Iowa straw poll...

[Lost Farmboy]

PM, that's the wise way to do it.
you don't suppose Matt padded his numbers do you.  I looked on the web and found 1 sick girl in Austria and 3 or 4 here.  long way from 8000.

 
 

Matt's numbers are really low.

In all the FDA documented 6,723 adverse events related to Gardasil in 2008, of which 1,061 were considered "serious," and 142 considered "life threatening,” the group reported.

Further, as Barbara Loe Fisher reported in the video above, by the summer of 2009 Gardasil had already caused more than 15,000 reports of vaccine reactions, including more than 3,000 injuries and 48 deaths.

However, it’s estimated that only between 1 percent and 10 percent of vaccine adverse events are ever reported, which means there could actually be anywhere from 150,000 to 1.5 million vaccine injuries related to Gardasil.

>http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/08/Hundreds-of-Thousands-of-Reactions-to-Gardasil-Is-Your-Child-Next.aspx

[BUGEYE]

doctors report all that kinda stuff to the CDC.  your sources are not where I look.

[Lost Farmboy]

  The Gardasil HPV vaccine is not Rick Perry's only demonstration that he can ram unwanted laws down the throats of Americans as well as Obama. No he killed the Texas TSA bill. The Texas house unanimously passed the bill protecting citizens from the unconstitutional sexual assaults. Then the Texas senate never brought it up for a vote. Why? Because Perry had his Chicago style goons call each senator and tell them if they pass the law that all Texas airports would be shut down. To hide his actions Perry called a special session to make it look like he was trying to revive the bill. It never came up again.

[Dee]

Actually Perry added some anti-groping to the bill, and was a big supporter of it. It was the house that dropped the ball. My youngest son was right in the middle of the calling. It is truly amazing how facts can be reversed completely here.

[BUGEYE]

yeah, the governor can just sieze all the airports (federal property) and shut'em down.
you've been listening to tm7 too much.

[Gary G]

   Iran, until just over 3 decades ago was run by the Shah..he had no desire to expand Iran's territory, nor any plans for a world-wide kaliffe.  After the hostile act of invading the US embassy in Teheran (technically an act of war), the US shut off spare parts for the weapons systems the Shah had purchased from us..so they have been biding their time.  They have not been idle in their hostile intents, however.  They are killing Americans even as we speak.
   http://www.guns.com/iranian-weapons-kill-us-troops-at-unprecedented-pace.html
  With Amadinijhad looking forward for the arrival of his "12th Imam"..he has admitted it is his duty to cause chaos in the world, thereby setting up then world for the entry of his "12th Imam"; whose description suggests to some Christians, a type of the anti-Christ.
  As I said earlier, I like Ron Paul's domestic policy, but (IMO) he seems naive when it comes to foreign policy.  He not only gives Iran a pass... but China as well.  China is at this moment building aircraft carriers as rapidly as they can.  Aircraft carriers are for one purpose...extending the influence & poiwer of the nation which possesses them..they are offensive weapons.  China attacks us in cyber space...and they will dominate us as soon as they are able... if our elected leaders allow them to.
     Below, see anewChinese catamaran style aircraft carrier now on the drawing boards..two flight decks and twice as large as our super carriers.

IG, China already has us anytime they get ready. They hold over a trillion in US dollars and  bonds. The debtor becomes the slave of the creditor. They could dump those bonds anytime they get ready and that would be the end. They don't need weapons for us. That would destroy our money, send interest rates to the moon and essentially destroy function of government. And how did we get into such bad shape. One of the big reasons is unlimited and unnecessary wars. The US spends over 50% of the worlds total for military and China spends 13%. Iran isn't even listed. Let us remember Washington's words to avoid foreign entanglements.

Ron Paul was the only one in that debate that has not already declared war on Iran. All the rest are neocons.

[Lost Farmboy]

http://joerobertson.com/liberty/why-is-rick-perry-against-the-u-s-constitution

[BUGEYE]

tm, I thought you liked it when people listened to you.

[Matt]

Look why is this such a hard concept to grasp? Ron Paul is the best choice we have if we want to save this country for our children and grand children. The first vote will be the primaries and RON PAUL will be on every ballot. So instead of voting for the Status Quo VOTE FOR FREEDOM and LIBERTY and the only way to do that is to vote for RON PAUL.


Why would you let those who want to keep destroying America tell you that the one man who wants to save America cant win?
It is up to us not them. We should cast our votes for who we want and not who they tell us to vote for.


