It sure does my heart good...

[ironglow]

Does my heart good.. to hear another vet tell a politician the unvarnished truth!  Many of those politicians who live in their palatial offices on capitol hill... just dreaming of new ways to p _ _ s away more of our tax money, should hear this message....
  Hooray for this jarhead !   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DAL3CZ9fCo&feature=related    Semper Fi, brother !

[yellowtail3]

Does my heart good.. to hear another vet tell a politician the unvarnished truth!  Many of those politicians who live in their palatial offices on capitol hill... just dreaming of new ways to p _ _ s away more of our tax money, should hear this message....
  Hooray for this jarhead !   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DAL3CZ9fCo&feature=related    Semper Fi, brother !

Mr Disabled Veteran Marine doesn't seem all that disabled, at least no physically; he gives a passable rant, and was able to follow his script well enough. I think he'd have fallen apart in an actual conversation, let alone debate.

[coldmold]

Not all disabilitys can be seen yellowtail. Does he have to be in a friggin wheel chair or missing a couple of arms for you to consider him disabled>

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. THanks for the link. The real Americans here undertstand and agree. Good for him. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

TM asks;
  " IG...what did you say this Vet's beef actually is....?   that with the new HCare program the Veterans Admin is going to drop medical programs?.....I didn't catch what his beef actually is....sure is fun sounding off to politician geeks, though"
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   Actually, it is not so difficult to figure out if one indeed does view the video.. He made it plain he kept his promise to "protect and defend the Constitution of the US"..  He goes on to explain how the Nazis took over such things as healthcare, financials and the auto industry..because many of the German politicians decided to suck up to the Nazis, rather than do their sworn duty.
   Today, our admin in Washington laughs at our constitution (calls it a "living document") and appoints 'czars' to usurp decisions which should be left to congress alone.
  That Marine simply (and correctly) asked that politician when HE was going to live up to the OATH he took ...concerning our  constitution..
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  Disabled veterans..  some clowns try to judge (and ridicule) a veteran's degree of disability from outward appearances... I am pleased to see that you didn't latch onto that train...it's a loser.  Many vets LOOK healthy, but the scars are buried deep within..  Don't have to be a "rocket scientist' to figure that out !

[Casull]

The marine has a non-working view of history....Nazis did what any country would have done anywhere in world when confronted with stagflation, stravation, no heat, banker domination, failed economy and economic plunder.....

 
Oh, you mean try to take over the world and exterminate the Jews?

[powderman]

The marine has a non-working view of history....Nazis did what any country would have done anywhere in world when confronted with stagflation, stravation, no heat, banker domination, failed economy and economic plunder.....

 
Oh, you mean try to take over the world and exterminate the Jews?

 
CASULL. Yep, thats about right. POWDERMAN. 

[Casull]

Wow, tm, you sure got your panties in a bunch. 
 

What I said is any country faced with starvation, no fuel, hopelessness, freezing conditions, stagflation, utter collapse, and picked apart by outsiders will have to resort to nationalizing industries and stabilizing their currency and other drastic actions....whether it be nazi Germany or Chili, or South Africa, or perhaps this country in the future.

No, what you actually said was: 

Nazis did what any country would have done anywhere in world when confronted with stagflation, stravation, no heat, banker domination, failed economy and economic plunder.....

Now, unless you're going to try to say that the Nazi's did NOT try to take over the world and did NOT try to exterminate the Jews, my post was accurate and nothing for you to start b**tching about.
 
 

[ironglow]

It's a rare thing to hear someone say the Nazis were .."right on " !  I guess the good old boys featured in the' Odessa files' would agree with him though !

[Stillkickin]

"; he gives a passable rant, and was able to follow his script well enough. I think he'd have fallen apart in an actual conversation, let alone debate."
That would put him at least on a par with, or maybe a leg up on, somebody who can only give speeches from a teleprompter.
I think this is from a town meeting at least a year ago and don't know if that representative was up for re-election last year or not.  Does anybody know who he is and if he still holds that office?  That would be interesting to hear.

[powderman]

What I said is the nazis governmnet did what ever was necessary to curtail stagflation, starvation, freezing, unemployment, and to get their country back on it's feet....
 
 
tm. YEP. Taking food meds, clothing and other essentials from your own people to keep an army going to attack most every important nation in the world and then murdering 6+ million Jews, yep, that would definitely fix a nation right up.   
CASULL, IRONGLOW. Good posts as always. POWDERMAN. 

[Casull]

tm, I'm tired of talking to conspiracy spouting nonsensical walls.   

[powderman]

tm. You said it was to curtail starvation, etc, your quote, not mine. How did supporting a huge army help the german people?? To support the military meant to take away from the civilians. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

TM said;
 "Now, getting back to the Dr. Feel Good topic of this thread...I re-listened to marine rant....looks like the basis for his beef is possible loss of Vet med benefits and a personalized abstract idea of what swearing oath to the constitution is....he's trying to capitalize on that and the fact he's a disabled vet and so is suppose to have more cred....but he's heavy on emotion but light on content"
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  Again TM; you are as usual, putting words in another man's mouth.  I didn't hear the Marine say a word about his med benefits, even though he had a good point..the pretender prez HAS threatened to pull veteran's med benefits...but not crackheads' benefits..  Still, the Marine said not a word about med benefits.  For any American administration to take over the financial institutoins, the medical system, the auto industries and appoint 32 'czars' for the specific purpose of undermining congress is unconstitutional (IMO).  And there were members of congress who abided by this usurpation of the constitution !
 
