Educated opinions on a SHTF load out

[rockwool]

Since the future is uncertain. we must prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
Im sure that most of you reading this has thought through and thru what you should have and do. And seems like an open discussion is a valuable way to brain storm so i want to hear your thoughts on the best survival equipment.
keep in mind if things do end up a bad there is not going to be a wall mart or big 5 to go to. SO what you have is pretty much all you will ever have.
keep in mind its easier to carry 500 22lr then the same amount of 30-06. but the raw stopping power is very limited to placement and range.  Can put food on the table but may not stop a looter or dangerous animal right away.
Somthing that. is reliable. easy to maintain with out a smith shop. can be shot over and over with out cleaning for a period of time.

MY TOP CHOICES.
SKS, a 30 round box and a bayonet will get you far in life. plus the bulk ammo that is waiting to be stockpiled
a 6 shooter than will fling a big chunk of lead. or perhaps a more conventional pistol. glock, 1911, sig ,and so on....
a shotgun because what kind of american would we be with out a shotgun
a small caliber for eating with. Squirrles, rabbits, birds, pigs.
and a bow

[45-70.gov]

MY TOP CHOICES.
[/size]small concealable 357 mag.......[38  next choice]
to  have  on person  at ALL  times
not having  this  is  not an option



reliable 12 guage.........double, pump....auto

for   it fire power  and versatility


reliable scoped  high power rifle.....308  270  223  30-30......personal preference
for the range and power


reliable  22 rimfire.....scoped is a must
LOTS OF AMMO........small game for food
one  more gun to arm a friend with

[Dee]

I find it very hard to believe that there will be much "living off the land" in a SHTF environment. I would want to have a very low profile, and crankin off a round at a rabbit would definitely draw a hungry crowd.
The American Indian was one of the most practical peoples to inhabit North America, and it is documented that these expert hunters, sometimes "starved to death" in tribal numbers, and as individuals.
Shut the utilities off in a major city, and the park deer will be killed, and eaten in a week or less. Defense and co opting I think will be what it takes for any long term survival.
Of course, just like everyone else here, it's just my opinion.

[45-70.gov]

i  forgot  to  add   my fishing  pole.....i live at the beach......river in the back yard




easyer  to fish  with a small revolver do it all the time] than  a rifle or shotgun

[Dee]

I think the bottom line here is: Educated Opinions on a SHTF loadout? It ain't never happened, so none of us really have an education of what will work, until it happens. Then we will most likely learn more about what WILL NOT WORK, sooner that what will.
As far as your fishin pole 45-70.gov. I think I'd opt for a fish trap. It fishes all the time. Even when I ain't there.

[45-70.gov]

fish  traps  are  illegal......i  would  never use  one.......hahahahaha


i have  an  old  illegal  saine  net....that could come out of retirement

[Dee]

In a SHTF scenario, I doubt you'll be bothered by any game wardens. He's gonna be busy takin care of his own brood. If and when I and my family get hungry, all bets are off.

[SHOOTALL]

It depends on how bad the SHTF is . Down in La. it got bad and things were bad . In other areas it was as bad but the people got back on their feet. So the first load out should be friends and neighbors that will work togather.
Second will walmart and the other outlets vaporise ? The people may take all the tools and weapons but my guess is in a few weeks there will be alot of tools , weapons and such less owners. 22's carry light and if it comes down to protecting your life or stash it hits light also.
Think about what you ask, its the end of the world as we know it. We expect to master skills that few have honed in 75-100 years in a matter of days. Just trying to feed ones self will use as much energy as you can find food to supply . The idea of long walks over rough terrain fighting off those wanting what little you can tote and some in poor health , exhusted from lack of food etc. some believe they will be able to thread a 22 LR bullet into an eye or such to stop and attacker. Better have a shotgun and hope the shaking from lack of food dosen't mess your shot up to bad.
And yep to the pocket rocket not an option.
 The dead will be resupply and maybe the food they carry will help. At some point people will be food , seems to always happen.

[rockbilly]

I still have my grandfather's old telephone...............ever call up a catfish?  I have seen it work, it does bring them to the top, just like the supermarket, select what you want and leave the rest, they will also survive.