This is really a dead issue now that the MASS MEDIA is having to ADMIT RON PAUL IS A FRONT RUNNER!
http://news.yahoo.com/once-fringe-candidate-paul-shaping-2012-race-205132862.html


And if the current establishment is scared then I see that as a good thing.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/08/gop-operatives-fear-lasting-ron-paul-problem


Matt

[nomosendero]

And nomosendero could you please check and see if Ms Bachmann actually did 'buy' votes to beat Dr. Paul by small margin...as reported.
 
No, you da man, let us know what you find out    There are RP followers & some that play a strange game here & would never support him.
 
 
thanx..TM7
 
 UPDATED: Bachmann Rigged Iowa Poll by Buying "At Least" 4000 Votes Sunday, 14 August 2011 07:42 | | |      
Activist Post
Congresswoman Michele Bachmann is being called the "Queen of the Straw Poll" after her victory at the Iowa straw poll yesterday for the GOP presidential nomination.
Bachmann, who finished with 4823 votes, narrowly beat second-place finisher Congressman Ron Paul who collected 4671 votes.
The Ames poll, although important because of the early significance of Iowa in the primaries, is nonbinding and unscientific.
AFP reported that "It has been criticized as playing too heavily in favor of candidates that are well financed, since their campaigns can buy the $30 tickets for their supporters to attend and presumably vote in their favor."
The Ames event was considered to be a Republican fundraiser, yet Bachmann's campaign bought and "handed out at least 4,000 free tickets to supporters."
Therefore, Bachmann appears to have rigged the vote at a minimum direct cost of $120,000 to her campaign.
Another anomaly with the vote surfaced this morning when it was discovered that 218 votes went unaccounted for. In other words, these votes were in the overall tally but not registered to any of the candidates.
One would think the media would attempt to uncover the discrepancy given the razor thin 152-vote margin between Bachmann and Paul.  However, so far, they've been content to call her the "queen" of the event.

 
Headlines on FoxNews, CNN, MSNBC, and all over the web should have been “Randy Travis Wins Ames Straw Poll Edging out Ron Paul” instead of headlines which touted Congresswoman Michele Bachmann’s victory.
Bachmann spent upwards of $1 million, paid for over 6000 tickets, paid for Grammy Award winning, country musician Randy Travis to show up, and bussed in Randy Travis fans in order to secure 152 more votes than Congressman Ron Paul. Michele Bachmann’s camp handed out flyers, which stated that in order to see the entertainment, you had to vote for her first.  Here is an image of the flyer that was around Ames,
 
 
While Bachmann gave out over 6000 tickets(worth $180,000 at $30 each), she received ~4800 votes, so 20% of those who she bought tickets for voted for other candidates. A country concert, a ride to that concert, and various other free stuff is a great deal for a simple vote.
Though she may have won the Ames Straw Poll, Bachmann will not be able to bus in country music fans for a free show for a vote scheme at the Iowa Caucus in 2012. As Joe Scarborough put it, “She is a joke. Her candidacy is a joke.”

Ye haa, go get um TM, prove it to all !
 
I did not think of the Perry Camp info, I guess that could save some time
 
Oh ya, RP in 2012, until in the booth, right

[Matt]

Here are a few more links
http://www.topix.com/issue/fox/gop-debate-aug11


http://www.dailypaul.com/157051/nia-declares-ron-paul-2012-presidential-front-runner-says-the-political-establishment-is-afraid-of-ron-paul


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/08/12/benzinga1854956.DTL


http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/176623-the-the-debate-paul-wins-bachmann-wins-perry-heads-for-the-ok-corral

[Lost Farmboy]

yeah, the governor can just sieze all the airports (federal property) and shut'em down.
you've been listening to tm7 too much.

 
Federal property, isn't the Atlanta airport owned by the city of Atlanta? A retired Delta employee should know that.
 
The threat from the governors office was really from his NWO puppet masters. The same builderbergers pulling Obamas strings. They control most if not all federal government agencies, like the FBI, CIA, FDA and TSA. Texas senators called Alex Jones's Austin radio show and reported the threats came from Perry's office.


TM7 and I are completely and totally independent. I often times do not read TM7's posts because they are too long and cryptic. We have both done extensive research and often independently find the same TRUTHS.

[Lost Farmboy]

doctors report all that kinda stuff to the CDC.  your sources are not where I look.

 
I know this. That is why you are disabled and “too decrepit to bug out” ( your words from the survival forum ). You and many other Americans are paying a high price for trusting modern medicine and the government agencies (FDA, USDA AND FTC) helping them to deceive you.


Dr Ron Paul has been fighting for years to give Americans health freedom and accesses to health information hidden by the pharmaceutical company controlled FDA. There are not enough congressmen willing to stand up to the pharmaceutical companies (who finance their campaigns) to do anything. As president Dr Ron Paul could do it by executive order.

