abortion

[45-70.gov]

I tried for 14 years to adopt in Ga.  but they wanted to put black kids with black families.
we tried to get two of them that we had as foster kids.
people want those kids but the DFCS wants to keep them in foster care. more kids  = bigger budget.
thank goodness Texas had their act together and I have a daughter.
I had a place in Fla close to land_owner but had to sell it to pay the adoption fee and there's plenty of people just like me.
liberals always ask, "do you want to take care of those unwanted kids?"  YES!!!!
Michelle Bachmann also says yes and walks the walk.

you  are a good  man
you put your  money  and  a  lot  more where  your  mouth  is

[Heather]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain inalienable rights, that among these are LIFE, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." I believe that the preamble of the Constitution is pretty clear on the issue of abortion. When looking at whether abortion should be legal or illegal, it should be looked as a right to life issue, and the Constitution is VERY CLEAR on the right to life. As a citizen, this is the only information I need to justify my opinion that abortion is illegal under the Constitution and Roe vs. Wade is an unconstitutional amendment and should be abolished.
Now that we have established that abortion is illegal, the next question is is it morally wrong? From a religious standpoint, "Thou shall not kill" pretty much sums that up. Some people will argue that you can't kill something that isn't living. I believe someone already quoted the book of Jeremiah. For Christians, this is the only information they need to determine that abortion is morally wrong. For those that don't take the Bible to be the final word on moral issues consider this...


The justification for abortion for most people is that the soul doesn't enter the baby until birth. Before birth the fetus is nothing more than an extension of the mother without a separate soul. My question is how we as mere humans will ever know for sure? When does the soul enter the body, at birth, at conception, 18 days after conception when the heart starts beating? I believe that mostly everyone agrees that murder is morally wrong. If we don't KNOW when the soul enters the body, then how can we as a society allow murder to continue because there is a chance that the victim doesn't have a soul yet? Let's go ahead and say that the soul doesn't enter the body until birth. Let's look at the fetus as nothing more than a vessel for a possible soul at birth. Then, abortion is killing the vessel and not allowing a soul to be 'born'. EITHER WAY IT IS PREVENTING LIFE!

I am frequently asked how I as a woman can advocate taking away a woman's right to choose. I always repeat this story my mother used to tell me when discussing abortion.  A lady goes to her OBGYN with her 10 month old baby and finds out that she is once again pregnant. The woman tells the doctor that there is no way she can have another baby with her son still so young and dependent on her. She then tells the doctor that she must have an abortion. The doctor takes the 10 month old baby from her arms and tells her not to worry.He tells her that he understands her concerns about having to raise two babies and acknowledges her right to choose as a woman.


He then offered to give her another choice, an abortion or to kill the 10 month old so that she can focus all of her attention to the new baby. He goes on to tell her that an abortion is risky for the mother where as killing the 10 month old posed no health risk to her and would be easier for everyone involved. The woman gasp in shock saying you're a doctor. You took an oath to do no harm and now you want to kill my baby. The doctor calmly replied no mam, you want to kill your baby. I simply asked you which one you wanted me to kill!


I do believe that a woman has a right to choose whether or not she has a child, but I believe that decision should be made BEFORE conception. After conception the ONLY choice is to raise the baby or give it away.
Heather

[35ISIT]

The child in Roe vs Wade was not aborted. The actual decision came after the baby was born. Can you imagine how that child thought about its mother knowing she wanted to abort it. The original plaintiff is now a right to life worker trying to stop abortions.

[yellowtail3]

I tried for 14 years to adopt in Ga.  but they wanted to put black kids with black families.
we tried to get two of them that we had as foster kids.
people want those kids but the DFCS wants to keep them in foster care. more kids  = bigger budget.
thank goodness Texas had their act together and I have a daughter.
I had a place in Fla close to land_owner but had to sell it to pay the adoption fee and there's plenty of people just like me.

Good on you, Brother Bugeye - I'm proud of you. BZ.

[Swampman]

when was it said he wasn't ?

You said we have a choice.  That makes us God.

[BUGEYE]

Heather, excellent post.  that was better said than most.

45-70.gov,  my wife and I have been paid back 1 trillion times.  for people who do it, they don't realize the blessing until they hold that baby for the first time.

[45-70.gov]

bug eye  will do more to stop abortions  than  any religious  or poitical rant


one who  leads by example...........

[BUGEYE]

45-70.gov,  don't call me a saint.  when we flew to abiline to get her I still wasn't sure this was what I wanted to do.  I wasn't really crazy about kids, I was doing it for my wife.  but then, they came in carrying the most beautiful creature I'd ever seen.  love at first sight?  YEP!!!!!

[45-70.gov]

45-70.gov,  don't call me a saint.  when we flew to abiline to get her I still wasn't sure this was what I wanted to do.  I wasn't really crazy about kids, I was doing it for my wife.  but then, they came in carrying the most beautiful creature I'd ever seen.  love at first sight?  YEP!!!!!

i  didn't call you  a saint
i  know you have a repudation to protect


there  are a few i am sure that will call you that....your wife might even be one of them

[BUGEYE]

yes, my wife is a saint!  she puts up with me and my rants.
more people would adopt if they saw the results of it.  when we went to my MIL and went to church with her, two of my wifes friends from highschool saw our baby and now one has adopted a baby girl and the other adopted two.     If I wasn't so old and decrepit, I'd do it all over again.

