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Matt Damon's view of education
« on: August 02, 2011, 04:30:13 AM »
Matt Damon’s clear-headed speech to teachers rallyBy  Valerie Strauss
Actor Matt Damon speaks at the "Save Our Schools" rally on the Ellipse on July 30, 2011.                   (Tracy A Woodward - THE WASHINGTON POST)               Here is the speech that actor Matt Damon gave today to thousands of teachers, parents and others who attended the Save Our Schools march  on the Ellipse near the White House to protest the Obama administration’s education policies that are centered on standardized tests.
Damon was the last of many speakers, including Diane Ravitch, Linda Darling-Hammond, Deb Meier and Jonathan Kozol. I’ve published posts  of theirs before, so here is something different: Damon’s common-sense, straight-to-the-point speech.
I flew overnight from Vancouver to be with you today. I landed in New York a few hours ago and caught a flight down here because I needed to tell you all in person that I think you’re awesome.
I was raised by a teacher. My mother is a professor of early childhood education. And from the time I went to kindergarten through my senior year in high school, I went to public schools. I wouldn’t trade that education and experience for anything.
I had incredible teachers. As I look at my life today, the things I value most about myself — my imagination, my love of acting, my passion for writing, my love of learning, my curiosity — all come from how I was parented and taught.
And none of these qualities that I’ve just mentioned — none of these qualities that I prize so deeply, that have brought me so much joy, that have brought me so much professional success — none of these qualities that make me who I am ... can be tested.
I said before that I had incredible teachers. And that’s true. But it’s more than that. My teachers were EMPOWERED to teach me. Their time wasn’t taken up with a bunch of test prep — this silly drill and kill nonsense that any serious person knows doesn’t promote real learning. No, my teachers were free to approach me and every other kid in that classroom like an individual puzzle. They took so much care in figuring out who we were and how to best make the lessons resonate with each of us. They were empowered to unlock our potential. They were allowed to be teachers.
Now don’t get me wrong. I did have a brush with standardized tests at one point. I remember because my mom went to the principal’s office and said, ‘My kid ain’t taking that. It’s stupid, it won’t tell you anything and it’ll just make him nervous.’ That was in the ’70s when you could talk like that.
I shudder to think that these tests are being used today to control where funding goes.
I don’t know where I would be today if my teachers’ job security was based on how I performed on some standardized test. If their very survival as teachers was based on whether I actually fell in love with the process of learning but rather if I could fill in the right bubble on a test. If they had to spend most of their time desperately drilling us and less time encouraging creativity and original ideas; less time knowing who we were, seeing our strengths and helping us realize our talents.
I honestly don’t know where I’d be today if that was the type of education I had. I sure as hell wouldn’t be here. I do know that.
This has been a horrible decade for teachers. I can’t imagine how demoralized you must feel. But I came here today to deliver an important message to you: As I get older, I appreciate more and more the teachers that I had growing up. And I’m not alone. There are millions of people just like me.
So the next time you’re feeling down, or exhausted, or unappreciated, or at the end of your rope; the next time you turn on the TV and see yourself called “overpaid;” the next time you encounter some simple-minded, punitive policy that’s been driven into your life by some corporate reformer who has literally never taught anyone anything. ... Please know that there are millions of us behind you. You have an army of regular people standing right behind you, and our appreciation for what you do is so deeply felt. We love you, we thank you and we will always have your back

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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 04:53:49 AM »
Considering what he does for a living, I guess his education suited him just fine. Wonder how many people in the real world could make it with that kind of education? Think that all the engineers and doctors could make a living without having standardized tests? At least enough to know how far up the education ladder they've climbed. Being an actor, and making alot of money is fine. But, the world needs more business people,professional's,medical reasearchers, scientists, than actors. gypsyman
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 04:55:03 AM »
Yep, get rid of all standardized testing and all rote teaching.  Students don't need to know how to read, spell, or add and subtract.  All they need is the ability to learn their own way.   ::)
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 04:56:03 AM »
Dang it, Gypsyman.  Your post hit while I was typing and you stole my thunder.   ;)
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2011, 05:10:21 AM »
the biggest problem that I see in our state is that the teachers have to spend too much time on disipline.
all you can do to trouble makers is suspend them which is just a little vacation for them.
trouble makers should be EXPELLED and made to repeat the year. which just might make mom and dad get involved.
all this can be laid at the feet of the liberals who want students to FEEL good rather than test good.
a standardized test could decide if that student is capable of moving to the next level.
our schools have been dumbed down so much that few kids can pass a test.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2011, 05:34:12 AM »
Did you ever stop to think how much education time is lost due to standardized testing ?  Some standardized testing is a good, but it's overdone and wastes alot of valuable time.