[SHOOTALL]

as long as the water is not poison .

[Old Syko]

Thread after thread of the same old thing of people worried about what to take.  I don't know where these folks think they're going to go that will be better than where they already are.  If you're not already where you think you should be then what you should take with you just doesn't matter.  Change your surroundings first and then show some concern about what gun you need.  In short, I AIN'T LEAVIN!  I presently have on my person what is proper for now and have close at hand everything else.  If I need to adjust I will as the need arises.  But even then I AIN'T LEAVIN!  If I'm not here when things go bad, I'm prepared to get back ASAP and this is where I will stand.

[SHOOTALL]

no one knows if they will be relocated due to a toxic spill , or other problem. Most would love to defend the home place but that may not be possible. And when worst case is mentioned that would include pulling up stakes and moving . Reality move or stay you will be dealing with folks you never saw before.

[BUGEYE]

Syko, I'm kinda the same way and I can't bug out for health reasons.   but I have food, water, medicine, guns and ammo all in a brick house.  on my street we have whites, blacks, asians and latinos.  we all get along so maybe we'll survive.

[Dee]

Thread after thread of the same old thing of people worried about what to take.  I don't know where these folks think they're going to go that will be better than where they already are.  If you're not already where you think you should be then what you should take with you just doesn't matter.  Change your surroundings first and then show some concern about what gun you need.  In short, I AIN'T LEAVIN!  I presently have on my person what is proper for now and have close at hand everything else.  If I need to adjust I will as the need arises.  But even then I AIN'T LEAVIN!  If I'm not here when things go bad, I'm prepared to get back ASAP and this is where I will stand.

Now here's a guy, that would make a good neighbor. I most likely ain't leavin either. The truth of the matter, know one here has ever been in a SHTF nation wide United States, cause it ain't ever happened.
If you leave your place unattended, there won't be anything left to come back too. And unless your going to a friend or family members place, no one else is gonna want you there either.
My plans will change when they need to change, but they will revolve on this place I worked my butt off payin for.

[Pat/Rick]

I'm planning on staying in place as well. If the time comes when I am forced to leave with the understanding that I won't be back, there will be a fire. I believe in scorched earth, I'm not prepping for others to enjoy, but for my family. Load out? 1.Cutting, 2. container, 3. shelter/warmth, 4. fire,...Etc. you can bet a .22 will be with me as will other arms. Using a game cart for "extras" is a definate option.

[Old Syko]

Whether or not it is possible to survive staying where I am is only for the future to determine, but it is the choice I have made.  I just get so tired of the city dwellers and suburbanites always talking about leaving where they are to come to the country.  They're worried about what they need to take along to survive.  They made their choice to be where they are now, so good or bad, some of us are prepared to see to it they live or die with their choice.  I'm prepared to live or die with mine.

I'm planning on staying in place as well. If the time comes when I am forced to leave with the understanding that I won't be back, there will be a fire. I believe in scorched earth, I'm not prepping for others to enjoy, but for my family.

They say "you can't take it with you" which may be true, but if you leave a smokin hole in the ground you've come as close to winning as you could under the circumstances.  If your opponent is part of the smoke, so much the better.

[rockwool]

many great opinions, thank you all.
I live 7 miles from down town los angles. The dense population and the plentyful AHOLES means that odds of survival are lower . Cant sustain a crop in a city yard,
. So from my perspective it would be better to relocate to a more secluded place.
i would invest in a pair of  breeding rabbits. good source of meat.
More fishing equipment. wats a dozen poles with out tackle.

seems like my family has all the weapons and skills to survive.  its only a matter of thoughts before it may or may not come to having to survive on our own.

[SHOOTALL]

Better make friends before the SH's TF than after if you plan to relocate. Also better to be early in moving out or you will be just one of the mob. I would suggest that anyone in walking distance of a large number of people will have to deal with crowds/mobs. This is where community effort will be needed

[45-70.gov]

well  try to recall a few years  back
guns  were taken way  from   law abiding citizens
so  concealment  absolutely IS   A MUST


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Qx0cTze0M
can someone find out the name of the cop that  attacks this  old woman




this  video  is a must see
interviews  of people that were actually  in a SHTF situation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tta1qhQZWSE&feature=related
you  will not beleive this happend  in america!!!!!!!!!

