Iowa straw poll...

[Lost Farmboy]

well, Ron Paul won't make it so once again the Is' and Ls'  will put obama back in the whitehouse and as a lame duck he will finish the job of destroying this country.  there's too many liberals for conservatives to be splitting their ranks.   what's that old saying? "if we don't hang together, we will surely hang separately"

 
I remember them saying the same thing about Ronald Reagan. He ran and lost a few times before he won, just like Ron Paul. A lot of people said he can't win, he's just an actor. People got tired of the high taxes and spending, just like now. I think it is Ron Paul’s time.


It doesn't matter to me if Obama completes the destruction of America or if Rick Perry does it. TM7's 14 points expose the RINO. He talks the talk then marches to the beat of different drummers. Drummers like the Builderberg group, CFR and the Trilateral commission, all determined to destroy America.

[BUGEYE]

well, Ron Paul won't make it so once again the Is' and Ls'  will put obama back in the whitehouse and as a lame duck he will finish the job of destroying this country.  there's too many liberals for conservatives to be splitting their ranks.   what's that old saying? "if we don't hang together, we will surely hang separately"

LOL!!! paul was a Republican last time I looked..............How could a vote for him be construed as splitting the Ranks? "Oh boy"Easy to see why he's fighting an uphill battle.

feel free to laugh but I know that your agenda is to make ME look bad.  what I meant was, Paul will NOT win the primary. so the independants and libertarians will toss their vote, as some have stated and it's 4 more years for obama.  why would you do this to the USA?

btw, by your response it shows that you didn't know this was just the primary coming up.

[Lost Farmboy]

  Iowa, New Hampshire, North Carolina and other early states are extremely important. Candidates that do poorly are quickly weeded out. They lose their corporate support. Ron Paul is the only candidate supported by the people.


If it's so important, why did Rick Perry not participate? He announced his candidacy when all was said and done because he would have done poorly. His New World Order handlers knew he would do poorly in Iowa. Why did Newt's campaign team quit and go to Perry’s campaign? Because their bulderburg NWO bosses told them to. Now the NWO controlled media will demonize Ron Paul and build up Perry who has a better chance in the liberal NH primaries. Perry is a sheep with large K-9 fangs and strong jaws.

[BUGEYE]

tm7s stuff is just like nwhunters, someones agenda.  you can find bad stuff and good stuff.
I've never said that Paul would not make a good prez, I just think that he won't get the nomination and that's too bad.  but if he don't get it, some of the people here will throw away their vote rather than vote for the nominee.  and if you don't mind obama finishing off the country, well, you'll get what you deserve.

[Lost Farmboy]

  The agenda is the truth. Do you have problems with the truth?


If we do not face the truth soon we will loose our freedom completely. And that is Rick Perry's NWO agenda.

[BUGEYE]

Lost Farmboy.  who's truth?  there is so much garbage on the web.  what it boils down to is, people like yourself actually hate anyone that is not your personal choice and you would rather see the country destroyed than vote for someone other than Paul.
it reminds me of a little boy who takes his football and goes home if he can't be quarterback.

[powderman]

Well I am with Matt. Overturned or not anyone who would attempt to issue an executive order mandating a vaccine has no business as president and is just another commie-just like the one we have now. What orders will he try ram down our throats as president?
 
I've said it before but here it is again:
 
I want Ron Paul. I will settle for Bachman. Anyone else and I permanently go back to "throwing" my vote away.

 
Agreed SIR. BUT, I will not throw my vote away, I will vote  for the candidate with the best chance to beat the obamination. I will not throw my vote at anybody with no chance to beat the barackolypse. POWDERMAN. 

[BUGEYE]

PM, that's the wise way to do it.
you don't suppose Matt padded his numbers do you.  I looked on the web and found 1 sick girl in Austria and 3 or 4 here.  long way from 8000.

[Dee]

While I agree with Lost Farmboy on points, I will not limit myself to Ron Paul, and am not sure LP is either. However, I will not vote lessor of two evil, and care not about what anyone thinks, or how they feel about my convictions. After all, they are MY convictions.
I will if given the chance, vote for either Paul or Backman, but will not vote for the other clowns in the race, whether they be Gingrich, Romney, or the others in the field. Settling for less, and getting less, has gone on too long. At some point in time, one has to say enough, is enough, and I have long since past that.
BY THE WAY! I DON'T HATE ANYONE RUNNING. I JUST WON'T SUPPORT MOST OF THEM, BUT DO TWO OF THEM. IF NEITHER OF THE TWO WIN THE PRIMARY, THEN IT'S BACK TO THE LIBRATARIAN, AND CONSTITUTIONAL PARTY CANDIDATES IF AVAILABLE.

[BUGEYE]

I said that it's too bad that Paul won't get the nomination.
but some do selective reading.

Dee, I didn't say it was you.

[Dee]

I didn't think ya did BUGEYE. I don't think we disagree on much. I'm just not sure your fully understandin LF. I'm kinda agreein with you both, and that seems odd, if your on opposite sides. You see what I'm sayin?

