Hot Damn! An Australian Judge Nails It!

[subdjoe]

Man who had relationship with primary-school girl jailed for 10 years

A MAN who claimed it was culturally acceptable for him to have a sexual relationship with a primary-school child who later bore him a son will spend up to 10 years in jail.

The 31-year-old, now classified as a pedophile, had claimed his cultural background meant age was not a relevant factor in choosing a wife or sexual partner, the County Court in Melbourne heard.

But in sentencing the man, who migrated as a refugee from a north-Asian country, Judge Lisa Hannan said his continued sexual relationship with the girl - from the age of eight until she fell pregnant  - was repulsive and defied morality.

The court heard the man, who was married to an adult at the time of the offending and already had a child, had an IQ in the bottom 5 per cent for his age group.

"Your conduct is abhorrent to anyone with even a shred of decency or moral compass,'' Judge Hannan said.

"Whether or not it may or might have been acceptable in any culture in any part of the world is irrelevant.''

The court heard the man, who pleaded guilty to charges of persistent sexual abuse of a minor and child stealing, had told authorities in his cultural background "there were no restrictions on age'' for a relationship.

But Judge Hannan said the man knew he was breaking Australian law, that he initially lied about having sex with the child and attempted to procure an abortion before a baby was born in 2010.

"You knew what you were doing was wrong,'' the judge said.

Judge Hannan, in setting a seven-year minimum, said his "disgraceful desires'' had "robbed her of her childhood''.

Judge Hannan also disputed the extent of the man's remorse, noting he continued to try to justify his relationship with her - including saying he loved her "for real''.

"I do not think you are truly remorseful ... indeed you still seek to justify it.''

But, of course, there are some who will justify it:

New Saudi Fatwa Defends Pedophilia as 'Marriage'

Muslim "child-marriage"—euphemism for pedophilia—is making headlines again, at least in Arabic media: Dr. Salih bin Fawzan, a prominent cleric and member of Saudi Arabia's highest religious council, just issued a fatwa asserting that there is no minimum age for marriage, and that girls can be married "even if they are in the cradle."

Appearing in Saudi papers on July 13, the fatwa complains that "Uninformed interference with Sharia rulings by the press and journalists is on the increase, posing dire consequences to society, including their interference with the question of marriage to small girls who have not reached maturity, and their demand that a minimum age be set for girls to marry."

Fawzan insists that nowhere does Sharia set an age limit for marrying girls: like countless Muslim scholars before him, he relies on Koran 65:4, which discusses marriage to females who have not yet begun menstruating (i.e., are prepubescent)  and the fact that Muhammad, Islam's role model, married Aisha when she was 6-years-old, "consummating" the marriage—or, in modern parlance, raping her—when she was 9.

The point of the Saudi fatwa, however, is not that girls as young as 9 can have sex, based on Muhammad's example, but rather that there is no age limit whatsoever; the only question open to consideration is whether the girl is physically capable of handling her husband/rapist.  Fawzan documents this point by quoting Ibn Batal's authoritative exegesis of Sahih Bukhari:

    The ulema [Islam's interpreters] have agreed that it is permissible for fathers to marry off their small daughters, even if they are in the cradle.  But it is not permissible for their husbands to have sex with them unless they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the men.  And their capability in this regard varies based on their nature and capacity.  Aisha was 6 when she married the prophet, but he had sex with her when she was 9 [i.e., when she was deemed capable].

Fawzan concludes his fatwa with a warning: "It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit.  For laws are Allah's province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other.  And among these are the rules governing marriage."

Fawzan, of course, is not the first to insist on the legitimacy of pedophilia in Islam.  Even the former grand mufti of Saudi Arabia supported "child-marriage," since "the Koran and Sunna document it."

Nor is this just some theoretic, theological point; the lives of many young girls are being destroyed because of this ruling.  Recall, for instance, the 13-year-old girl who died while her much older husband was copulating with her (it was later revealed that, due to her reluctance, he was tying her up and "raping" her—as if there is another way to describe sex with children); or the 12-year-old who died giving birth to a stillborn; or the 10-year-old who made headlines by hiding out from her 80-year-old "husband."

Then there are the countless anonymous girls who do nothing to warrant any media attention—such as die—and have learned to live with their elderly husbands pawing at them, like, no doubt, the girl who married Islam's most popular cleric, Yusuf Qaradawi, when she was 14.

What do we make of the fact that it is always Islam's religious, authoritative voices—not aberrant voices, not "terrorists," "extremists," or any other euphemism coined for the occasion—that are constantly demonstrating Sharia's savageries?  Weeks before this fatwa, a female politician and activist in Kuwait called for institutionalizing sex-slavery (recommending that Muslims buy and sell female Russian captives from the Chechnya war); a popular Egyptian preacher not only said the same thing, but added that the solution to Islam's poverty is to go on jihad and plunder the lives and possessions of infidels.

Sounds odd?  Perhaps; but it is perfectly consistent.  After all, distilled and in the eyes of the non-believer, Sharia law is nothing less than a legal system built atop the words and deeds of a 7th century Arab, whose behavior—from pedophilia and sex-slavery to war mongering and plundering—was very much that of a 7th century Arab.  Having enticed or enslaved his contemporaries into following him, his teachings continue to entice and enslave their descendants; and, now as then, it is always the innocent who suffer.

[BUGEYE]

I said it in another thread.  islam needs to be bombed into oblivion.  no other religion on earth advocates killing innocents.  these people are the scum of the earth.  and this is the very reason that I have two people on ignore.  they will be along soon to take up for this scum and it bothers me to see these vile lowlifes spout their evil.

