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« on: August 15, 2011, 10:30:31 AM »
I discovered an old photo, in my late grandmother's pictures, of a Confederate soldier. On the back is written what apears to be;
 
John S. Cook
Drum Major
21rst Regiment Memphis Volunteers
 
 
I can't find anything on that unit. Has anyone ever heard of it or know of any battles it might have engaged in? The Cook name does not ring any bells and this maybe someone who fought alongside my great-grandfather ( enlisted at 14 yrs old) and or his father. Cook would most likely have been from Mississippi or Texas. Any info would be greatly apreciated. Thanks....SH ^i^

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Re: Need Help
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2011, 02:10:45 PM »
Your best bet, I think, would be to go here:  http://history-sites.com/  and scroll down to the Tennessee section.  There are three different links for TN.   Good luck. And, if you would be so kind, come back and let us know if and what you find out.

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Could you please post the photo here?  Thanks.
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2011, 03:08:47 PM »
Thanks, my brother has it at the moment. Taking it to a local historic Asociation to have them look at it. I'll post it soon as I get it back.

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2011, 03:27:00 PM »
Thanks. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2011, 10:46:04 AM »
Ok, here's the pic. I have a correction though. On the Back it says John S. Cook, Drum Major, 21rst Regiment, Mafs. Vol. The Vol would surely be Volunteers but what the heck would Mafs. stand for? I doubt Memphis. I expect this fellow to be from Texas or Mississipi but possibly S.C. saying, only because that's where my family was from. I would expect him to be a Confederate but can anyone identify the uniform?
 

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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2011, 11:35:43 AM »
Ok, two things;
1) That looks like a Union uniform to me
2) I found one case where Mafs. Was used in front of Volunteer and it stood for Massachusets.
 
I'm a bit puzzled why my grandmother, who's family was definitely hard core Confederate, would have had a pic of a Union soldier unless this fellow was related to her husband or the pic was taken as booty from a battle. Boy if that pic could talk!

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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2011, 12:14:40 PM »
I'm going to go out on a limb here with a WAG and suggest that "mafs" is actually "mass."  It wasn't unusual for a double s to have one or both look to us like an f.

I don't recall seeing CSA insignia with that curve and sharp point in the chevrons - not saying that there weren't any, but I just don't recall seeing them in any reference I've run across, and that style of chevrons came into use in the US Army after the War (I think). Also, CS frock coats, if they had sleeve buttons usually had two rather than three.  So, another WAG is that, barring anything on the photo giving a year, that photo was taken after the War, and Sgt.Maj Cook was in a MA infantry unit. 

Just my gut feeling on all that.  I saw that you posted on the TN page, you might also want to post the photo there and on the Equipment forum too.  If you can, scan and post the back of the photo too.

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I guess you posted a follow up as I was starting my answer.
If your family has roots in TN it well could be that he went N.  TN had a lot of sons in federal blue as well as Gray.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2011, 12:27:29 PM »
I'm pretty sure I found him. First, what looked like an S turned out to be an L clearly seen in the right light with a magnifying glass. I then found John L Cook, Company G, 21rst Regiment, Mass. Volunteers. I'd say with 99% certainty that that's my man. Now to see what else I can find out about him. It doesn't list when he enlisted nor was mustered out, nor rank. 
http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.cfm ( what does the letters Mus. & Prin. Mus. mean?)
 
After garrison duty at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, the regiment served with the Coast Division commanded by Maj. Gen. Ambrose Burnside. The Coast Division was deployed in January 1862 for operations on the coast of North Carolina, and participated in the Battle of Roanoke Island and the Battle of New Bern among other engagements. Burnside's division was recalled to Virginia in July 1862. The 21st Massachusetts was then attached to the Army of the Potomac and participated in several of the largest battles of the Civil War, including the Second Battle of Bull Run, the Battle of Antietam, and the Battle of Fredericksburg. The most devastating engagement of the war for the 21st was the Battle of Chantilly, fought on September 1, 1862, during which the unit suffered 35 percent casualties.[1] From March 1863 to January 1864, the 21st served with Burnside in the Department of the Ohio, seeing action in Kentucky and eastern Tennessee. In May 1864, the regiment rejoined the Army of the Potomac, participating in Lt. Gen. Ulysses Grant's Overland Campaign and the Siege of Petersburg.[1] The regiment was a favorite of Clara Barton, the famed battlefield nurse, who was also from Worcester County, Massachusetts.[2]
By the end of its three years of service, the 21st Massachusetts had been reduced from 1,000 men to fewer than 100.[1] Of these losses, 152 were killed in action or died from wounds received in action, approximately 400 were discharged due to wounds, 69 were taken prisoner, and approximately 300 were discharged due to disease, resignation, or desertion.[1] Those of the 21st who chose to re-enlist at the end of their initial three-year commitment were eventually consolidated with the 36th Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry on October 21, 1864.[3]

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2011, 01:44:31 PM »
Mystery somewhat solved. I had assumed, ( always a mistake to assume), that Cook had to be tied to my grandmother. I found the roster for the 21rst Reg, Mass. and decided to see if any family names apeared that I would recognise. Got a bit of a shock. My last name is Laws and I was raised from birth by my grandmother. There on the roster, same regiment, same company "G", was listed a Samuel N. Laws! Not only that but I found out what Mus. & Prin. Mus. means. It means that John L Cook enlisted as a musician and mustered out as a Principal Musician. Now, guess what Samuel Laws mustered in and out as? Yep! In as a musician and out as Principal Musician. Same regiment, same company and same job and they 100% had to have known each other. That "N" in Samuels name? My dad's first name was Newton. One heck of a lot of coincidences aint it? I know my dad's grandfather, and his brothers, were raised by other families. I'm betting either one was named Cook or that Cook was a friend and they enlisted together. Now to see if Samuel was definitely a realative. If not, as I said, an awful lot of coincidences there!

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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2011, 03:13:27 PM »
Ain't research fun?!  The more you find out, the more questions you know to ask.
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Re: Need Help
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2011, 05:21:37 AM »
He is still a good lookin feller Spirithawk---guess that is where you got your good looks from---just sayin.  ;)
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Re: Need Help
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2011, 06:39:38 AM »
...Samuel N. Laws... That "N" in Samuels name? My dad's first name was Newton.

 :o   Guess what my middle name is diganeli!  It's a family name going back long before the war.  And I had family in Worchester and surrounding central Mass during that time!  Under the last name Rawson though.  Maybe we be kin!   ;D
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Re: Need Help
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2011, 07:34:11 AM »
Ain't research fun?!  The more you find out, the more questions you know to ask.

I was about to say the same thing when I saw your post.  ;D

Spirithawk, sounds like you've got the bug now!!  ;D Joe is right, the more you find out, the deeper you want to dig. Good luck in your new adventure.  :)

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Re: Need Help
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2011, 06:04:42 PM »
...Samuel N. Laws... That "N" in Samuels name? My dad's first name was Newton.

 :o   Guess what my middle name is diganeli!  It's a family name going back long before the war.  And I had family in Worchester and surrounding central Mass during that time!  Under the last name Rawson though.  Maybe we be kin!   ;D

Of course we're kin Diganeli. Never doubted it. :)