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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2011, 05:39:15 AM »
Did you ever stop to think how much education time is lost due to standardized testing ?  Some standardized testing is a good, but it's overdone and wastes alot of valuable time.

I think that's probably true. Lots of time spent prepping for tests, rather than teaching.
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2011, 06:13:00 AM »
Teachers barely teach any more. They leave that task up to computers and calculaters.

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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2011, 06:15:07 AM »
I have a solution that should make everyone happy.
1) we tax hollywood 75% of all pay/ income over 1 Million ( liberals say we are not paying enough in taxes)  Heck make it retro active for two years.
2) we eliminate all national testing, the NEA and Department of education.
3) we take the tax monies from the 75% tax and divide it up evenly between all the school boards and allow the local school boards to set criteria as to what is taught and the standards.
4) we take the education budgets and cut 1/2 of the middle managment jobs and raise the teachers salary.  Not sure what this will do.  But it sounds good.  If we paid the teachers an extra 10K a year would they be better teachers or just making more?  I mean really do we have little jimmy in science class that asks a question and the teacher says "if I mande more i would be able to answer you.
Of course this moron will say these things.  He has to be seen as a huge lefty so he can sell his screen plays and get jobs that pay Millions to tell us we do not pay enough in taxes.

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2011, 06:20:46 AM »
mcwoodduck, your point #2 would help a bunch.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2011, 06:27:12 AM »
Did you ever stop to think how much education time is lost due to standardized testing ?  Some standardized testing is a good, but it's overdone and wastes alot of valuable time.
But if  the test shows the mastery of the skills of language, math, history, government, and science how else do you find out if the teachers are actually teaching.  If they teach to the test don't the kids still learn Math, Language, history, government and science even if it is only to pass the test showing that the teachers are actually teaching?
The question is better asked what do they do with the information gathered from the tests?  Find out what was not taught and make corrections, evaluate the teachers and their skill levels, find out what or why the kids are not getting simple concepts?  What if we made the tests pass fail?  Either 75% of your kids pass the standard test with an 80% or higher or you fail to have a job here teaching.
How about we pay teachers 75K a year.  and the average grade the kids get on the test is what percentage we give you of that 75K?  If you fall below a certain percentage say 75% you are let go at the end of the school year.

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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2011, 06:47:14 AM »
Did you ever stop to think how much education time is lost due to standardized testing ?  Some standardized testing is a good, but it's overdone and wastes alot of valuable time.
But if  the test shows the mastery of the skills of language, math, history, government, and science how else do you find out if the teachers are actually teaching.  If they teach to the test don't the kids still learn Math, Language, history, government and science even if it is only to pass the test showing that the teachers are actually teaching?
The question is better asked what do they do with the information gathered from the tests?  Find out what was not taught and make corrections, evaluate the teachers and their skill levels, find out what or why the kids are not getting simple concepts?  What if we made the tests pass fail?  Either 75% of your kids pass the standard test with an 80% or higher or you fail to have a job here teaching.
How about we pay teachers 75K a year.  and the average grade the kids get on the test is what percentage we give you of that 75K?  If you fall below a certain percentage say 75% you are let go at the end of the school year.
You are under the false assumption that all students want to learn. I would want to be a teacher is a school where the students value and education. Teachers in a getto school district would be fired in a year according to your plan.

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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2011, 06:48:25 AM »
I remember taking lots of standardized test while I was in school.  There was no preparing for them, you just went in one day and the teachers said for everyone to go to the lunch room.  That's where they did the testing.  I excelled at these test, scoring in the top five to ten percent.  The test were easy to take, did not make me nervous.  Shocked the teachers, that the class clown, and a dumb country boy, could do well on a test.