[lakota]

I'm beginning to have problems telling the difference between a commiecrat and a republicommie and I am also beginning to question why I would bother voting for either.

[Lost Farmboy]

Lost Farmboy.  who's truth?  there is so much garbage on the web.  what it boils down to is, people like yourself actually hate anyone that is not your personal choice

 
I hate no one. Jesus has successfully taught me to love my enemies.

[lakota]

While I agree with Lost Farmboy on points, I will not limit myself to Ron Paul, and am not sure LP is either. However, I will not vote lessor of two evil, and care not about what anyone thinks, or how they feel about my convictions. After all, they are MY convictions.
I will if given the chance, vote for either Paul or Backman, but will not vote for the other clowns in the race, whether they be Gingrich, Romney, or the others in the field. Settling for less, and getting less, has gone on too long. At some point in time, one has to say enough, is enough, and I have long since past that.
BY THE WAY! I DON'T HATE ANYONE RUNNING. I JUST WON'T SUPPORT MOST OF THEM, BUT DO TWO OF THEM. IF NEITHER OF THE TWO WIN THE PRIMARY, THEN IT'S BACK TO THE LIBRATARIAN, AND CONSTITUTIONAL PARTY CANDIDATES IF AVAILABLE.

Good post. The revolution has to start somewhere so why not with the two of us? And if enough of us get fed up and vote freedom first instead of voting lessor of two evils we will soon have a pro freedom president and the republicommies and commiecrats can either fix thier parties or they can witness the demise of thier parties.

[ironglow]

Lost farmboy;
  I was once a sinner..but now am saved by grace.  I once rarely thought much upon God's word, but now study and meditate upon it !   
Perry was once a Democrat..so was Ronald Reagan..   Reagan "saw the light" and changed, actually doing a 180 degree switch.  I believe alert, observant and smart people can do this, only the party mules plod on.  Did Rick Perry do a complete 180 ?  We'll soon find out, since the Democrat's "dirt machine" will soon be excavating..then we must decide what is plausible and what are manufactured lies.
   I believe for most of us you are "spinning your wheels" when you complain of NWO, CFR, trilateral commission and the illuminatti running the show.  You are convinced that there is such a mysterious cabal which runs the world...but most don't accept those conclusions.  So, when such a world-wide conspiracy is cited, you may as well accuse Mickey , Donald and Pluto of hatching up a plan for world domination..
   Sure there are negative political forces at work..e.g. George Soros and the Fabian Socialist movement, but such ego -driven individuals cannot cooperate so well for so long.  I would suppose they are grateful for the NWO, CFR, illuminatti and Trilateral commission distractions though.
  They probably don't mind the accusations hurled at the Freemasons either..takes the eyes off them..
   NOMOSENDORO makes a good point;
  "I am not very fond of Perry at this point, but I find it humorus how Liberals are trying to warn Conservatives that Perry isn't Conservative enough, funny stuff". 
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  I always find it humorous when liberals pretend to give conservatives "friendly advice" as to what candidate, idea or bill would help the conservative movement most..   Yeah; Sure ! 

[BUGEYE]

lakota, that's an excellent idea and it may happen some day, but not in my lifetime.
as old conservatives die off, they're replaced by young liberals.
I'm for armed revolution before it's too late.  but it may already be.

[nomosendero]

While I agree with Lost Farmboy on points, I will not limit myself to Ron Paul, and am not sure LP is either. However, I will not vote lessor of two evil, and care not about what anyone thinks, or how they feel about my convictions. After all, they are MY convictions.
I will if given the chance, vote for either Paul or Backman, but will not vote for the other clowns in the race, whether they be Gingrich, Romney, or the others in the field. Settling for less, and getting less, has gone on too long. At some point in time, one has to say enough, is enough, and I have long since past that.
BY THE WAY! I DON'T HATE ANYONE RUNNING. I JUST WON'T SUPPORT MOST OF THEM, BUT DO TWO OF THEM. IF NEITHER OF THE TWO WIN THE PRIMARY, THEN IT'S BACK TO THE LIBRATARIAN, AND CONSTITUTIONAL PARTY CANDIDATES IF AVAILABLE.

Good post. The revolution has to start somewhere so why not with the two of us? And if enough of us get fed up and vote freedom first instead of voting lessor of two evils we will soon have a pro freedom president and the republicommies and commiecrats can either fix thier parties or they can witness the demise of thier parties.

Good post Lakota!

[nomosendero]

Some of those 14 reasons are very significant, if accurate.
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/14-reasons-why-rick-perry-would-be-a-really-really-bad-president
 
I saw this on the flipside: http://texasfor56.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/top-ten-reasons-to-vote-for-rick-perry/
 
My feeling right now is on the negative side.
 
I have a friend who is a good friend of the top guy at AFA, who sponsored the prayer meeting with Perry. I am going to run these 14 reasons by point by point & see how it goes.
 
I understand he is a straight shooter, we shall see, no offense to anyone but I dig much deeper than these forums to gather the truth, I do have confidence in a handful here, but
information & dis-information abound.