     Is it possible that this is exactly what the Marine and the rest of the people were questioning ?
 
       I do find it curious that you would find an oath to our constitution an "abstraction".
    Of course, Maj Nidal Hassan (the Ft Hood  mass-murderer) took the same oath as the Marine did; presumably, he too considered such an oath as "abstract" .
     The marine was NOT "light on content" at all..he was talking to a serving congressman, one of the gang who have been ignoring  our constitution and their sworn oath the last 2.5 years.. He was simply challenging the congressman to live up to that oath.
  Did you notice the other folks in the audience and the standing "O" the Marine got ?  It sure looks like he wasn't alone among the folks in that district, the folks who probably know that congressman best !
  Just run that video again...and see who the crowd considered more honest, upright and rational.        
 
     Here..check the video again..see who the observers believe is correct! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DAL3CZ9fCo&feature=related

[rwng]

Funny how some individuals who are "so much in the know" about the history of the world, never learn from the mistakes of prior generations or cultures. They think that somehow it will work if it's just given another chance.
 
Here is a news flash: Communism does not and can not work. It has been proven time after time. No matter which narcissistic, twisted "genius" has tried to shove it down peoples throats.

[ironglow]

"; he gives a passable rant, and was able to follow his script well enough. I think he'd have fallen apart in an actual conversation, let alone debate."
That would put him at least on a par with, or maybe a leg up on, somebody who can only give speeches from a teleprompter.
I think this is from a town meeting at least a year ago and don't know if that representative was up for re-election last year or not.  Does anybody know who he is and if he still holds that office?  That would be interesting to hear.

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  That was Rep Brian Baird who lives in Emonds near Seattle.  He was in that town hall meeting in August 2009, when he met that Marine.  Come 2010. Baird decided to "hang it up".  He is no longer in congress.
 
   Ron Paul, on Brian Baird..    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?160966-Traitor-File-Congressman-Brian-Baird-(WA)

[powderman]

tm. I never said that, neither did IG so stop stirring. Jesus told his disciples to obey the laws of the country they were in. He knew that the palis were troublemakers, thieves, trespassers, and squatters in Israel, he probably would have told them the same thing, quit breaking the law. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

tm. I never said that, neither did IG so stop stirring. Jesus told his disciples to obey the laws of the country they were in. He knew that the palis were troublemakers, thieves, trespassers, and squatters in Israel, he probably would have told them the same thing, quit breaking the law. POWDERMAN. 

.
 
HEH...Errrr---ummm...I think Jesus was talking about the ''leaven of the Pharisees", which you and IG et al freely parse around.
Now where did he say we should kill modern day Judeans, steal their land, and slow genocide them, and that modern Christians are to applaude and assist that....still waiting for that passage....please consult spinmeisters by PM to find that pasage....thanx....
 
..TM7

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  If you are so sure we said such a thing ... take us back to the post # where we made any such claim..
   
  Come on TM, there's enough dissonance here without "quoting" us on something we NEVER  SAID !  Stick with the truth please...

[ironglow]

OK TM;
   Ask your question again... in ENGLISH !  No jihadist code-talk if you really want an answer..

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. I've come to the conclusion that tm simply cannot understand the written English word. Seems that no matter how many Xs a question is answered he, or she, keeps repeating it. Maybe somebody out there could translate my posts into arabic so he, or she could understand. I'm going to try not to reply to him, or her for a bit. Please somebody change this post into whatever language tm can understand. Thanks. POWDERMAN. 

[Casull]

I'm going to try not to reply to him, or her for a bit.

 
PM, very good idea. 

[ironglow]

OK TM;
   Ask your question again... in ENGLISH !  No jihadist code-talk if you really want an answer..

.
Errr...ummm, I hardly think I'm on a 'jihad', except to bring home troops and deal with the world like other countries peacefully do, but of course I don't embrace your occult eschatolgy roadmap...I believe you're the firster guy supporting jihad in 20 or so countries right now.
 
To answer your question...I asked Pman a simple question, same question I have asked you before....go to post# 20, paragraph 3...a very simple question.  Looking forward to your answer.....thanx
 
..TM7

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  OK .. So here's your question from post #20:
 
 
   " BTW....how are you and IG coming finding that Bible passage where Jesus said we should kill Judeans, i.e modern day Palestinians.? "
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  So here's your answer;
     There is no verse where Jesus authorized any such thing  simply because historically, there were no "Palestinians" before around the dawn of the 20th century when a polyglot gang from various countries started claiming the name !  To ask Jesus' opinion about "Palestinians" during the first century is tantamount to asking how many dozen elephants were shot near the south pole last year !       
 