If a child can not take a test, there is underlying issues with that kid.  How is a child that gets nervous and unable to test, going to be able to handle life's challenges.  Oh they arn't, they are going to live and sponge off the parents the rest of their lives.  When the parents are gone, the government will take care of the disfunctional ones.
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2011, 06:54:41 AM »
Standardized Testing and Its Victims
By Alfie Kohn
Standardized testing has swelled and mutated, like a creature in one of those old horror movies, to the point that it now threatens to swallow our schools whole. (Of course, on "The Late, Late Show," no one ever insists that the monster is really doing us a favor by making its victims more "accountable.") But let's put aside metaphors and even opinions for a moment so that we can review some indisputable facts on the subject.
Fact 1. Our children are tested to an extent that is unprecedented in our history and unparalleled anywhere else in the world. While previous generations of American students have had to sit through tests, never have the tests been given so frequently, and never have they played such a prominent role in schooling. The current situation is also unusual from an international perspective: Few countries use standardized tests for children below high school age—or multiple-choice tests for students of any age.
Fact 2. Noninstructional factors explain most of the variance among test scores when schools or districts are compared. A study of math results on the 1992 National Assessment of Educational Progress found that the combination of four such variables (number of parents living at home, parents' educational background, type of community, and poverty rate) accounted for a whopping 89 percent of the differences in state scores. To the best of my knowledge, all such analyses of state tests have found comparable results, with the numbers varying only slightly as a function of which socioeconomic variables were considered.
Fact 3. Norm-referenced tests were never intended to measure the quality of learning or teaching. The Stanford, Metropolitan, and California Achievement Tests (SAT, MAT, and CAT), as well as the Iowa and Comprehensive Tests of Basic Skills (ITBS and CTBS), are designed so that only about half the test-takers will respond correctly to most items. The main objective of these tests is to rank, not to rate; to spread out the scores, not to gauge the quality of a given student or school.
Fact 4. Standardized-test scores often measure superficial thinking. In a study published in the Journal of Educational Psychology, elementary school students were classified as "actively" engaged in learning if they asked questions of themselves while they read and tried to connect what they were doing to past learning; and as "superficially" engaged if they just copied down answers, guessed a lot, and skipped the hard parts. It turned out that high scores on both the CTBS and the MAT were more likely to be found among students who exhibited the superficial approach to learning. Similar findings have emerged from studies of middle school students (also using the CTBS) and high school students (using the other SAT, the college-admission exam). To be sure, there are plenty of students who think deeply and score well on tests—and plenty of students who do neither. But, as a rule, it appears that standardized-test results are positively correlated with a shallow approach to learning.
Fact 5. Virtually all specialists condemn the practice of giving standardized tests to children younger than 8 or 9 years old. I say "virtually" to cover myself here, but, in fact, I have yet to find a single reputable scholar in the field of early-childhood education who endorses such testing for young children.
Fact 6. Virtually all relevant experts and organizations condemn the practice of basing important decisions, such as graduation or promotion, on the results of a single test. The National Research Council takes this position, as do most other professional groups (such as the American Educational Research Association and the American Psychological Association), the generally pro-testing American Federation of Teachers, and even the companies that manufacture and sell the exams. Yet just such high-stakes testing is currently taking place, or scheduled to be introduced soon, in more than half the states.
Fact 7. The time, energy, and money that are being devoted to preparing students for standardized tests have to come from somewhere. Schools across the country are cutting back or even eliminating programs in the arts, recess for young children, electives for high schoolers, class meetings (and other activities intended to promote social and moral learning), discussions about current events (since that material will not appear on the test), the use of literature in the early grades (if the tests are focused narrowly on decoding skills), and entire subject areas such as science (if the tests cover only language arts and math). Anyone who doubts the scope and significance of what is being sacrificed in the desperate quest to raise scores has not been inside a school lately.
Fact 8. Many educators are leaving the field because of what is being done to schools in the name of "accountability" and "tougher standards." I have no hard numbers here, but there is more than enough anecdotal evidence—corroborated by administrators, teacher-educators, and other observers across the country, and supported by several state surveys that quantify the extent of disenchantment with testing— to warrant classifying this as a fact. Prospective teachers are rethinking whether they want to begin a career in which high test scores matter most, and in which they will be pressured to produce these scores. Similarly, as the New York Times reported in its lead story of Sept. 3, 2000, "a growing number of schools are rudderless, struggling to replace a graying corps of principals at a time when the pressure to raise test scores and other new demands have made an already difficult job an increasingly thankless one." It also seems clear that most of the people who are quitting, or seriously thinking about doing so, are not mediocre performers who are afraid of being held accountable. Rather, they are among the very best educators, frustrated by the difficulty of doing high-quality teaching in the current climate.
 
