can't understand the backlash to his saying that soilders should foot the bill for their long term care for battle injury.

According to Snopes, the president didn't say that. HINT: the Snopes article does not include any quotes by President Obama.

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So it would seem he said it to cause the backlash . So dubious in what way ?

Dubious, in that the whole 'issue' was based on mis-information and a bogus 'satire' piece.

ironglow · « **Reply #94 on:** July 28, 2011, 06:51:34 AM »

Part of this discussion was Abu Gharib..which hasn't been addressed. There were some prisoners were being led around by a female with a leash attached to them..evidently, she also put her panties over their heads..
Now, beside the fact that some guys might enjoy such pranks

..apparently the 'warriors of allah' were resentful of these pranks....fair enough!

Now, let's see how the enemy behaves with prisoners..they skin 'em, cut off body parts, andbuirn or behead them.

Now; just for sake of argument, let's say you're a prisoner forced to pick your 'torture' by choosing which line you will fall into.
One line is labelled "skinning, burning & beheading", while the other is labeled "waterboarding & panties on your head"..

Which line would you choose ?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #95 on:** July 28, 2011, 06:52:45 AM »

you must have looked up a different one. Try vets responce to Obamas commetr on .........

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #96 on:** July 28, 2011, 07:09:06 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on July 28, 2011, 06:52:45 AM

you must have looked up a different one. Try vets responce to Obamas commetr on .........

Maybe it should be in another thread rather than here - no non-productive back and forth. Fact is... prez never said disparaging things he was accused of.

read this, and if you're still thinking there is actually something to hash out, I'll start a thread on it: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/would-obama-have-soldiers-pay-for-own-war-injuries/

ironglow · « **Reply #97 on:** July 28, 2011, 07:18:02 AM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on July 28, 2011, 07:09:06 AM

Quote from: SHOOTALL on July 28, 2011, 06:52:45 AM
you must have looked up a different one. Try vets responce to Obamas commetr on .........
Maybe it should be in another thread rather than here - no non-productive back and forth. Fact is... prez never said disparaging things he was accused of.

read this, and if you're still thinking there is actually something to hash out, I'll start a thread on it: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/would-obama-have-soldiers-pay-for-own-war-injuries/

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VETERANS:
Forget any empathy for your situation with the B. Hussein administration. The B. Hussein regime is unique in that it has no high ranking personnel who are veterans or who haveever run a business. Of course, the prez himself is bereft of any experience in either situation..

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #98 on:** July 28, 2011, 07:35:42 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on July 28, 2011, 07:18:02 AM

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
VETERANS: Forget any empathy for your situation with the B. Hussein administration.

Also, don't expect much empathy if you fall for political lies meant to use you as a fictional victim, in order to disparage the administration... especially after you've been informed how you were suckered by those political lies.
Grow up.

ironglow · « **Reply #99 on:** July 28, 2011, 07:58:35 AM »

Ask any recent combat vceteran..if you know any..

Don't forget, it is the lefties who arer always trying to suppress the military votes.. Gore in 2000,

kerry in 2004 and B. Hussein in 2008....

http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2010/10/14/dem-clerk-who-disenfranchised-1300-military-voters-has-a-history-of-voter-shttp://www.wnd.com/?pageId=8616uppression/

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=8616

http://www.redcounty.com/content/democrats-suppress-military-vote%E2%80%A6-again

powderman · « **Reply #100 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:05:34 AM »

Maybe it should be in another thread rather than here - no non-productive back and forth. Fact is... prez never said disparaging things he was accused of.

yellow. You know he did. The liberal media covers for him. I remember it on tv and I remember reading it in the LIBBY DEM controlled Lou paper. They had to print it cause it was on all the media, if they hadn't it would have made them look even more pitiful than they are. POWDERMAN.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #101 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:11:46 AM »

it's a fact that he proposed it. he recanted only after the real heros got on his case.
I'm afraid imam obama has not earned any protections granted by the constitution.

ironglow · « **Reply #102 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:15:45 AM »

No surprise that the lefties want to suppress the military vote..it is just very dishonorable to do such a thing. If anybody deserves to have their vote count..it's the guys who are there "where the rubber meets the road"..

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-03-bush-troops_x.htm

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #103 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:27:27 AM »

Quote from: powderman on July 28, 2011, 08:05:34 AM

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Maybe it should be in another thread rather than here - no non-productive back and forth. Fact is... prez never said disparaging things he was accused of.
yellow. You know he did. The liberal media covers for him. I remember it on tv and I remember reading it in the LIBBY DEM controlled Lou paper.

Powderman - Can you provide the quotes for these purported comments by the President, along with sources for them? That would carry a lot more weight than what you remember on TV....

Quote from: BUGEYE on July 28, 2011, 08:11:46 AM

I'm afraid imam obama has not earned any protections granted by the constitution.

1. The Constitution doesn't 'grant' rights - it recognizes them.
2. People don't earn rights, they're given by God - haven't you ever read the preamble to the Constitution? It says:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

IMHO, our rights come from our being created equal by God, and are not something we 'earn' - and that's President Obama to you, Bugeye...

