He's proving it himself !

[ironglow]

  B Hussein has been accused of being a Muslim rather than a Christian.  Is it true ?  Guess each must decide for himself..
  He did bow and scrape to the Arab potentates...and he did change Nasa's mission from launching space shuttles..to being a "muslim self-esteem" propaganda arm..
  Then, he did kick the Christian "National Day of Prayer" out of the capitol building... Then he comes up with this:
  http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_PREVIEW?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-08-10-05-12-56
 
  His efforts are paying off:
  http://cnsnews.com/news/article/muslim-americans-give-obama-80-percent-a

[rwng]

I don't understand how there is any question. I've never seen the likes of this man. Constantly saying one thing while doing the other and getting a pass by so many people. The only rebuttle may be that he is only trying to make the muslims feel better about themselves. You know the same way the libs try to make minorities feel better about  themselves. By making white kids and their ancestors out to being the evil scourge of the earth. I can't see how degrading one person, "builds up" another. The obummer may be doing this to the Christians.

[BUGEYE]

when he sits and listens while his preacher prays for God to damn America, he is certainly no Christian.

[ironglow]

Current US payments to isreal citizens amount to $30,000/year/isreali  by US taxpayers while 14 million American are undernourished and our economy is on the edge of tanking...Still we have no cogent HCare system like isrealis do.  So has alleged moslem BHO stop or curtailed $$ and arms shipments to the isrealis...likewise has BHO supported any UN resolutions countering isreali colonialism? Has he fired most of his staff who are neo-libs?.
 
The answer is NO to all questions.....so he must be one of those zionist moslems.... ..
 
..TM7
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  ...And not only that..but the Zio-Martians are having space wars with the Islamo-Venusians..blasting each other with 40,000 volt tasers run on a couple AAA batteries.  Just about the time they start backing down..along come the Britanno-Freemasons..they leave their Bilderberger meetings all psyched up..ready to shed Swedenborgian and Branhamian blood in the cause for the NWO.

[JustaShooter]

Current US payments to isreal citizens amount to $30,000/year/isreali  by US taxpayers

Here you go again, TM, not even close to the truth: 
US aid to Israel is about $3 billion per year, for FY 2012 will be about $3.075 billion.  (http://opencrs.com/document/RL33222/ and others)
Population of Israel is about 7.75 million.  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel and others)

That works out to a bit less than $400 / person.  Looks like you might have been a wee bit off there, TM.

Of course, we could keep the money to help out with our own problems - I mean, who couldn't use another $10 - that's what it works out to per US citizen after all...

Just a Shooter

[ironglow]

  B Hussein speaks at the 'end-of-Ramadan'  feast he organized.  He speaks glowingly of the Muslim "heroes" of 9/11...without so much as a peep about the Muslim terrorists of 9/11.....   Hmmm; seems like a very obvious omission.  He approves of a mosque at ground zero.  Ummm..as most militant Muslims do..
   He claims to be a Christian...but obviously doesn't have a clue as to Christian doctrine: as proven in his speech to the Islamic crowd, where he claimed that "we are all the children of God"....Basically, gross ignorance of Scripture !
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/44/post/congressmen-football-players-at-white-houses-iftar-dinner/2011/08/10/gIQAcZxL7I_blog.html?hpid=z11

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. I couldn't read all of that, too many lies. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

Powderman;
  To put it more concisely, he claims to be a Christian, but  says to Muslims..."we are all God's children"..
  This is a common mistake among those not familiar with Christian doctrine..
  We are all "created" by God, but not his "children", until we are qualified and ask for it.
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English Standard Version
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. (John 1:12)

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. The obamination is a lot of things, Christian aint one of them. POWDERMAN. 

[BUGEYE]

the muslim fast is a real joke, they think it's some kind of deprivation.
I can't count the times I've gotten up and had breakfast before daylight, work all day and come home for supper well after dark.   that doesn't make me a muslim does it?

[ironglow]

 TM says;
  " IG...interesting to note that BHO started jewish recognition week and celebrated with a Seder dinner...I think this conflicted with some Vetran's memorial events which he could not attend...
 
Of course, it was Tom Jefferson who had the first Ramadon dinner at sunset to honor customs of visitng moslem diplomats.
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  Wow TM, you sure keep a close eye on that Islam stuff, don't you !  Don't know as anyone else here is all that concerned with it.
     Of course it was Thos Jefferson who sent the Marines into Tripoli and cleaned out that nest of Muslim pirates.  He was wiser than the world leaders of today, most of whom are afraid they may hurt the pirates.
 
  In your post above you make all kinds of assertions concerning Jews..reneged debts, free hardware, patent infringement etc.
  Accusations are easy..proof of such accusations is a bit more difficult.  I do remember when I was overseas with the Army and utilizing my security clearance..covering vehicle sales to Israel.  That was just shortly before the combined Muslim attack on Israel.  Seeing how that Muslim misadventure turned out...I was both pleased and proud to have had even a very small part in the story.

[JustaShooter]

Current US payments to isreal citizens amount to $30,000/year/isreali  by US taxpayers

Here you go again, TM, not even close to the truth: 
US aid to Israel is about $3 billion per year, for FY 2012 will be about $3.075 billion.  (http://opencrs.com/document/RL33222/ and others)
Population of Israel is about 7.75 million.  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel and others)

That works out to a bit less than $400 / person.  Looks like you might have been a wee bit off there, TM.

Of course, we could keep the money to help out with our own problems - I mean, who couldn't use another $10 - that's what it works out to per US citizen after all...

Just a Shooter

justashooter...OKay,,,I'm glad you brought this up ..lets clarify this for all the zios........