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Faced with inconvenient facts such as these, the leading fall-back position for defenders of standardized testing runs as follows: Even if it's true that suburban schools are being dumbed down by the tests, inner-city schools are often horrendous to begin with. There, at least, standards are finally being raised as a result of high-stakes testing.
Let's assume this argument is made in good faith, rather than as a cover for pursuing a standards-and-testing agenda for other reasons. Moreover, let's immediately concede the major premise here, that low-income minority students have been badly served for years. The problem is that the cure is in many ways worse than the disease—and not only because of the preceding eight facts, which remain both stubbornly true and painfully relevant to testing in the inner city. As Sen. Paul Wellstone, D-Minn., put it in a speech delivered last spring: "Making students accountable for test scores works well on a bumper sticker, and it allows many politicians to look good by saying that they will not tolerate failure. But it represents a hollow promise. Far from improving education, high-stakes testing marks a major retreat from fairness, from accuracy, from quality, and from equity." Here's why.
*The tests may be biased. For decades, critics have complained that many standardized tests are unfair because the questions require a set of knowledge and skills more likely to be possessed by children from a privileged background. The discriminatory effect is particularly pronounced with norm-referenced tests, where the imperative to spread out the scores often produces questions that tap knowledge gained outside of school. This, as W. James Popham argues, provides a powerful advantage to students whose parents are affluent and well-educated. It's more than a little ironic to rely on biased tests to "close the gap" between rich and poor.
*Guess who can afford better test preparation. When the stakes rise, people seek help anywhere they can find it, and companies eager to profit from this desperation by selling test-prep materials and services have begun to appear on the scene, most recently tailoring their products to state exams. Naturally, affluent families, schools, and districts are better able to afford such products, and the most effective versions of such products, thereby exacerbating the inequity of such testing. Moreover, when poorer schools do manage to scrape together the money to buy these materials, it's often at the expense of books and other educational resources that they really need.
*The quality of instruction declines most for those who have least. Standardized tests tend to measure the temporary acquisition of facts and skills, including the skill of test-taking itself, more than genuine understanding. To that extent, the fact that such tests are more likely to be used and emphasized in schools with higher percentages of minority students (a fact that has been empirically verified) predictably results in poorer-quality teaching in such schools. The use of a high-stakes strategy only underscores the preoccupation with these tests and, as a result, accelerates a reliance on direct-instruction techniques and endless practice tests. "Skills-based instruction, the type to which most children of color are subjected, tends to foster low-level uniformity and subvert academic potential," as Dorothy Strickland, an African-American professor at Rutgers University, has remarked.
Again, there's no denying that many schools serving low-income children of color were second-rate to begin with. Now, however, some of these schools, in Chicago, Houston, Baltimore, and elsewhere, are arguably becoming third-rate as testing pressures lead to a more systematic use of low-level, drill-and-skill teaching, often in the context of packaged programs purchased by school districts. Thus, when someone emphasizes the importance of "higher expectations" for minority children, we might reply, "Higher expectations to do what? Bubble-in more ovals correctly on a bad test—or pursue engaging projects that promote sophisticated thinking?" The movement driven by "tougher standards," "accountability," and similar slogans arguably lowers meaningful expectations insofar as it relies on standardized testing as the primary measure of achievement. The more that poor children fill in worksheets on command (in an effort to raise their test scores), the further they fall behind affluent kids who are more likely to get lessons that help them understand ideas. If the drilling does result in higher scores, the proper response is not celebration, but outrage: The test results may well have improved at the expense of real learning.