  One thing I can assure you... Although He didn't like some of the pharisees, Jesus never said we should hate and besmirch the Jews whenever possible. He also did not say we should praise and turn a blind eye to the evils perpetrated by terrorists as they attempt to destroy as many Jews as possible..
   I know you don't like it, but Jesus was born of a Jewish teenager...  I know how you feel with that news..

[powderman]

I'm going to try not to reply to him, or her for a bit.

 
PM, very good idea.

 
CASULL. Thanks, hopefully it will catch on. POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

HEH...Write your answer in any language you want, but just write an answer...WHERE AND WHAT DID JESUS SAY ABOUT KILLING JUDEANS, OR THEIR DESCENDENTS KNOWN AS PALESTINIANS..?   Thanx for the courtesy of an answer...looking forward to it.  ..TM7

Don't hold yer breath expectin' a reasoned response, TM7...

[ironglow]

Poor TM:
   FYI the pharisees were in effect, a political party..a rather headstrong bunch, interpreting documents as they preferred, rather than what they really meant, having little real regard for God...much like liberal Democrats of today.  I said he disagreed with some pharisees..because we have no written record of dealings with Pharisees in the more remote provinces..
  As far as any predictions concerning so-called "Palestinians", there was no need to comment on the Ishmaelites.  God had already addressed that problem :
 
     
  Genesis 16:11-12 New International Version (NIV)    ¹¹ The angel of the LORD also said to her:    “You are now pregnant
   and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,^a]'>[a]
   for the LORD has heard of your misery.
¹² He will be a wild donkey of a man;
   his hand will be against everyone
   and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
   toward^b]'>[b] all his brothers.”   
  Wow!  It.sure galls your butt to understand that Jesus was born to a Jewess, doesn't it !  Sorry about that but truth must win out !  Jesus was born of a Jewess, born in Bethlehem and lived in Nazareth...both Jewish towns.  His 'nativity' was in Bethlehem..making him solidly Jewish.  A descendant of King David, which made Jesus carnally, a descendant of a royal line.
  Even as a child he visited the synagog in Jerusalem to celebrate the passover.  Remember how he taught the teachers in the Temple..when He was just 12 years old ?  His followers called Him "Rabbi" or "Rabboni"..He could not have been a rabbi if He were not a 'proven' Jew !
  He was called "King of the Jews" (Matt 2:2)  He identified himself as "King of the Jews".. (Mark 15:2).... fact is, He identified himself as a Jew.  (John 4:22)..
 
  Here's a Sunday School lesson for you...  http://jesusisajew.org/Jesus_is_a_Jew.php
 
  Now; all we have to decide individually is..which is the more reliable authority..TM ..or the Bible ?

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. All true but I fear that truth is lost on some folks. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

  TM;
  There are many thing you haven't picked up on...  The real Bible for one..    I expect most Christians here, believe the Bible  (received text) to be true..in spite of your "other gospel" version.
   You have company in not accepting the cannon as received...  Goebbels, Blavatsky, Koresh, Heydrich, Jim Jones, Karl Marx, Russell, Alister Crowley etc. 

[ironglow]

   Here is an article by a Jewish professor at Brown University, along with professors from Yale Divinity and Boston U...speaking about Jesus being a Jew'
 
     
  Shaye I.D. Cohen:[size=-1]Samuel Ungerleider Professor of Judaic Studies and Professor of Religious Studies Brown University[/size] Was Jesus Jewish and, if he was, how would that have influenced his experiences as a young man growing up in Galilee?
"Was Jesus a Jew? Of course, Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues. He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible. He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He went on pilgrimage to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem where he was under the authority of priests.... He lived, was born, lived, died, taught as a Jew. This is obvious to any casual reader of the gospel text. What's striking is not so much that he was a Jew but that the gospels make no pretense that he wasn't. The gospels have no sense yet that Jesus was anything other than a Jew. The gospels don't even have a sense that he came to found a new religion, an idea completely foreign to all the gospel text, and completely foreign to Paul. That is an idea which comes about only later. So, to say that he was a Jew is saying a truism, is simply stating an idea that is so obvious on the face of it, one wonders it even needs to be said. But, of course, it does need to be said because we all know what happens later in the story, where it turns out that Christianity becomes something other than Judaism and as a result, Jesus in retrospect is seen not as a Jew, but as something else, as a founder of Christianity. But, of course, he was a Jew."
  (click the link for more
Read more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/jesus/bornliveddied.html#ixzz1UT7fUW5T *****************************************************************************************    .. But I guess we are to assume that TM understands Jews and their history much better than Profs Cohen, Claus & Aurelio.. *************************************************************************************** 
Again;  Do we trust the Bible...or do we trust TM ?  C'mon TM, I have posted some of my sources..now post yours !
 
 

[BUGEYE]

Again;  Do we trust the Bible...or do we trust TM ?

I trust completely in the bible.  people that don't are consigning themselves to hell.  but God gives them that choice.

[ironglow]

Right Bugeye;
  Our God is a God who honors "free will"..