The anti-American tea party

[Pat/Rick]

Upholding Constitutional ideas is anti-American? Interesting concept. This ideology is what must have led the dept of homeland security to include veterans on the terrorist watchlist. people who have sworn to defend the Constitution against all aggressors........... Oh, maybe thats the phrase they didn't like...................... A shame that other people view our Constitution as 'valuable'.    What shall WA state do with their State Constitution? The part in the preamble that says "The Constitution of the USA is the supreme law of the land" (paraphrased, but easily looked up).   Maybe we should just keep those values that 'certain' people, like and chuck the rest.

[jimster]

LOL....once again...the TEA PARTY...is this...
 
"The fact that we're here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means 'The buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit."
Obama....2006....
 
Obama was saying EXACTLY what the TEA PARTY is saying now...go figure.
 
Liberals/socialists/progressives are all liars....they act like Tea Party people to get elected...next thing you know they are the opposite...and people like Junior just goes along with the change.  How Junior could have any problem with the Tea Party is beyond me...and probably if he thought about it...beyond him as well.  He voted Tea Party...and now has a problem with it. 
 
Far as TM goes...I don't buy one word of that long drug out post.  I support the Tea Party people, and also support what Obama said in 2006 as well...except I knew he was lying through his teeth....and now you do too. 
 
The Tea Party is not a conspiracy there TM...it's just a bunch of people, X Dem's, X reps, independents, and me, and people like me...saying we can't spend more than we have.  I see no reason to turn that into a three page conspiracy unless you have a real good imagination and too much time on your hands.
 
Both Junior and TM agree with the Tea Party message...they just can't say it...but if they own property and have a budget...they agree totally.  Most people in America are conservaitves and live that way.  That is a fact...because if they don't, they lose their stuff.
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 


 

[Lost Farmboy]

  It's the debt destroying Americas full faith and credit, not the tea party.


Most Americans are most concerned about the massive debt.


They (the politicians) always threaten SS, Medicare and Pubic safety and never touch the pork.


Revenue enhancements (what a joke) are tax hikes. Taxes should never be raised until all pork is eliminate. Period. But, they never touch the pork.

[guzzijohn]

My take on the Tea Party is not that I disagree with most of the agenda but how they are going about it. The tea party wants it all and wants it now. IMHO if everything was enacted as quickly as they want it would lead to financial ruins for us. Instead take the gist of the Tea Party and enact it over a period of years so that it is not a complete shock to the system. The other thing that would help is if most tea party members would display less of an attitude of "you do all our way or you are not an American and cannot love your country" That attitude really turns me off toward the party. Not all of us have the exact same vision of what the USA should be.
GuzziJohn

[jimster]

The tea party wants it all and wants it now. IMHO if everything was enacted as
quickly as they want it would lead to financial ruins for us.

Nothing wrong with wanting to reverse it all...and now.  The left wing did their thing all at once and right way...did they not? (yes they did) Far as financial ruin...you have that right now already from things we passed ALL AT ONCE.  Just got the news...340 major metropolitan cities...unemployment just went up again.  Where is Junior on this?  Where is his old posts on the economy being better?
So what would you like to do?  Another big stimpac for the unions so private sector can shrink some more while government grows some more? 
How about we reverse things...all at once...we got this way doing exactly what they wanted to do, they passed everything they wanted, all at once.  That was "unbalanced"...so let's be "unbalanced" the other way to get out of it.  A "balanced" approach (Obama's words) is not going to work at all...as you can see.  They did not cut ANY spending in congress...which is what you have to do. Obama won't do it, the Dem's won't do it...those few Tea Party people that are freaking you out...they would do it if there was enough of them.
Everything the conservatives were telling you has been right, and everything we are being told by the socialists have been wrong...proof is in the pudding.  After all that spending legislation "all at once"...you not only got nothing, you got worse.  At what point do they admit they are wrong?  And why oh why do YOU get to do everything ALL AT ONCE...but nobody else can?  That is a major moral flaw there isn't it?