[powderman]

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/07/26/new-saudi-fatwa-defends-pedophilia-as-marriage/
 
 
Just look at the all eager blushing brides. POWDERMAN. 

[subdjoe]

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[powderman]

SUBJOE. They take that sicko cult with them everywhere they go. They have infected the entire world with their cancer. POWDERMAN. 

[dukkillr]

see also:

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,238032.0.html

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[subdjoe]

Thanks, Dukkiller, that makes a lot of sense.

Bugeye, Powderman - you are soooo intolerant!  And how dare you presume to judge them by your tired, corrupt judeo-christian mores! You must view things through the others cultural context, embrace and celebrate the rich cultural diversity such things bring.












Or something like that.

[quasne.inc]

The fact that they condone this just makes me sick to my stomach. 

[powderman]

The fact that they condone this just makes me sick to my stomach.

 
Me too, but it's sharia, and it's coming to a town near us all. A judge in Fla already used sharia to justify a rape case against a man filed by his wife. POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

Enlighten me if I'm mistaken , isn't child marriage also practiced in India by non-muslims?

[Dixie Dude]

I think in India, marriages are arranged by parents.  I do think they use a little more common sense and wait until the girl reaches puberty.  I know of an Indian couple in town.  The girls parents became American citizens, when she finished college, she married a man from India that was about 35.  At least they waited until the girl got her education.  Both live here now.  Girl was 2 when her parents immigrated here, got their educations, and became successful businesspeople locally.  She was as American as apple pie, but she went by her parents arrangement.  Guy she married speaks good English and manages a local motel, and he is good to her.  He also told me he hates Muslims.  Said in India they always were the ones to start fights and wars. 

[powderman]

In The pic I posted of the poor little girls and the smiling, leering perverts holding their hands, the children were probably SOLD by their parents, at least fathers. See the big smiles on the little girls faces?? I don't either, more a what are you going to do with me look. Their hero mohamed set a fine example by marrying a 6 year  old child. Looks like those in the pic are a might younger than that. Not sure about the arranged marriages in India but I don't think they condone child rape like muslims do. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

I took another look at the link I posted and it's a good thing a couple of those girls were getting married. Looked like a couple of them were almost old maids, maybe 8 or even 9 years old, the rest look to be about 4 or 5. What kind of a man would sell his baby girl to a pervert knowing what she was in for?? Easy answer, a muslim. POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

Females, young or old in a number of countries are considered property or undesirable or both.
 
You keep measuring those places with our Standards. BTW our Standards in other things are nothing to brag about either.
 
In case you thought that I support those marriages, nope, not one mm or gr.

[powderman]

Scatter. I knew you didn't support it, never meant to imply you did. 

[BBF]

Wasn't pickin' on you, there are others that might have gotten the impression.
 
Re India: Thinking back, I believe these child marriages are always between the very young not male adults and female children. Obviously there is no consummation. It is more of a "Future Promise" to cement relationships with other families.
 
BTW I see the leader of that Fundamental Mormon Church is in the News again. Old to very old Perverts got his blessings to violate young women.

[yellowtail3]

I said it in another thread.  islam needs to be bombed into oblivion...   these people are the scum of the earth.

Yikes. Should we kill ALL Muslims? Is this another one of those 'nits make lice' cases, where the goal is to kill all the children, too?

and this is the very reason that I have two people on ignore.  they will be along soon to take up for this scum and it bothers me to see these vile lowlifes spout their evil.

That is an uncharitable expression, Bugeye - who are these vile lowlifes?Have they ever advocating an adult bedding an... eight year-old, which is what the article at top of thread is about?

[BBF]

The article did say feeble minded however not enough to be aware his actions were illegal in Australia since he tried to hide them, so according the the Judge.
 
There is something positive about performing several specific surgical procedures to eliminate further transgressions.

[subdjoe]

There is something positive about performing several specific surgical procedures to eliminate further transgressions.

High speed injection of 174 grains of copper jacketed lead?

[powderman]

There is something positive about performing several specific surgical procedures to eliminate further transgressions.

High speed injection of 174 grains of copper jacketed lead?

 
SUBJOE. That would be the prescription I would reccomend. 
BUGEYE. Don't bite. POWDERMAN. 

[quasne.inc]

A Bobbit-style-ectomy would do the trick to. 

[BBF]

   Heh heh heh ( manic giggles)It apears I have more imagination then posted above.

[Casull]

Nobody in the enlightened world supports pedio-marriages; except perhaps in Kentucky-Tennessee hill country..

 
Cute, a cheap shot.       Hey, I've got an idea, tm.  Why don't you go find one them there people and tell him that. 

[powderman]

Nobody in the enlightened world supports pedio-marriages; except perhaps in Kentucky-Tennessee hill country..

 
Cute, a cheap shot.       Hey, I've got an idea, tm.  Why don't you go find one them there people and tell him that.

 
CASULL. I'm used to it, I chalk it up to ignorance and consider the source POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

Thank goodness we never see cheap shots around here...

[Casull]

 

Thank goodness we never see cheap shots around here...

     Thanks, yellow.  Adding much of substance, as usual. 

[yellowtail3]

Thank goodness we never see cheap shots around here...

     Thanks, yellow.  Adding much of substance, as usual.

Not all that much, really... but sometimes hypocrisy needs to be called out. Maybe this wasn't one of those times?

Here's hoping the little girl in Australia will be alright.