[sidewinder319]

Killing little girls. Was a Dem. the left is scared out of their a$$.  The Pro-Union Pro-Dem Pro- left is in attack mode.  Throw all this propaganda you want Americans are not going to listen this time. Ron Paul beat Tim Paulenty who was such a loser he quit the game. M. Backman was an Iowa Native who did you expect to win this one?  This straw pole has only had one winner become president. That was Geo. W. Bush. This is nothing more than a summer party in the great corn field. It proves nothing.

[Hooker]

So TM7 Bachman worked for the IRS and that should be a strike against her?
Well it is the federal government that allows the IRS to work their evil. So by that standard, anyone who ever worked for the U.S. federal government should be held accountable for the evils done by the the government and its bureaucracies.Holy smokes that would be a long list of folks
Do you honestly think her working for the IRS is an issue or were you just using up wave length ?

Pat

[powderman]

NOMOSENDERO. YES, please dig, and report your findings. I, for one, want to know. POWDERMAN. 

[BUGEYE]

nomo, yes, dig deep.   If Ron Paul does not get the nomination, I will call his office and find out if he would advise people to throw away their votes.  I'm sure that he and his son will back the nominee.

[BUGEYE]

I guess it would have been okay for Bachmann to use acorn and have dead people vote.

[BUGEYE]

that's what the liberals do, past, present and future.

[Gary G]

In my eyes, Paul and Bachman were essentially tied. There was less than 1% difference in their totals. Bachman handed out 6000 voting entries free of charge that cost $30 each. Paul did not.

Ironglow, I will admit that the Iran thing is presently hurting Ron Paul. I think his position is that Iran has not attacked anyone in over 100 years and Iraq is the only war they have been involved in as a country in over 100 years (and they were attacked by Iraq). Iran does not have an airforce nor a capable navy that could even get them to the US. They barely can make enough gas to provide for their limited automobiles. They are no real threat except that they sell oil to countries we don't like. We are broke and cannot afford another unnecessary war.

Our government has a habit of creating booger-bears to instill fear in the people for purposes of keeping the masses in check. This is true of all empires.

Now why would Iran even desire a nuclear weapon. Could it be that since the US only attacks non-nuclear countries they would feel safer? After all, we have been threatening them for several years. There is no real proof that they are trying to develop one.

[Lost Farmboy]

Who pays for the Iowa straw poll??

 
It's starting to look like Michele Bachman.

[Lost Farmboy]

  So Perry did do a 180, on the HPV vaccine that is.


I am very suspicious of candidates that change their mind the day after announcing a run for president.


http://www.texastribune.org/texas-people/rick-perry/facing-new-scrutiny-perry-walks-back-hpv-decision/

[ironglow]

   Iran, until just over 3 decades ago was run by the Shah..he had no desire to expand Iran's territory, nor any plans for a world-wide kaliffe.  After the hostile act of invading the US embassy in Teheran (technically an act of war), the US shut off spare parts for the weapons systems the Shah had purchased from us..so they have been biding their time.  They have not been idle in their hostile intents, however.  They are killing Americans even as we speak.
   http://www.guns.com/iranian-weapons-kill-us-troops-at-unprecedented-pace.html
  With Amadinijhad looking forward for the arrival of his "12th Imam"..he has admitted it is his duty to cause chaos in the world, thereby setting up then world for the entry of his "12th Imam"; whose description suggests to some Christians, a type of the anti-Christ.
  As I said earlier, I like Ron Paul's domestic policy, but (IMO) he seems naive when it comes to foreign policy.  He not only gives Iran a pass... but China as well.  China is at this moment building aircraft carriers as rapidly as they can.  Aircraft carriers are for one purpose...extending the influence & poiwer of the nation which possesses them..they are offensive weapons.  China attacks us in cyber space...and they will dominate us as soon as they are able... if our elected leaders allow them to.
     Below, see anewChinese catamaran style aircraft carrier now on the drawing boards..two flight decks and twice as large as our super carriers.

[jimster]

I find it rather odd that some would say if I don't vote for Romney (and I won't) that I am the one who is bringing down the U.S...when in fact the reason we are in this mess is because those very same people voted for socialists who said they were XXX conservative party, and already wrecked the country by voting for their party thinking the lesser of two evils would somehow work.  To that I say, don't blame me for what you already did to us, blame yourself, and don't count on me to follow your methods of voting either.  It obviously doesn't work. 
It was over for the republican party when they picked McLame, that was the final gasp. They been going bad a long time.  The democrats were dead already, I'm not sure what they really are, communist leaches is as close as anything.  Hell they were confiscating the people's wealth from the beginning, and picking up momentum since they took the people's gold and created the federal reserve.
If neither party has someone who reflects the idea of small government large private sector, how can you expect to gain all the conservative votes?  By telling us we are wrecking the country by not voting your way?  I don't think that's working...

so the independants and libertarians will toss their vote, as some have stated
and it's 4 more years for obama.  why would you do this to the USA?

[BBF]

I've been messin' with and operating boats for many years. I don't consider myself even a microscopic size naval architect. A catamaran aircraft carrier IMO opinion is another Titanic not needing an iceberg.