 

[powderman]

Instead take the gist of the Tea Party and enact it over a period of years so that it is not a complete shock to the system.
 
 
guzzi. The system NEEDS a shock, a big one. Pork projects need shut down and other govt waste stopped in it's tracks. 
tm. I said MY country cause I don't know where you live or what you are but judging from most all of your posts I'd never guessed The United States of America since I've never heard you say anything good about it. POWDERMAN. 

[Casull]

tm. I said MY country cause I don't know where you live or what you are but judging from most all of your posts I'd never guessed The United States of America since I've never heard you say anything good about it. POWDERMAN. 

 
Can't say as I recall ever hearing him/her say anything good about My country either.

[DDZ]

Not all of us have the exact same vision of what the USA should be.
GuzziJohn

Apparently not, since the socialists have turned the USA into what they think it should be.

[DDZ]

Tea Party backed Marco Rubio says it well.

http://blog.chron.com/texassparkle/2011/07/sen-marco-rubio-nails-it/

[guzzijohn]

Quote from PW:
 I said MY country cause I don't know where you live or what you are but judging from most all of your posts I'd never guessed The United States of America since I've never heard you say anything good about it. POWDERMAN.

More reading comprehension problems I see. A number of my posts have referred to the general area I live, what I do and whom I am. Of course we still live in the greatest country there is and I have never bashed the USA or it's constitution, just some far right wingers  . Especially financially I live my life more as a conservative than probably 90% here on the board. I do not owe anyone anything, my house, vehicles, guns, 560 acres of farmland, everything is 100% paid for. I have had land and house loans in the past but never a vehicle loan or school loan and I have a masters degree. When I was younger my wife and I droves vehicles for a number of years that were worth less than a $1,000 because that is all we could pay cash for. Because of that I was able to buy a new 16K motorcycle this summer with cash and not even having to blink when I wrote the check
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[jimster]

Guzzi...
 
I am in the same position you are, I have worked hard to pay for everything, I owe nothing, and do not have a credit card, we make payments on nothing, we scrimp and save and every penny means something.  You and I got this way from doing the exact opposite of what those fools just got done doing on Washington...you know I'm right.  I am not wealthy...I just force myself to live so it's possible to save, and that can't happen spending one Penney more than I bring in.  If people think we need to pay more taxes, they can write a check to the federal reserve, but I doubt they will,  if they think the poor need more stuff, they can get off their butts and giver them more stuff.  I never in my life saw a socialist put their own money where their mouth is, always someone elses money.  All politics aside, that ain't right, it's a flaw in their character.
 
We should join up and kick those people's butts that have been in charge of our country, no matter what party they are from.

[billy_56081]

Jr, just look at the DOW today to see what your steal and spend parasites in DC have done to this country. The great depression is very near, and the weak who beg off of government to steal from others will be the first to starve.

[Junior1942]

Jr, just look at the DOW today to see what your steal and spend parasites in DC have done to this country. The great depression is very near, and the weak who beg off of government to steal from others will be the first to starve.

Ok, let's look at the DJIA.  Today's close = 11,383.68.  Close when Bush let office = ~8200. 

[DDZ]

Why is Bush always bought into the discussion? Like he was a fiscal conservative or something. I really haven't seen one person here support Bush's spending, but liberals love to bring up what he did. I guess it makes them feel their hope and change savior ain't so bad.   

[Lost Farmboy]

  Not mush difference between Bush and Obama. Both bankrupted the country. But one was born in America.

[mcwoodduck]

Jr, just look at the DOW today to see what your steal and spend parasites in DC have done to this country. The great depression is very near, and the weak who beg off of government to steal from others will be the first to starve.

Ok, let's look at the DJIA.  Today's close = 11,383.68.  Close when Bush let office = ~8200.

Wasn't it due to two things?  One the 9/11 attacks that caused a huge ression and as the Dow was increasing Obama was ellected and Nose dived.  As the tax code changed and everyone took profits and payed out dividends last year it artifically raised prices.  Stock price is based on what the company is worth and the precieved dividend it will pay (future growth and profitability)

[powderman]

guzzi. You are the one with reading comprehension problems. The quote you made from me was directed at TM, not you. Guilty conscience?? POWDERMAN. 