*Standards aren't the main ingredient that's in low supply. Anyone who is serious about addressing the inequities of American education would naturally want to investigate differences in available resources. A good argument could be made that the fairest allocation strategy, which is only common sense in some countries, is to provide not merely equal amounts across schools and districts, but more for the most challenging student populations. This does happen in some states—by no means all—but, even when it does, the money is commonly offered as a short-term grant (hardly sufficient to compensate for years of inadequate funding) and is often earmarked for test preparation rather than for higher-quality teaching. Worse, high-stakes testing systems may provide more money to those already successful (for example, in the form of bonuses for good scores) and less to those whose need is greatest.
Many public officials, along with like-minded journalists and other observers, are apt to minimize the matter of resources and assume that everything deficient about education for poor and minority children can be remedied by more forceful demands that we "raise the bar." The implication here would seem to be that teachers and students could be doing a better job but have, for some reason, chosen not to do so and need only be bribed or threatened into improvement. (In fact, this is the tacit assumption behind all incentive systems.) The focus among policymakers has been on standards of outcome rather than standards of opportunity.
To make matters worse, some supporters of high-stakes testing have not just ignored, but contemptuously dismissed, the relevance of barriers to achievement in certain neighborhoods. Explanations about very real obstacles such as racism, poverty, fear of crime, low teacher salaries, inadequate facilities, and language barriers are sometimes written off as mere "excuses." This is at once naive and callous, and, like any other example of minimizing the relevance of structural constraints, ultimately serves the interests of those fortunate enough not to face them.
*Those allegedly being helped will be driven out. When rewards and punishments are applied to educators, those who teach low-scoring populations are the most likely to be branded as failures and may decide to leave the profession. Minority and low-income students are disproportionately affected by the incessant pressure on teachers to raise scores. But when high stakes are applied to the students themselves, there is little doubt about who is most likely to be denied diplomas as a consequence of failing an exit exam—or who will simply give up and drop out in anticipation of such an outcome. If states persist in making a student's fate rest on a single test, the likely result over the next few years will be nothing short of catastrophic. Unless we act to stop this, we will be facing a scenario that might be described without exaggeration as an educational ethnic cleansing.
Let's be charitable and assume that the ethnic aspect of this perfectly predictable consequence is unintentional. Still, it is hard to deny that high-stakes testing, even when the tests aren't norm-referenced, is ultimately about sorting. Someone unfamiliar with the relevant psychological research (and with reality) might insist that raising the bar will "motivate" more students to succeed. But perform the following thought experiment: Imagine that almost all the students in a given state met the standards and passed the tests. What would be the reaction from most politicians, businesspeople, and pundits? Would they now concede that our public schools are terrific—or would they take this result as prima facie evidence that the standards were too low and the tests were too easy? As Deborah Meier and others have observed, the phrase "high standards" by definition means standards that everyone won't be able to meet.
The tests are just the means by which this game is played. It is a game that a lot of kids—predominantly kids of color—simply cannot win. Invoking these very kids to justify a top-down, heavy-handed, corporate-style, test-driven version of school reform requires a stunning degree of audacity. To take the cause of equity seriously is to work for the elimination of tracking, for more equitable funding, and for the universal implementation of more sophisticated approaches to pedagogy (as opposed to heavily scripted direct-instruction programs). But standardized testing, while bad news across the board, is especially hurtful to students who need our help the most.