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #104 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:54:13 AM »

The Consitution only gives the authority to fed and state govt. for spefic actions If not mentioned it stays with the indivisual . Also it grants freedoms that the govt's can't infringe on.

Casull · « **Reply #105 on:** July 28, 2011, 09:17:29 AM »

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Can you provide the quotes for these purported comments by the President, along with sources for them?

Ok, yellow, how about this from CNN in March, 2009:

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Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #106 on:** July 28, 2011, 09:27:47 AM »

thanks

Casull · « **Reply #107 on:** July 28, 2011, 09:37:38 AM »

No problem. I was getting tired of the denials, because I also remembered seeing it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #108 on:** July 28, 2011, 09:44:16 AM »

Its funny some will not allow him to be seen for what he does good or bad.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #109 on:** July 28, 2011, 10:28:04 AM »

Quote from: Casull on July 28, 2011, 09:17:29 AM

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Can you provide the quotes for these purported comments by the President, along with sources for them?
Ok, yellow, how about this from CNN in March, 2009:

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Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.

No, that's not it... those aren't the president's words, those are a writer's characterization of something Shinseki said. At issue are President Obama's words, re: veterans.

If they're out there, I'm sure someone will find them. In the meanwhile, clarity provided for those with eyes to read, and ears to hear:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/would-obama-have-soldiers-pay-for-own-war-injuries/

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_accuse_veterans_of_selfishness_and.html

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/veteranshealth.asp

powderman · « **Reply #110 on:** July 28, 2011, 11:03:51 AM »

No, that's not it... those aren't the president's words, those are a writer's characterization of something Shinseki said. At issue are President. Obama's words, re: veterans.

yellow. HEH, you crack me up, anything to protect your precious obummer. Thanks for the chuckle, I needed that.

CASULL. Thanks.

Casull · « **Reply #111 on:** July 28, 2011, 11:54:51 AM »

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No, that's not it... those aren't the president's words, those are a writer's characterization of something Shinseki said. At issue are President Obama's words, re: veterans.

Yep, play coy. I really don't think anyone is going to report the President's exact words from what was said behind closed doors. However, for most thinking people, the report of what HIS cabinet members say HIS administration is going to do will be enough. If that aint nuff for you, well tuff.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #112 on:** July 28, 2011, 12:18:46 PM »

Casull - did you read any of the three links I provided? All three address the bogus accusations that President Obama was dismissive towards veterans, that he wanted them to pay for their own care, etc etc etc

Casull · « **Reply #113 on:** July 28, 2011, 01:08:05 PM »

Yes, I did. And, all three of them indicated that he wanted the soldiers' private insurance carriers to pick up the tab for war injuries, even though that would possibly exhaust their private insurance caps. Well, he wanted it until people heard about it and made a stink.

Mohawk · « **Reply #114 on:** July 28, 2011, 03:35:07 PM »

The President has not closed the prison. Has anyone wondered why? Has he been given information that weighed against his promise to close it? The President can close all military action in the middle east, Abu, and other locations with his breath. Why has he not done that?

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #115 on:** July 28, 2011, 05:51:59 PM »

Quote from: Mohawk on July 28, 2011, 03:35:07 PM

The President has not closed the prison. Has anyone wondered why? Has he been given information that weighed against his promise to close it? The President can close all military action in the middle east, Abu, and other locations with his breath. Why has he not done that?

I don't know the answer, but I'll make a good guess: he's found that governing is not the same as campaigning.

Casull · « **Reply #116 on:** July 28, 2011, 06:35:02 PM »

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I don't know the answer, but I'll make a good guess: he's found that governing is not the same as campaigning

Well, that is a guess. Whether it is a "good" one is debateable. My guess would be that he has no qualms about saying whatever is expedient (you know, lying).

subdjoe · « **Reply #117 on:** July 28, 2011, 07:33:31 PM »

Quote from: Casull on July 28, 2011, 06:35:02 PM

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I don't know the answer, but I'll make a good guess: he's found that governing is not the same as campaigning

Well, that is a guess. Whether it is a "good" one is debateable. My guess would be that he has no qualms about saying whatever is expedient (you know, lying).

Might not be "good" but likely accurate. I would add that he is likely finding that without the backing and strong arm of the Chicago Democratic Machine backing him his word isn't law. And that he can't just wave his hand and say "Yeah, I'm here" when he has to make a decision.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #118 on:** July 29, 2011, 03:49:52 AM »

When young and dumb supported by mom and dad many are libs as they start to work they often start to earn money then seeit taken and wasted . Maybe he is making the transition

srussell · « **Reply #119 on:** July 29, 2011, 10:38:42 AM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on July 28, 2011, 05:51:59 PM

Quote from: Mohawk on July 28, 2011, 03:35:07 PM
The President has not closed the prison. Has anyone wondered why? Has he been given information that weighed against his promise to close it? The President can close all military action in the middle east, Abu, and other locations with his breath. Why has he not done that?

I don't know the answer, but I'll make a good guess: he's found that governing is not the same as campaigning.

well you got that right. to campain and get elected you tell people what they want to hear not the truth.