[guzzijohn]

Powderman,


Ok, you are right, guess I missed it with the small caps. 


GuzziJohn

[billy_56081]

Monday, October 1, 2007 Dow Jones record high close, 14,087.55, Jr who was president then? I would Imagine stocks were plumeting when the polls were saying the parasite messiah was predicted to win. The depression is allready here, BO is the depression. The poor little parasites will be the first to starve when the govermant fails. I will not share my food with the parasite class.

[ironglow]

AQfter the long, contorted diatribe by TM..here's the truth about the Tea Party.
  The Tea Party has some major identifying demands;
  1) Lower taxes...corpo exemptions, taxes regressively flatten=tax shift to middle class
  2) Less stupid spending..cut safety net program to finance endless wars for state securitate and occult escatology
  3) Smaller government..=governmnet of elitist professionals=corporatocracy=fascism
  4) Less economy crippling government  regulations..create a wasteland of excesses, abuse, and non-responsibility
  5) Politicians should heed the U S Constitution...yes, they should
 
     Junior..show us where that is un-American ! 
   I sure would like to hear what your description of being all-American would be..   Since you back everything the loser-in-chief does; I suppose your idea of all-American may include the following;
   1) Tax those who work, nearly out if existence..which your concept does in fact
   2) Give that tax money to those who won't work..everyman for himself; I got mine jack school of thought..eltist tenant#1
  3) Pad government payrolls with useless parasites...nobody has a prob with ending corruption, waste
  4) Add useless regulations atop the people and their businesses..create a fair playing field not a crime syndicate
  5) Claim the U S Constitution is a "living/breathing document..so you can cut, abridge, ignore and change it whenever your whim or desires call for it..make Supreme ct impeachable then...
 
Junior, IG blowing smoke and tilting mirrors again......TM7

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  Yes Junior..just keep in mind ..the red letters are TM's hyperactive imagination..not my statements..  Sometimes he tries to pass hjimself off as conservative..denies liberal roots...but since you and he are in such close agreement, you already know what that proves.  You just openly admit your liberalism.....

[Mohawk]

How is that Hope and Change thing working out? Even China took away the US credit rating today. We are no longer A+. And where are these jobs that the stimulus money was supposed to bring? GM is reporting exceptional earnings and we are getting taxed more, and more, and more, and more. Personally, I am getting tired of financing lazy, criminal, and false disabled folks, who think they are "entitled" to what they think they are "entitiled" to. Sorry, my soon to be infant daughter needs my support more than the drunk next door with multiple felony convictions, or the lazy folks that choke the system. What happened to Welfare Reform? And is it being enforced?

[jimster]

Why is Bush always bought into the discussion? Like he was a fiscal conservative or something.

Because they run out of things to say mostly.  Bush signed everything that the democrats laid on his desk...instead of being happy with Bush they are mad. It's a Dem vs rep thing.  Mostly used by people who don't know who writes legislation, or who passes it, or even who is in power at any given time.  They also don't know what's in the legislation.  Lot's of people like that today who vote.  Just Dem vs. rep...no brains needed. They also freak out easily...one fact or one Tea Party person can turn their world upside down...   If you tell them the Dem's wrote everything Bush signed..they start to twitch....brains go into overload...they usually start muttering things incoherently and they usually come up with an answer like..."Bush made the Dem's write it".   

There is no cure for the Dem vs. Rep syndrome
 

[ironglow]

  They always bring Bush up..the DJIA is larger now etc, etc..blah, blah..
 
        One question remains...  Is the United States and we the people..better off now than we were just 2.7 years ago ?
  Lets phrase it another way..
   Are we better off now than we were 4 .7 years ago..when the Dems took over congress ?
 
