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Re: Educated opinions on a SHTF load out
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2011, 09:05:02 PM »
some of us would be forced to leave. dont count on being permanent. unless you kno for sure you can hold up for a long time. food water supplies...
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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2011, 01:15:59 AM »
some of us would be forced to leave. dont count on being permanent. unless you kno for sure you can hold up for a long time. food water supplies...


Rockwool the point you need to understand is, if you feel this way then NOW is the time to move rather than waiting until you're forced to. At that point you will have already lost.  I couldn't live somewhere I wasn't comfortable in defending and felt supported my long range goals.  If you wait to move you'll likely find yourself imposing on someone else's established territory and they like myself may be prepared to defend it.  Inaction is certain failure.


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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2011, 08:42:35 AM »
that would take alot of cash to do for some folks.
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2011, 12:13:04 PM »
that would take alot of cash to do for some folks.


Doesn't change a thing.  I can't save the world when I'm trying to save my family.

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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2011, 03:08:41 PM »
To young to die but to old to run. I will stay put but don't try to get to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2011, 05:07:04 PM »
knowledge will be the main thing that will save you.
 there are many things I know how to create that I do not create
simply because it is against the law to do so. That said, in a SHTF situation,
the law will go out the window. Booby-Traps and home made "Claymores"
will do wonders in keeping one's things safe. Plan ahead, Know where things are at.
Local wells for water. Solar Lighting systems for recharging batteries.
propane storage tanks etc.
I live in the country and it is easy to prepare for a lot of things to feel safer,
but I am also well aware that many "City Dwellers" will be venturing out of
the city in search of supplies. I must make them think twice about taking mine.
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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2011, 06:19:00 PM »
Some country boys live in towns. But you still have to keep your roots watered. An ace up your sleave and the old homestead in tact is all ways a good thing to have. Like you said food water and a strong roof over you head and your back to the wall. Raised on a farm with the soil always fresh and tilled. You can live on concrete but still have a little safe haven to go to if times get rough. A pond full of fish. A garden planted and kept up no ferther than ten miles away and hunting within 5 . Plenty of guns and ammo and fishing gear helps too. Keep the pantry full.
 
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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2011, 08:09:54 AM »


Doesn't change a thing.  I can't save the world when I'm trying to save my family.

 
no , the move would cost alot more than some have
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2011, 06:00:51 PM »
it would be safer to use a tribal system. with families. prepare long term for stability might be a LOOONNGGG way out if things ever did go wrong
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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2011, 07:38:07 AM »
Good read here...go to this website, has a lot of this info on there and local chapters as well. Don't be fooled by the name, it is a preparedness orginazation, check it out...
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« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2011, 05:45:07 PM »
The one thing that will keep your mind on track to live is your imediate family. If they are safe and near the good lord will help. His guidance will put you through the hardest of times. BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR GUN JUST AS CLOSE AS THE BIBLE!! THE BIBLE TO SAVE YOUR SOUL AND YOUR GUN TO FEED AND PROTECT YOU LOVED ONES!!!!! Zacharoo

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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2011, 11:19:58 AM »
Given where I live I'm going to say that the AR and as much ammo as I can carry. As far as handguns go my P-239 is concealable which I would value over all else in a pistol and it is very accurate and reliable.


I don't envision masses at my door looking for plunder, but several would not be beyond my imagination. Fire power is a great advantage of an AR style rifle. Shotguns are far too heavy to be packing around, gun weight and especially ammo weight must be considered. I could be convinced to trade the P-239 for a suppressed .22 pistol, however they are illegal to own here in Mn.


Snares and traps and fishing gear are much better suited to providing table-fare. I would add a water purification system to my load and honestly that should probably get loaded before the guns.


I tend to keep the AR and 7 mags as well as a SP-2340 and 5 mags together in the rifle case most of the time. The P-239 is generally on my hip so it wouldn't take long to grab that and go. The camping / hunting gear is in a couple totes and drybags. Empty the pantry into a couple totes and I'm reasonably mobile and ready for whatever should come my way. The real thing I don't have a good solution for is motor fuel. I'm too danged lazy to stay on top of rotation. The best I do is rarely leave the vehicles under a 1/4 tank. One is generally full at all times, I'm just afraid when the balloon goes up it'll be the silly Mustang that is ready :-[
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« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2011, 01:17:30 AM »


Doesn't change a thing.  I can't save the world when I'm trying to save my family.

 
no , the move would cost alot more than some have

Also the move may be caused by a nuke or such .
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Re: Educated opinions on a SHTF load out
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2011, 05:26:41 PM »
Bugging in unless it goes long term and the food trucks stop rolling. Then I'd be loading up my cargo trailer and heading a little farther south to the gulf coast beaches.
Good fishing, RO my drinking water, clear sinuses, maybe a hammock. Plenty of material for sand bags to build a bullet absorbing hooch with too.   

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Re: Educated opinions on a SHTF load out
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2011, 03:26:44 PM »
Whether I'd stay, or run, just depends on the situation I'm faced with. In some cases you just might not have a choice one way or the other. If I did have to run I'll tell you this much. I've thousands of acres of forest to get lost in and my weapon of choice has not yet been mentioned. You can bet your life savings I'll have a bow! Quiet, lethal and I can make my own ammo! I could both defend and feed myself without advertising to the whole world every time I fired a shot!