[ironglow]

  Excellent post Heather...you explained it very well !
 
   Some other considerations, when the abortion apologists claim a woman should be able to do what she wants with "her body".
     Her body...really?  That baby most often, has a different blood type and DNA...ever see anyone with two different blood types and DNA patterns within their OWN body ?
   People have been convicted of capital crimes with their fingerprints alone.  Tha baby has it's own, unique fingerprints at 14 weeks of gestation.
  About 50% of the time the baby is a boy..is the 'woman' then not a woman, but an hermaphrodite ?
   
        Here are a few more interesting facts;  http://prolifeaction.org/faq/unborn.php
 
    Again;  excellent explanation, Heather !

[DDZ]

Your  post is spot on Heather, especially the story.  I think when the baby is still in the womb, its like out of sight, out of mind. Can't see it, and don't know it.  Which gives people an easier decision to kill it for convenience. The fact is the baby in the mothers womb is no different than the baby she holds in her arms. Its no different than you, I, or anyone else. Its a human being that just hasn't had the chance to be born yet.

[BUGEYE]

IG/ thanks for the website.  maybe that'll make some people stop and think.

[powderman]

HEATHER. Excellent post. 
351. I can't imagine going through life knowing that my mother wanted me dead and even went to court to do it. POWDERMAN. 

[Cabin4]

If they ask you for your advise, show them the correct course. Let them abort if they so choose. That is a choice "they" make at their own peril. I am no accomplice to their final decision.

[billy_56081]

I myself will never convict someone who kills an abortion doctor no matter what the evidence if on the jury. And if questioned during the picking of the jurors will lie to try to get on the jury to vote not guilty.

[Swampman]

That would make you an accessory to murder.

[yellowtail3]

I myself will never convict someone who kills an abortion doctor no matter what the evidence if on the jury. And if questioned during the picking of the jurors will ie to try to get on the jury to vote not guilty.

That goes against the idea of a fair trial and rule of law, doesn't it?


I'm wondering how many others' murder you would excuse.

[billy_56081]

I myself will never convict someone who kills an abortion doctor no matter what the evidence if on the jury. And if questioned during the picking of the jurors will ie to try to get on the jury to vote not guilty.

That goes against the idea of a fair trial and rule of law, doesn't it?


I'm wondering how many others' murder you would excuse.

Not murder, self defense.

[SHOOTALL]

when was it said he wasn't ?

You said we have a choice.  That makes us God.

No not at all , just human with a choice between good ( God's way ) and evil .

[ironglow]

That would make you an accessory to murder.

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    Not quite, Swampy;
  There are millions who are accessories to the murder of the little, pre-born boys & girls.  They are the millions who allow the wholesale slaughter to go on without a protest..    Rather like Germany of the 1930s and early 40s !
 

[Swampman]

Until they breath "the breath of life,", they aren't alive.  But even if they were they would go to the place where the elect go until heaven is created.

[Cabin4]

The fetus receives oxygenated blood from the mother. So they are alive according to your own definition.


 

[Doublebass73]

I tried for 14 years to adopt in Ga.  but they wanted to put black kids with black families.
we tried to get two of them that we had as foster kids.
people want those kids but the DFCS wants to keep them in foster care. more kids  = bigger budget.
thank goodness Texas had their act together and I have a daughter.
I had a place in Fla close to land_owner but had to sell it to pay the adoption fee and there's plenty of people just like me.
liberals always ask, "do you want to take care of those unwanted kids?"  YES!!!!
Michelle Bachmann also says yes and walks the walk.

Good on you Bugeye, my girlfriend also adopted her 3 kids out of Texas. She lives in Maine and flew down for each one of them. She also had to pay big bucks to adopt but it's worth every penny. Adoption is a great thing. I have a half sister that I didn't meet until I was almost 30. My mother gave her up for adoption when she was 19 and kept it a secret. A great couple adopted my sister so everybody wins in that situation.

[DDZ]

Until they breath "the breath of life,", they aren't alive. 

So you believe a baby is dead until it is born?
Just curious Swampy, do you view abortion as the murder of an unborn child. Just a yes or no will be fine. 

[SHOOTALL]

Until they breath "the breath of life,", they aren't alive. 

So you believe a baby is dead until it is born?
Just curious Swampy, do you view abortion as the murder of an unborn child. Just a yes or no will be fine.
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 The mother breaths for them . They are life not a battery on a charger .

[BUGEYE]

DoubleBass,  good for your sister.  it is very expensive.  $9000 back in 1990 and I think it's around $25000 now  but worth every penny.

I'm sure God has a special place for people who kill babies and it's probably not a fun place.

[Swampman]

Just curious Swampy, do you view abortion as the murder of an unborn child. Just a yes or no will be fine.

No....at least not Biblically.
 
 

[powderman]

Just curious Swampy, do you view abortion as the murder of an unborn child. Just a yes or no will be fine.

No....at least not Biblically.

 
Then you must not have a real Bible, or you have spent too much time with the dnc folks. What a statement for a professed Christian to make. Sad. POWDERMAN. 

[Swampman]

Christians and religious people rarely agree.  That because religious people only know what the church tells them that the Bible says.  They have that religious spirit, rather than the Holy Spirit.