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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2011, 07:16:01 AM »
Weren't standardized tests popularized to raise the quality of education in states like Mississippi, which consistently turned out worse students than some other states? I think the idea was to improve results nation-wide. Also, I think another goal was to have standards by which to gauge US student performance against performance of students in other countries.
 
So, the question is where is it working, and where is it not working? Then eliminate the things that aren't working.
 
But alas, one suspects that the parts that don't work are federally mandated.

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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2011, 08:06:06 AM »
Damon was in TV the other days saying he doesn't mind paying higher taxes. GOOD, he can always volunteer more of his own.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2011, 10:45:41 AM »
Did you ever stop to think how much education time is lost due to standardized testing ?  Some standardized testing is a good, but it's overdone and wastes alot of valuable time.
But if  the test shows the mastery of the skills of language, math, history, government, and science how else do you find out if the teachers are actually teaching.  If they teach to the test don't the kids still learn Math, Language, history, government and science even if it is only to pass the test showing that the teachers are actually teaching?
The question is better asked what do they do with the information gathered from the tests?  Find out what was not taught and make corrections, evaluate the teachers and their skill levels, find out what or why the kids are not getting simple concepts?  What if we made the tests pass fail?  Either 75% of your kids pass the standard test with an 80% or higher or you fail to have a job here teaching.
How about we pay teachers 75K a year.  and the average grade the kids get on the test is what percentage we give you of that 75K?  If you fall below a certain percentage say 75% you are let go at the end of the school year.
You are under the false assumption that all students want to learn. I would want to be a teacher is a school where the students value and education. Teachers in a getto school district would be fired in a year according to your plan.
Ok so how do we end the HIP Hop lifestyle and end the Liberal cycle of ending the family and the values.
And if the kids don't want to learn then what do we do fine the parents?  It was an idea I heard batted around that if the kids get C+ or better grades there is no charge for school.  C to C- and the parents are charged $1,000  D's and the Parnets are charged $2,000 and failing grades and the parents are charged $3,000.  Good incentive for the parents to get involved and make sure the kids get better grades.  Inner city kids that get B+ and better give then $1,000 in a savings bond to be used for education  A kid that gets B+ all the way through grade and High school would have 13,000 to use for college, trade, or culinary school. May put a little pressure on the parents to do something. To help thier kids.  Of course since we have the liberal cycle of dependance and the new Government plantation, of drug use and unemployment I cna see why the kids do not see a value to the education.  The System is geared to keeping them in the ghetto and dependant on tax dollars.  I don't think I would want to know all about the world.  Easier to hate the MAN and blame others for having nothing.
 

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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2011, 10:53:54 AM »
Yep, get rid of all standardized testing and all rote teaching.  Students don't need to know how to read, spell, or add and subtract.  All they need is the ability to learn their own way.   ::)

Thats right. Students really only need to learn the basics-gay/lesbian issues and understanding islam. All of that other crap is really a waste of time. Throw the three r's out the window.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2011, 12:37:59 PM »
I have a solution that should make everyone happy.
1) we tax hollywood 75% of all pay/ income over 1 Million ( liberals say we are not paying enough in taxes)  Heck make it retro active for two years.
2) we eliminate all national testing, the NEA and Department of education.
3) we take the tax monies from the 75% tax and divide it up evenly between all the school boards and allow the local school boards to set criteria as to what is taught and the standards.
4) we take the education budgets and cut 1/2 of the middle managment jobs and raise the teachers salary.  Not sure what this will do.  But it sounds good.  If we paid the teachers an extra 10K a year would they be better teachers or just making more?  I mean really do we have little jimmy in science class that asks a question and the teacher says "if I mande more i would be able to answer you.
Of course this moron will say these things.  He has to be seen as a huge lefty so he can sell his screen plays and get jobs that pay Millions to tell us we do not pay enough in taxes.

Great ideas MC. Although just the mention of eliminating the NEA and Dept. of Education sends the liberals and teachers into a hissy fit. 

Matt Damon, a liberal actor who campaigned for Obama and was a vocal supporter for him. Really, lets be serious. How intelligent could he be. I believe he also supported the campaign to recall Scott Walker. Is it any wonder liberal, elitist, Hollywood actor Matt Damon is in support of what is called education today. His views fit right in with the liberal crowd's attempt of destroying America.       