[ironglow]

http://joerobertson.com/liberty/why-is-rick-perry-against-the-u-s-constitution

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  As Dee so aptly pointed out...any bill can have a "poison pill" attached to it!    A governor can be handed a bill that has a rider which outlaws a credit card interest of 36%...but his/her political enemies put in a poison pill, which outlaws concealed carry !
   If the governor respects the Bill of rights..he/she would have no choice..he would HAVE to veto the bill.
 Then of course, his political enemies trumpet a slogan.."Gov Perry is FOR 36% interest on credit cards"...totally ignoring his solid support for the Bill of Rights..
  An old political trick; but then some idiot, partisan reporter will even go so far as to say the governor is "against the constitution"

[Lost Farmboy]

  Ironglow you just described every bill in DC.

[Lost Farmboy]

Lost farmboy;
  I was once a sinner..but now am saved by grace.  I once rarely thought much upon God's word, but now study and meditate upon it !   
Perry was once a Democrat..so was Ronald Reagan..   Reagan "saw the light" and changed, actually doing a 180 degree switch.  I believe alert, observant and smart people can do this, only the party mules plod on.  Did Rick Perry do a complete 180 ?  We'll soon find out, since the Democrat's "dirt machine" will soon be excavating..then we must decide what is plausible and what are manufactured lies.
   I believe for most of us you are "spinning your wheels" when you complain of NWO, CFR, trilateral commission and the illuminatti running the show.  You are convinced that there is such a mysterious cabal which runs the world...but most don't accept those conclusions.  So, when such a world-wide conspiracy is cited, you may as well accuse Mickey , Donald and Pluto of hatching up a plan for world domination..
   Sure there are negative political forces at work..e.g. George Soros and the Fabian Socialist movement, but such ego -driven individuals cannot cooperate so well for so long.  I would suppose they are grateful for the NWO, CFR, illuminatti and Trilateral commission distractions though.
  They probably don't mind the accusations hurled at the Freemasons either..takes the eyes off them..
   NOMOSENDORO makes a good point;
  "I am not very fond of Perry at this point, but I find it humorus how Liberals are trying to warn Conservatives that Perry isn't Conservative enough, funny stuff". 
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  I always find it humorous when liberals pretend to give conservatives "friendly advice" as to what candidate, idea or bill would help the conservative movement most..   Yeah; Sure ! 

 
Interesting post.


I didn’t see Ronald Reagan doing a 180.  He saw the democratic party leave him.  He saw it as unsalvageable.  So he took things the democrats abandoned to the republican party.  Not much difference between Kennedy and Reagan on policy.  Just like now there is not much different from Clinton, Bushes and Obama.


Seeing how Perry used an Obama style executive order to force young girls to take the dangerous gardasil vaccine is disgusting. Very anti-freedom.  He would make as good of a dictator as Obama. 
Then the more recent TSA bill kill. Again showing his ability to shove the now agenda down unwilling
American throats. He is very good at covering his tracks, but I have to strongly consider the reports to Alex Jones's radio show from the Texas senators.


With the fact that builderburg insiders claim Perry is the builderberg choice I consider Perry to be the most dangerous RINO in the herd. I will expose the wolf in sheep's clothing every chance I get.


Spinning my wheels about the NWO, yes. But, it is no different than when I risked my life to bring the gospel of Jesus to the jungles in South America and SE Asia. And that was easier than trying to bring the gospel to Americans. Talk about spinning wheels. I have seen too many miracles to stop talking about Jesus. I have also seen too many things to stop warning the world about the goals of the NWO. They appear to be using the book of revelation as their play book. Too bad they do not understand the end!!!


Ironglow do you consider me a liberal?

[powderman]

  Ironglow you just described every bill in DC.

 
YEP. There should be a law against riders and attachments on all bills, if a bill can't pass on it's own merit, it's a BAD bill. There are too many laws NOW. POWDERMAN. 

[Gary G]

It is quite apparent that the D.C. kleptocracy is very much afraid of Ron Paul who would likely rain on their beltway party. It is also clear that the kleptocracy controls the mainstream media as is made very clear in this very funny Jon Stewart clip:
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/08/brilliant-jon-stewart-calls-out.html

Kleptocracy definition - government by those that seek status or personal gain at the expense of the governed.

I suspect that this could very well backfire on them as information is disseminated via the Internet. Will they censor the Internet?

[ironglow]

  Michelle Bachmann wins..Ron Paul second..Tim Pawlenty third..followed by Santorum , Cain and then Rick Perry (as a write-in only)..
    I believe Bachmann is the only one of the top 3 that could hope to translate this to top of the ticket...but she will have her work cut out for her !
   There are other states in the union, however..so Mitt Romney cannot be counted out. I still think Rick Perry could well be the 800 pound gorilla..   Just my $ .02..

