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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2011, 10:46:22 AM »
TM7, read my post again and this time try real hard to comprehend what I said.
if you still don't understand, that certainly explains why you fall for liberalism and islam.
or, if I had that paint program on my netbook, I could draw you a picture.
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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2011, 11:09:17 AM »
good grief, you must have a lawyer sitting at your elbow.   THE JUDGE DID INDEED SET A PRECEDENT BY USING SHARIA LAW TO SETTLE A DISPUTE.   so now if some innocent muslim girl gets raped she could be sentenced to death according to sharia law if she doesn't have enough male kinfolks watching.  and ANY other incedent involving muslims could revert to sharia law.
BECAUSE, precedent HAS been set.    let me give you a good example, you had Matt throw me out of the conspiracy forum, so the precedent has been set and having Matt throw me out of this forum too, will be even easier.  that's how things work. ;D


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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2011, 11:38:37 AM »
good grief, you must have a lawyer sitting at your elbow.   THE JUDGE DID INDEED SET A PRECEDENT BY USING SHARIA LAW TO SETTLE A DISPUTE.   so now if some innocent muslim girl gets raped she could be sentenced to death according to sharia law if she doesn't have enough male kinfolks watching.  and ANY other incedent involving muslims could revert to sharia law.
BECAUSE, precedent HAS been set.    let me give you a good example, you had Matt throw me out of the conspiracy forum, so the precedent has been set and having Matt throw me out of this forum too, will be even easier.  that's how things work. ;D
What Powderman said was that in Florida a judge had ruled a man to not be guilty of rape and battery because of Sharia law.  I do not believe this has ever happened.  I do not believe this is legally possible.  I asked for any type of, you know, factual basis for his claim.  A few of the charter members of the echo chamber here love to celebrate each other's brilliance when they use, "facts" to dispute liberal dogma, (which, to be fair, is easy to dispute).  I'm only asking for it once again, and then the celebrating can commence once more.  I can quote my own post if you need to see the specific question I asked for factual proof of...

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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2011, 11:52:43 AM »
I didn't start the rape thing.  I stuck my nose in and provided a link so anyone could go look and make up their own mind.  I provided no commentary.
after TM7 got his panties in a wad I then provided commentary about the setting of precedents.
some kind of mosque dispute WAS settled by sharia law which is the wrong thing to do.
I can't think of any situation that couldn't be covered by the law of this land.
and, some people here would get the cold shoulder at the coffee shop if they demanded documentation for everything that people heard or thought they heard.  it would kill conversation.
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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2011, 11:59:49 AM »
some people here would get the cold shoulder at the coffee shop if they demanded documentation for everything that people heard or thought they heard.  it would kill conversation.
Call me crazy, but it seems to me if you're going to make bombastic claims that seem false you should have some evidence to support your claim.  You, Powderman, and others have correctly demanded such support from others in the past when those of the liberal tendency have made seemingly incorrect claims.  I read what he wrote, it seems wrong, I'm only asking...  If he can't provide an answer I'll understand why. 
 
I don't spend too much time in coffee shops...
 

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« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2011, 01:26:21 PM »
Duk,  you can search my posts and I don't think you'll find a single instance of me ever asking for a link unless someone was talking about something interesting and I wanted to read about it.
I think I may have provided 2 or 3 links in the years I've been here.
I've read some of tm7s links but it didn't take long to realize that they were mostly liberal, islamic or just disgusting in nature.  so I don't read them anymore.
mostly when someone opens a thread I give my opinion and nothing more.







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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2011, 01:30:04 PM »
Bug...first of all TM7 did not get 'his panties in a wad' as you freely phrase. What TM7 said was:
 
Post the links for these cases....TM7
 
Methinks claimant of 'panties in wad' charge is actual owner of said claim, and habitual violator of forum rules.
 
What I said is about as far as getting 'panties in a wad' as one can get actually,,,as neutral as can be...still no links for judge/sharia charge; yet you still are under erroneous belief that somehow a judge made a ruling based on sharia law in support of a rape. This is indeed not the case at all in reality...just your et al thinking and belief system.
 
You need to re-read my post # 37 for one thing.
 
Then you need to heed Mr Dukkilr's kind and gentle advice...and amend your position to one more truthful of actual events, and in the future, too.. You need to understand that there is enough to blame on a few moslem renegades than to pin stories and untruths on them without sound basis. It makes one wonder who the true radicals and renegades really are...
 