Gee, I thought testing measured your knowledge of a subject that was taught. Filling in the right bubble on a test is not some test taking chemistry. Its about identifying the correct answer when asked a question about a subject you studied. Why would we ever want standardized testing? It might indicate what a student has learned, or indicate how well a teacher taught the subject, and we certainly can't have that. It could injure self esteem.   
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2011, 02:07:14 PM »
The problem with standardized testing is the rewards that go with it.
You have teachers pressured to attain passing scores on the test, not teach skills that will stick.
We are producing generations of test takers.
They learn the information long enough to pass a test, then forget it.
On top of that you have the monkeys running the zoo in lots of districts.
I don't teach in common education, but I see what's being produced there.
I'm not sure it can be fixed anymore.
Weak school boards or weak administration aren't helping.
But I still think local control is the way to go.
Unfortunately it would take several years of a strong support to just turn it around.
Don't think the support would last that long.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2011, 03:17:48 PM »
"I had incredible teachers. As I look at my life today, the things I value most about myself — my imagination, my love of acting, my passion for writing, my love of learning, my curiosity — all come from how I was parented and taught."
Doesn't matter what he does for a living or who he campaignd for.Some of you are forgetting the most important parts. " my imagination, love of acting, passion for writing, MY LOVE OF LEARNING, my curiosity --these are tremendous traits. Doesn't matter is he is a liberal, conservative, who he voted for, etc.  If you don't get that , I feel sorry for you. AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL- ALL CAME FROM HOW I WAS PARENTED AND TAUGHT."

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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2011, 05:31:43 PM »
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ALL CAME FROM HOW I WAS PARENTED AND TAUGHT."

 
 
Sorry I just don't buy it, not for a second.  Some people are born with different talents, interests, etc.  Otherwise, all siblings who had the same teachers would turn out the same (btw, they usually don't).  Anybody can say anything when pushing an agenda.   ::)
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2011, 05:39:47 PM »
I be has played all kinds of geniuses in movies, wow that is credentials for sure.  ::) ::) ::) I guess unlike liberals I am not impressed because someone is famous.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2011, 10:25:30 PM »
I'm amused by how many of you are "Pro" big-government involvement all of a sudden because a "liberal" spoke out against standardized testing.  I think he had a lot of good points.  Personally, I don't think that an institution that pays $900.00 for a toilet seat; needs to use acronyms for anything with  more than two words; and writes entire foreign and domestic policies based on the findings of Al Gore has any business deciding what a standard minimum level of education is.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2011, 12:37:26 AM »
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ALL CAME FROM HOW I WAS PARENTED AND TAUGHT."

 
Sorry I just don't buy it, not for a second.  Some people are born with different talents, interests, etc.  Otherwise, all siblings who had the same teachers would turn out the same (btw, they usually don't).  Anybody can say anything when pushing an agenda.   ::)
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2011, 12:57:33 AM »
Doesn't matter is he is a liberal, conservative, who he voted for, etc.  If you don't get that , I feel sorry for you.

Well I do believe it matters, and matters a lot. This country is falling into a hell hole because to many people have been taught it doesn't matter. There are rights and wrongs, and no XD I don't get philosophy that "it don't matter" I guess I never had enough indoctrination into the liberal world view to believe that.   

Where has anyone indicated they are pro big government? Everyone that has posted opposite comments to your beliefs is against government intervention in education. Lets rid our childrens education of the unions, and government completely. I'm 100% for it.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2011, 02:01:10 AM »
my education was like sourdoughs.  we'd study 2 or 3 chapters of something and BANG we'd have a test thrown at us.  we didn't study for tests, we tested on things we'd studied. math was pretty much a test every day.
at the end of the year our grades were tallied from all those tests.
the dept of education is a waste of money and the no-child-left-behind is the stupidest thing GWB did.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2011, 03:10:50 AM »
When the teachers pass students, just to get them out of the grade their in, I guess in some schools, standardizing tests is a waste of time. Unfortunately, no testing in the world is going to help some people. I'd love to take 50 NBA or NFL stars, which supposedly were picked from college's after graduation, and give them a 10th grade standardized test. 'Course, when all you have to do is hold up one finger and say,''We're number 1'', ya really don't need to know the 3 R's.  gypsyman
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2011, 04:44:30 AM »
There's one test that all voters should have to take and that is only a one question test: Is the federal department of education worth the money that it costs? 
My answer is an unequivocal NO.  The federal government has plenty to do without butting  into matters that are really the business of localities.  I'm not even sure that states should be involved.  Cities and towns somehow are able to manage all sorts of departments without state, county, or federal guidelines, or departments to supervise their operations.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2011, 05:50:48 AM »
Standardized testing is not exactly new with the Obama admin is it? All of your doctors and lawyers did very well on their standardized tests.