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   Looks like I was right, back on 8/13..  Fox News this morning, reports that Rick Perry has jumped out to a huge lead in polls.
     http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/gop_primary_perry_29_romney_18_bachmann_13
 
        Kinda looks like an 800 lb gorilla, doesn't it !   Still, there is some talk of Gov Christie still making a move..

[Dee]

Christie is just all we need. A New Jersey Rino in the white house. Wouldn't that be just great?

[Matt]

Link fixed in Gary G's post... Though it is Stewart it is still worth watching as it really shows how the media pretends he does not exist. CNN does not even want to talk about him and say this on national TV.


Matt

[powderman]

I'd never heard Jon Stewart before, must be on cable. Almost unbelieveable the way they IGNORED Ron Paul, the libs and media clearly fear him. Hardly ever see anything about him out of the Lou dem controlled media either. This really ticks me off. POWDERMAN. 

[Gary G]

Powderman, it ticks me off too! It makes me want to vote for R.P. just to because they are trying to control me.
Of course, I was going to anyway, but it makes me feel good to give the establishment a little punch in the belly.

[powderman]

The media is what got Mccain the nomination. They pushed him knowing he couldn't win, thats why they are refusing to give Ron Paul any coverage, they fear him. POWDERMAN. 

[Gary G]

Hamilton feared Jefferson. He was a thorn in their grandiose plans. Liberty and the "big government establishment" are an antithesis.

[ironglow]

Lost Farmboy asks;
   "  Ironglow do you consider me a liberal?"
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  Lost Farmboy;
  By all means I do not consider you a liberal.  That added mention of liberals was brought to mind by you..but I didn't mean you.  So often, liberals in the media are giving advice to conservatives..trying to tell us who and what would be a "bad choice".
  We hear people like Chris Matthews, Jon Stewart, that Madcow woman and various liberal politicians are continually offering advice...we can rest assured that they do hold the best interests of conservatism at heasrt.              
 
   Yes; I do believe Ron Paul is being short-changed by the media..    Again,... the media want excitement and headlines, RP is not  rockets going off..  He has a solid domestic program...but that doesn't translate to anything trickling up or down Chris Matthews' leg !  Actually, RP is not alone..they are also, although not so severely..trying to shrug off Rick Santorum and Herman Cain..

[andy1300]

Bachmann is a nut job, I hope none of guys wouldn,t even think of voting for her.

[1marty]

they are all the same-they should serve one four year term as president and one four year term in jail. They say what you want to hear but do the opposite. In NY they elected a woman senator who came from a rural area upstate. Once she got into office she went from very pro-gun to anti-gun and supports every flaky Charles Schumer proposal and kisses his you know what. They are all crooks and liars-sorry to sound so down on politicians but after living 68 years you come to realize they are all bums.

[nomosendero]

Farmboy..fair enough  (don't know about that cryptic charge though.. ).  I'm just waiting for nomosendero to report back on Slick Rick's 14 faux paux since he knows one of Ric's campaign people personally...or if Anita Perry is really miffed. Or if TPer Bachmann bought the straw poll....all part of the Great Circus,,great entertainment these Bilderberger, CFR, Tri-lateralists candidates.
 
Like Matt said...Dr. Paul is the last great hope....my estimation is if he gets closer to the prezidency he will get trashed and they will bring out the anti-semitic charges on him as they did with Buchanan years back.
 
 
..TM7

You can't read or did not read my post, or just wanted to misrepresent,I did not say I know any of Perry's campaign people at all, the post is still there.

[Dee]

Much is made of this Iowa straw poll, and perhaps in the old days it was an indicator. HOWEVER! Today elections are bought, not voted on. Oh yes, everyone still votes, and the votes for the most part are counted, but "billions of dollars are spent on mis-information" to the point that no one really knows what a candidate stands for, nor do they care. A lie, or misconception is repeated enough, that the "lazy voter" votes on WHAT HE OR SHE HEARD. Nothing more.
The Democrat says we have to tax the rich, so the envious poor guy want to keep gettin his check, and votes for him. The Republican says he's gonna balance the budget, and he won't. It's endless!
In the cafe in my home town it's no different. The little man says, stop welfare to lazy folks, and big farmer farm subsidies to farmers AND THEIR WIVES. The farmer on the other hand says stop welfare to lazy folks, and the Democrats have always treated us farmers better than the Republicans.
Historically, Ron Paul has always done well in the Iowa straw poll, and that's about as far as it goes, or will ever go. Too many here, and else where will accuse you of wasting your vote, and they will not support him. They will once again: Settle for less, and get less, by voting for the "lessor of two evils".