Somehow, I doubt you are "glad" I brough it up - and for the record, I'm not a "zio", whatever that means... 
 

Official USA aid to isreal from 1948 onward is around $115 billion dollars total:
 http://www.wrmea.com/component/content/article/245-2008-november/3845-congress-watch-a-conservative-estimate-of-total-direct-us-aid-to-israel-almost-114-billion.html

With you so far, but not sure where you are going...
 

In addition, there are loans which are usually renegged,,,and military hardware gifts as per DoD transfers based on salvage and other funny transfers that amount to free hardware,,,billions to be exact, possiblely 50% to 100% greater than the official 115 billion number...lets ignore that number for the time being.

Yes lets, since they don't fall under the heading of payments, which is what your were talking about (and since you probably can't substantiate it anyway).

Now we will have to make a logical assumption...and that is the average population of isreal in its 65 year history..lets assume 5 million and since jews are only allowed to be citizens in reality; so at a liberal 75% of citizens being jewish that is an average of 3.75 million isreali citizens for the 65 year lifespan of the country....now GO get your calculator!!

OK, I'll give you that, probably close enough (you did say citizens, where my numbers were based on total population). 

$30,666.6666666666666666666 is the answer, aid per citizen averaged over 65 year history...........

So, to you clarification is to change what you originally said, which was $30,000 per year per Israeli citizen, to something entirely different, which is $30,000 total per citizen over the past 65 years.  Is there any wonder why people doubt most anything you say, TM?

Just Sayin'

Just a Shooter

[powderman]

JUSTASHOOTER. HEH, yer catching on. POWDERMAN. 

[JustaShooter]

Oh I caught on a long time ago PM, just had a bit of time available to me to be able to do a bit of research and got sick and tired of the nonsense he was posting.  Unfortunately, now things will be getting back to normal so I won't have time to refute his lies.

Just a Shooter

[SwampThing762]

As usual, TM is on the wrong side of events and history......twice the USA had Muslim enemies before 1948.  The first is the Barbary pirates, which were attacked and beaten by US Marines in 1804.  OORAH!!

The second instance of a Muslim enemy is the Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The statement that the USA had no Muslim enemies before 1948 is absolutely ridiculous.   There are people here that obviously have neglected their historical studies, or just choose to remember what suits their agenda.

ST762

[OldSchoolRanger]

Current US payments to isreal citizens amount to $30,000/year/isreali  by US taxpayers while 14 million American are undernourished and our economy is on the edge of tanking...Still we have no cogent HCare system like isrealis do.  So has alleged moslem BHO stop or curtailed $$ and arms shipments to the isrealis...likewise has BHO supported any UN resolutions countering isreali colonialism? Has he fired most of his staff who are neo-libs?.
 
The answer is NO to all questions.....so he must be one of those zionist moslems.... ..
 
..TM7
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Hey TM,
Why don't you mention the millions we send to your arab friends.  How about the $770 million that we sent to Cairo, Egypt, alone to restore the mosques.  Why are we even restoring mosques, anyway?  Need proof?  Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akTRIMrNL7o

[OldSchoolRanger]

As usual, TM is on the wrong side of events and history......twice the USA had Muslim enemies before 1948.  The first is the Barbary pirates, which were attacked and beaten by US Marines in 1804.  OORAH!!

The second instance of a Muslim enemy is the Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The statement that the USA had no Muslim enemies before 1948 is absolutely ridiculous.   There are people here that obviously have neglected their historical studies, or just choose to remember what suits their agenda.

ST762

SwampThing762,
TM is known for his "historical knowledge", methinks the man lives in a parallel universe, like Mr. Mxyzptlk. 

[JustaShooter]

Oh I caught on a long time ago PM, just had a bit of time available to me to be able to do a bit of research and got sick and tired of the nonsense he was posting.  Unfortunately, now things will be getting back to normal so I won't have time to refute his lies.

Just a Shooter

 
I have no problem clarifying things for zios or zio sympathizers at any time, very important to do so--I got onto this zio stuff along time ago.....I'm flattered you expect me to bat 1000....

First, I wish you'd stop labeling me - your label maker is broken.  You have no idea who I am and what I believe.  All I'm doing here is calling you out for the lies and misrepresentations you keep spewing.  I could care less if it is pro this or anti that - truth is truth, and you have a problem speaking it.

Second, I don't expect you to bat 1000 - although, it would be nice if you'd at least bat 500.  But in post after post you lie, twist, and misrepresent the truth.

Third, you aren't clarifying anything, like I said in my last post you are changing the story completely because you were caught in a lie.

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report you numbers here, doctor.  Then comment on the current spending frenzy per US budget and load on US taxpayers...

Doctor?  Not sure if I should be flattered or offended but I'm not a doctor, and have no idea where you got that impression.

Oh, and I have no desire to do your research and lend any credibility to your anti-semitic trolling. But I will comment on this last bit - I think that the outrageous spending spree that the current and recent administrations have embarked upon is nothing short of scandalous.  We should not be spending beyond our means, certainly not to the tune that $4 of every $10 is debt.  Any aid we give to other countries should be cut immediately, and limited to just those countries that represent a clear national interest to the US.

Just a Shooter (who is increasingly tired of TM and others lies and misrepresentations)

[nw_hunter]

Well, It didn't take long for another thread to become a flame war!!!Get  back to the subject at hand and leave off the personal BS.

[SHOOTALL]

the muslim fast is a real joke, they think it's some kind of deprivation.
I can't count the times I've gotten up and had breakfast before daylight, work all day and come home for supper well after dark.   that doesn't make me a muslim does it?

I hope not I did that for years