    Let's look at an interesting chart..anybody with a bit of political experience knows that each administration over the last several decades have left the next administration with a recession..particularly if the incoming was of the opposite party...Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama have ALL been left with a recession to cope with.
   This chart shows how each handled what they were given.  Previously to the reign of the "community organizer" there was almost no whining about what they 'inherited'. 
  Note how each administration had sense enough to react in the proper way, and not spend us DEEPER in debt with stupid 'stimulus plans' or an unwise takeover of the medical infrastructure... let risky corps fail..and pulled us out of the hole. All but this most recent batch of pinheads, that is !
   Compare Obama's RED line (2007) to Bush's GREEN line (2001)..

[Lost Farmboy]

  I have to say this thread absolutely blows my mind. To me the tea party is one of the most patriotic groups in America. I mean the people not the politicians that are trying to hijack it.


This article calling the tea party terrorist is the most absurd article I have ever seen.


To see an American buying this BS is so hard to believe. To see the buyer believe that 95% of Americans think it's true is even harder to believe.


Sorry but I have been awake for more than 24 hours. I just came home from work. I am tired and I have to go to sleep now and escape from this nightmare.

[nw_hunter]

This is how most Americans see the tea party. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/opinion/the-tea-partys-war-on-america.html?emc=eta1

Truth be known.......Most Americans don't even know what or who the Tea party is or what it stands for.
The Tea party is just a movement. Started by A (minority) of Americans, sick and tired of politics as usual from the Big Serpent . The one with two heads! People talk about it like it's a National party. It's a grass roots movement with no central leadership. Although the Neoconservative's have tried to hijack it from it's beginning.The Tea Party believes in the Original interpretation of the Constitution. An idea we seem to have strayed from."JMHO"

Why do some of you have such a hard time sticking to the subject?Most of the responses to this thread have been to ridicule the messenger.What is so hard about just giving an opinion and letting it go at that without starting the same old name calling BS?

[powderman]

LOST. Good post Sir, get some rest. POWDERMAN. 

[Val]

What most people don't realize is that the debt ceiling agreement did nothing to decrease our debt. All it did is slightly reduce the increase in debt growth. It's incredible that the lunatic liberals do not grasp the seriousness of continued out of control deficit increases. A balanced budget amendment is our only hope. We are absolutely heading down the same road as Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain. Our grandkids will have to pay higher taxes just to pay the interest on the ever increasing debt.

[magooch]

Oh, I think they (the liberals) get it; they just don't give a crap.  Their priority is not the preservation of our economy, or our country as it was in the past.

[ironglow]

What most people don't realize is that the debt ceiling agreement did nothing to decrease our debt. All it did is slightly reduce the increase in debt growth. It's incredible that the lunatic liberals do not grasp the seriousness of continued out of control deficit increases. A balanced budget amendment is our only hope. We are absolutely heading down the same road as Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain. Our grandkids will have to pay higher taxes just to pay the interest on the ever increasing debt.

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  Who says this is not EXACTLY what they want..them and George Soros..

[DDZ]

What most people don't realize is that the debt ceiling agreement did nothing to decrease our debt. All it did is slightly reduce the increase in debt growth. It's incredible that the lunatic liberals do not grasp the seriousness of continued out of control deficit increases. A balanced budget amendment is our only hope. We are absolutely heading down the same road as Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain. Our grandkids will have to pay higher taxes just to pay the interest on the ever increasing debt.

Yes, you have it right. The lunatic Liberals don't grasp the seriousness of our run away debt. Of coarse I don't think they are capable of grasping anything, except maybe someones else's money. 
I remember not all that long ago the lunatic liberals answer to debt problems was to raise taxes on Yacht owners. So the wealthy quit buying yachts, and about 100,000 middle class people lost their jobs that built yachts and serviced them. Now their answer is to raise taxes on owners of jets. Gee, I wonder how many will lose their jobs over this brilliant idea. While we are at it lets raise taxes on the oil companies. The liberals love to harp about all the money they have. Why not all the rich guys, they have lots of money right? There has to be a never ending pile of it. Right???
One thing you will never hear a liberal say is "we have to cut back on spending". Their answer to every debt problem is to remove money from the pockets of who they deem to be rich guys. Not knowing the people's pockets they are picking is the middle class.