..TM7
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I never said a judge used sharia law to decide a rape case. comprehension?  I said he set a precedent for future muslim squabbles.  you like links so much, look it up.
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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2011, 02:27:57 PM »
I dont see where  a ruling was made in the Tampa case.
Dukkiler, from a lawyer stand point what did the judge say?

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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2011, 02:39:09 PM »
Briarpatch, I don't know what Duk will say, but the thing I read was that muslims were suing muslims, something about the mosque, he should have either applied american law or threw the case out,  but he said the koran and sharia law should decide their case.  to me that sets a precedent and could come back to bite us in the future.  we all know they thumb their noses at our laws and morality.
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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2011, 02:52:19 PM »
duk. I know what I read, believe it, or not believe it, I could care less. I'm not good at searching these things. I have no reason to lie, which I don't do anyway. Believe what ya want. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2011, 03:04:30 PM »
duk. I know what I read, believe it, or not believe it, I could care less. I'm not good at searching these things. I have no reason to lie, which I don't do anyway. Believe what ya want. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Well lets make this an open challenge.  There are several members around here who I suspect are more computer savy.  Can anyone provide any type of, shall we say, uh... facts?
 
If we are to simply believe the ridiculous stuff someone around here claims based on their statement that, "They read it" we're going to have to start swallowing a whole lot of fairly crazy sounding tinfoil hat stuff...  You are right to ask for evidence in those cases, and I am right on this.

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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2011, 03:10:18 PM »
Powderman, I'm sure it's out there or at least HAS been.  what people don't realize is that all this wiki stuff can be here today and gone tomorrow.  there's some cyber office somewhere where people sit and enter information which can, and does, change by the minute.  I believe that you did read what you say.  it could have been true but some wiki dweeb changed it if he didn't like it.  or it could have been false, put in by someone like tm7 to stir people up.
most of the stuff on the web is put there by someone with an agenda.  a perfect example is chuck baldwin (I think that's the name) that nw_hunter put on about Rick Perry and it turned out to be less about Perry and more about hatred for Christians.
don't worry about peoples opinions.  I think you do good.
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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2011, 04:00:23 PM »
BUGEYE. Thanks. I've found that when duk and hunter come to the liberals rescue the best thing for me to do is stay off the thread, and thats what I'm gonna do. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2011, 07:54:00 PM »
I could not find a ruling in the case you refer to powderman, however there have been some hairbrained judges that have tried to implement the law in American courts. So far it seems better judgement has prevailed.
They will not give up. shiria law has been implemented in Europe and it will be here. Anything you see happing you don't like, get used to it because you will have to live with it.
I found this case.




The Real Impact of Sharia Law in America

Cully Stimson

September 2, 2010 at 11:00 am

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Does Sharia law allow a husband to rape his wife, even in America? A New Jersey trial judge thought so. In a recently overturned case, a trial judge found as a fact that defendant committed conduct that constituted a sexual assault” but did not hold the defendant liable because the defendant believed he was exercising his rights over the victim. Fortunately, a New Jersey appellate court reversed the trial judge. But make no mistake about it: this is no isolated incident. We will see more cases here in the United States where others attempt to impose Sharia law, under the guise of First Amendment protections, as a defense against crimes and other civil violations.

In S.D. v. M.J.R., the plaintiff, a Moroccan Muslim woman, lived with her Moroccan Muslim husband in New Jersey. She was repeatedly beaten and raped by her husband over the course of several weeks. While the plaintiff was being treated for her injuries at a hospital, a police detective interviewed her and took photographs of her injuries. Those photographs depicted injuries to plaintiff’s breasts, thighs and arm, bruised lips, eyes and right check. Further investigation established there were blood stains on the pillow and sheets of plaintiff’s bed.

The wife sought a permanent restraining order, and a New Jersey trial judge held a hearing in order to decide whether to issue the order. Evidence at trial established, among other things, that the husband told his wife, “You must do whatever I tell you to do. I want to hurt your flesh” and “this is according to our religion. You are my wife, I c[an] do anything to you.” The police detective testified about her findings, and some of the photographs were entered into evidence.

The defendant’s Imam testified that a wife must comply with her husband’s sexual demands and he refused to answer whether, under Islamic law, a husband must stop his sexual advances on his wife if she says “no.”

The trial judge found that most of the criminal acts were indeed proved, but nonetheless denied the permanent retraining order. This judge held that the defendant could not be held responsible for the violent sexual assaults of his wife because he did not have the specific intent to sexually assault his wife, and because his actions were “consistent with his [religious] practices.” In other words, the judge refused to issue the permanent restraining order because under Sharia law, this Muslim husband had a “right” to rape his wife.