[SHOOTALL]

45-70 you bring up a very important fact what people don't know you have they won't want to take. I would add unless dieing I would stay away from centers , any kind of help center or distrabution center . It would almost be a lead pipe cinch you will be ask if you are armed.

[45-70.gov]

when we have hurricanes  they  broadcast  restrictions  at the evacuation centers


NO PETS
NO WEAPONS
NO  ECT




WHAT TYPE OF PERSON  WOULD HEAD  OUT  INTO UNKNOWN PERRILL
 with their family  in tow......and  NO  means to protect them


this is what our country has come  to
to be  un-armed  is  EXPECTED  behavior

[Bugflipper]

For me, a suppressed 10-22. Plenty of 10 rnd rotary mags because they can be taken down and kept serviceable. Some bananna mags that could be tossed if/when they become useless. 60 gr sss ammo(24" penetration on ballistic gelatin at 100 yards).
An hk93. Nice positive cycling, accurate and dependable. Would not carry a pistol, but since this is the ccw forum, will throw a glock 23 in there. That's my duty pistol so am accurate with it. Just not a big pistol fan when a rifle can do just about everything better besides hide. 

[Savage]

Without a practical plan and the means to execute it, few of us will last a week in a real event. With the majority of the purposed loadouts in this thread, most will be limited to decent roads and a truck to haul all the gear. Better plan on getting to your chosen site with whatever fuel you have on hand at any given time as well. If anyone is giving serious thought to a possible bugout, ideally they should be associated with a group of like minded persons, and have a place chosen and stocked with necessities to meet at. A group of such persons would have a much better chance of survival than alone.
Savage

[williamlayton]

Ihave been involved in one bugout---never again. My chances are better staying where I am.
I don't have to pack and I don't have to deal with all the people who don't understand ordely retreat. If I have to leave I will do it in the aftermath--if possible. Might be able to pick up some supplies along the way--scavage.
I think there will be some folks left---certainly no law--but there won't be on the bugout.
I/ we survive, we survive.
Blessings

[Dee]

There ya go William. See? Sometimes we agree. Run to where, and from what? Stay put, and avoid being trampled in the stampede.
Kinda like someone yellin fire in the theater. Set and watch the show till the commotion dies down, and then exit over the bodies.

[Savage]

I've got a semi reliable (But Well Armed) neighbor on my left flank, a lake on my right and to the rear.  I realize the lake is not a real obstacle, but it does limit access somewhat. I have enough of everything I need to survive unassisted for a reasonable amount of time. Noting about my place makes it look like a good place to loot.  I didn't get here by accident, A little planning, and a lot of good fortune were involved.  I'll leave here when they carry me out.
Savage

[S.S.]

Plan ahead for a bug-out long before it happens.
Have things stashed in strategic places so you can re-supply
without having to carry a bunch of stuff. I am one that will prefer to
stay put but there are many situations that may not allow this.
It honestly will not be possible to carry enough on ones person to
survive for long without re-supply.

[Dee]

I agree S.S. and I plan on stayin put for as long as possible, or until death do I part. I just checked my laser at 150 yards about 30 minutes ago, and it is dead on. I have a few tricks for self-sustainability.

[Old Syko]

I agree S.S. and I plan on stayin put for as long as possible, or until death do I part. I just checked my laser at 150 yards about 30 minutes ago, and it is dead on. I have a few tricks for self-sustainability.

This is me!  Again, I AIN'T LEAVIN!  I've never run from anything in my life.  As a matter of fact, I tend to take things square on and let the chips fall where they may.  I have determined a perimeter and know who I can trust around that perimeter and who will be immediately dealt with.  No matter the situation, I'm drawing a line in the sand and facing whatever may come. 


I just can't understand running unless it is to run TO something.  In a SHTF situation everyone talks about running away.  If you're running away survival will be short.

[WD45]

ole syko, I tend to be a stand my ground person too.. But sometimes it depends on just whats comin