Besides the fact that the ruling is wrong as a legal matter, and offensive beyond words, it goes to the heart of the controversy about the insidious spread of Sharia law—the goal of radical Islamic extremists. Fortunately, the New Jersey appellate court refused to tolerate the trial judge’s “mistaken” and unsustainable decision. The appellate court chastised the trial judge’s ruling, holding among other things that he held an “unnecessarily dismissive view of defendant’s acts of domestic violence,” and that his views of the facts in the case “may have been colored by his perception that…they were culturally acceptable and thus not actionable – -a view we soundly reject.” Although appellate courts typically defer to findings of fact by trial judges, under the circumstances, this appellate court correctly refused to do so, and reversed the trial court and ordered the permanent restraining order to issue.

The truth is that imposition of Sharia law in the United States, especially when mixed with a perverted sense of political correctness, poses a danger to civil society. Just last year, a Muslim man in Buffalo, New York beheaded his wife in what appeared to be an honor killing, again using his faith to justify his actions. It is doubtful that the domestic violence and rape in this recently overturned case will be the last Americans see of Sharia being impermissibly used to justify brutal acts on our soil. As former Assistant Secretary of Defense Frank Gaffney wrote recently:

Sharia is no less toxic when it comes to the sorts of democratic government and civil liberties guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. According to this legal code of Saudi Arabia and Iran, only Allah can make laws, and only a theocrat can properly administer them, ultimately on a global basis.

The trial opinion in this case shows that, indeed, the global reach of Sharia law is expanding. The trial court allowed the testimony of an Imam to be entered so that his account of Sharia’s standards could supercede the standards set by the New Jersey legislature. This is not just about cultural defenses, which by themselves are not proper under United States law, but about giving up control of the law to a religious code citizens of this country have no control over, a theocratic code world famous for its antidemocratic, sexist nature and its human rights abuses.

So-called “cultural defenses” have existed in other contexts for a long while and, for the most part, such defenses have been rejected. As a domestic violence prosecutor in San Diego, I ran across a case where the accused was charged with assault for punching his girlfriend, and the defense wanted to introduce an expert in Latin cultures. The expert was to testify that in Latin culture, it is acceptable for a man to strike “his woman” as punishment as long as it doesn’t cause serious lasting injury. This was rejected outright by the court, as it should have been. These attempts are not uncommon, but the cultural relativism they espouse is different than the more dangerous trend here.

In S.D. v. M.J.R., the husband’s defense for sexually assaulting his wife was not just another attempt to erode the protection of our own social mores. The specific threat that comes from attempting to establish Sharia law in the United States is that justification for doing so has been couched in the protections of the First Amendment. As noted by the appeals court in its decision overturning what amounted to the replacement of New Jersey’s rape law with Sharia, “the judge determined to except [the] defendant from the operation of the State’s statutes as the result of his religious beliefs.” Doing so was contrary to several Supreme Court decisions, which hold that an individual’s responsibility to obey generally applicable law—particularly those that regulate socially harmful conduct—cannot be made contingent up on his or her religious beliefs.

The U.S. Constitution cannot and should not be used to subvert legislatures and allow brutes such as the husband in this case to harm others simply because their actions are legal under Sharia law. It was impermissible for the trial court to act as it did in this case, and the appellate judges very correctly overturned the ruling below. This is not the last we will hear of such attempts, however, as Sharia-loving extremists are determined to establish an Islamic Caliphate around the world, especially in America. As Andy McCarthy has written, “Our enemies are those who want Sharia to supplant American law and Western culture.” We cannot allow that to happen.
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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2011, 08:45:05 PM »
I believe the title of this thread is incorrect, as pertaining to the topic, as the entire camel has been in the tent for some time. It's just that no one was paying attention, until lately.
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« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2011, 02:10:40 AM »

I believe the title of this thread is incorrect, as pertaining to the topic, as the entire camel has been in the tent for some time. It's just that no one was paying attention, until lately.
absolutely!!!

Briarpatch, thanks for posting that.
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« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2011, 05:14:56 AM »
Let us see what this judge does in the future , 'til then I reserve my own judgement. ;D ;D
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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2011, 05:31:03 AM »
maybe we should descend on Kentucky and shoot Powderman because he made a mistake and said FLA instead of new jersey.
gimme a break.
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« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2011, 05:33:43 AM »
Shooting no, a day or so in the stocks might be appropriate. ;D
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« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2011, 06:02:19 AM »
Shooting no, a day or so in the stocks might be appropriate. ;D
some here are trying to put him in stocks.
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« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2011, 06:18:50 AM »
Would that be walnut stocks, or synthetic stocks? And what type of action could stocks shaped like powderman possibly fit? :-\ ;D
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« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2011, 06:42:53 AM »
Would that be walnut stocks, or synthetic stocks? And what type of action could stocks shaped like powderman possibly fit? :-\ ;D
good question, I don't know if he's fat or scrawney.  if he's scrawney like me, it could be the grips on a J-frame.  if fat, maybe the stock on a nef 10ga.
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Sharia says no rape in marriage....HOGwash!
« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2011, 07:08:41 PM »
Some Muslim Cleric says the following:

A senior Muslim cleric who runs the country’s largest network of sharia courts has sparked controversy by claiming that there is no such thing as rape within marriage.
Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain, said that men who rape their wives should not be prosecuted because ‘sex is part of marriage’. And he claimed that many married women who alleged rape were lying.
His comments have angered senior police officers, who say that such statements undermine the work they do to encourage women to report rape, a notoriously under-reported crime.
Sheikh Sayeed made the comments in an interview with the blog The Samosa, before reiterating them later when contacted by
The Independent.
He told the website: ‘Clearly there cannot be any rape within the marriage. Maybe aggression, maybe indecent activity… Because when they got married, the understanding was that sexual intercourse was part of the marriage, so there cannot be anything against sex in marriage. Of course, if it happened without her desire, that is no good, that is not desirable.’
Later he told this newspaper: ‘In Islamic sharia, rape is adultery by force. So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape. It is reprehensible, but we do not call it rape.’


This is but a preview of what they want here.

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Something else I found
« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2011, 07:10:36 PM »
One thing that is troubling about ‘Sharia Courts’ is that there is no formal differentiation between these various legal interpretations of the Islamic laws:  rather, it is the leadership of the local Mosque which determines what ‘school’ of Sharia applies to the congregation.  If a change occurs in the leadership (or ‘elders’) in the Mosque, the legal standards are automatically changed, without any notice being given to the populace.
It is my conviction that Aisha Ibrahim Dhuhulow was a victim of such a change.  She grew up under the interpretation of Sharia where rapists were caught and punished.  That is why, after this 13-year-old child was raped, she went to her local officials and ‘demanded that justice be done’.  Unbeknown to her, her town Mosque was recently taken over by officials who subscribed to the most extreme form of Sharia, where the rape victim is stoned to death for adultery.  That explains why she kept begging for her life and calling for help, while the officials who sentenced her to death praised her for ‘demanding that justice according to Sharia be done’…

A bit more......

The example of Muhammad, the Prophet:
 
  • Muslims emulate the behaviour of Prophet Muhammad, because Islam teaches that they are supposed to do that in order to lead good and pious lives.
  • Muhammad had married his ‘only virgin wife’, Aisha, when she was 6 years old (thought he waited until she was 8 (or 9 – the lunar year calculations are a little different from the solar ones)).  Therefore, that is the example that all Muslims are taught to emulate.
  • Therefore, most countries governed by Sharia allow – nay, encourage – marrying girls of  ‘Aisha’s age’
Religion of love and peace?  HOGwash....
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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2011, 04:17:52 AM »
SWAMPTHING. Good posts. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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Re: The camels nose is under the tent.
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2011, 01:31:02 PM »
Were you aware that there is a group of Central American Indians were the females are fully matured in their very early teens and are routinely married?
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« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2011, 05:38:31 PM »
Is central America anywhere near Kentucky.  ;D

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« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2011, 06:04:46 PM »
Is central America anywhere near Kentucky.  ;D

 
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« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2011, 07:36:43 PM »
I don't know about Kentucky, but I think it must be somewhere near Obamarabia, not to be confused with Kenya.

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« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2011, 09:45:01 AM »
In the early 1800's it was common for girls about 16 to get married, boys about 18 on average.  Life expectancy in 1800 was about 50 in America.  Even as late as 1940, the average education of the American GI was 8th grade.  In 1960 the average age of marriage for girls was 19 and boys about 21.  Now they are putting it off since sex is free.  Maybe we should have 10 years of year round education instead of 12.  Then at least more would be educated, less drop outs.  Graduate at 16, get drivers liscense, the lower the age of work to 16 from 18 for most jobs.