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« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2012, 09:28:33 PM »
 Having never been through SHTF, I certainly can't claim having first hand knowledge of whats best.  I have no "bug out" bag, plan on being home when and if the balloon goes up.  With that, my stuff is geared toward getting me home were things to get bad.  My list is fluid, it changes depending whether I'm 20 miles away at work or several hundred while on vacation.  My minimum is a firearm, a couple MRE's and a half dozen bottles of water, this I have along even when going the ten miles to town for groceries. 

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Re: Educated opinions on a SHTF load out
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2012, 05:13:34 AM »
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this  video  is a must see
interviews  of people that were actually  in a SHTF situation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tta1qhQZWSE&feature=related
you  will not beleive this happend  in america!!!!!!!!!

Unfreakin' believable!  The liberal media decided that this was NOT an interest story!  This needs to go out nationwide, lawsuits filed, injustions issued, 2nd ammendment rights decided.  Lawabiding citizens appear to be easy targets.  Leaves me to wonder how many guns they took from thugs and gangbangers.....
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Re: Educated opinions on a SHTF load out
« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2012, 01:18:10 PM »
Interesting thread. I see it has been running a long time and doesn't want to die. I suppose that's no surprise as like the common "bear defense with handgun" thread they are rather open-ended by nature and for the most part something someone posts to when sucking on a beer (like I am right now).

Why am I posting? Well, the diverse responses are incredible. We've got one guy living 7 miles from downtown LA. We've clearly got a few living in rural areas on 50, 100 or more acres and they've been working their plan for years if not decades. I don't think it's too hard to see who will likely survive and who will not.

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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2012, 08:27:43 AM »
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this  video  is a must see
interviews  of people that were actually  in a SHTF situation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tta1qhQZWSE&feature=related
you  will not beleive this happend  in america!!!!!!!!!

Unfreakin' believable!  The liberal media decided that this was NOT an interest story!  This needs to go out nationwide, lawsuits filed, injustions issued, 2nd ammendment rights decided.  Lawabiding citizens appear to be easy targets.  Leaves me to wonder how many guns they took from thugs and gangbangers.....

The NRA was involved in a case with regard to this and won. There are rules in place now to stop this . One would have thought the 2nd amn would have prevented it . Some of the same thing went on in Fl.
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« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2012, 03:35:48 AM »
I have had my bug out bags for SHTF ready for years but reality today is a bit different.     Since my wife got cancer and had the surgery and treatments,  she will be on lifelong medicine.    I have told her to ask the doctor to write a 3 month supply of her meds so at least we would be ok for more than a month.   But the truth is she will have to be somewhere to have the meds replaced which aint out in the woods...   without the meds she would slowly lose brain function and slip into a coma.   So I still have my bug out plan for the woods but only short-term.    I have been working lately to make my castle a much harder target,  and training my two teenagers on the same.   
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« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2012, 06:51:00 AM »
I've thought about the SHTF scenario. What I have determined is that there are many different scenarios a person must think about.


A weather type scenario would favor grabbing and going. A person needs to have a destination in mind to help determine what needs grabbing. A 100 mile drive and staying at the inlaws is pretty easy. Traveling 500 miles and needing to camp in a national forest is a whole nuther ball game.


Economic disaster? Where exactly do you think you will out run the economy? Might as well stay home till things sorta shake out. A well stocked pantry, hoarded gold and silver, solid security and defense.


Armageddon? What was the line ? "even if you knew what was coming, you wouldn't know what to do". At this point I believe your brain will be your greatest asset. You must be willing and able to think on your feet and be able to improvise at every turn. Get your head straight and honestly critique your ability and work on weaknesses. An EMT will be invaluable, but if he can't figure out how to sanitize his drinking water he'll be useless as a corpse. By the same token a welder might be the most useful man in a community but if he can't figure out how to use a forge instead of a mig welder he's useless to the comunity. I would suggest everyone investigate some sort of 19th century homesteader type of skill and get both the skills and tools needed to prosper. Without modern agriculture there will be an immediate need for farm labor and farm knowledge. Gardening and canning, bee keeping, wine and beer making, butchering and curing meat.


Honestly assessing my situation, I need to figure a better way of surviving a winter in Mn. Come spring either haul my butt south or know the solution will be in place by fall. All kidding aside it gets dang cold up here. Without oil and electricity the simple fact is many, many would be dead in days during the bitterest part of winter.




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Re: Educated opinions on a SHTF load out
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2012, 08:32:58 AM »
I would suggest everyone investigate some sort of 19th century homesteader type of skill and get both the skills and tools needed to prosper. Without modern agriculture there will be an immediate need for farm labor and farm knowledge. Gardening and canning, bee keeping, wine and beer making, butchering and curing meat.
Sound wisdom, sage advice.   :)
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« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2012, 02:40:13 PM »
I think this thread got started to see who would chose what firearms for a worst case scenario, but then went viral into considerations of what might happen and how prepared we are.  Me, I ain't prepared at all for such stuff.  I've got no supplies stored away and no horde of ammunition or anything else.
I think we fool ourselves to believe survival is possible when the production of everything shuts down.  Some of us may be young enough and strong enough to do without modern medicines and doctors and cars and cleanliness, but still, you can't do so for as long as you might think.  Whatever we have saved underground or anywhere will soon be depleted.  Government functions will cease.  No police, no emergency services, no one to mend our broken bones. or come to our aid.  No one will even know we need aid.  No phones.  No computers.  No control over the reality of ever increasing vermon such as rats and roaches.  Money will be useless.  Your children and grandchildren will die from the slightest conditions that can be fixed now.  No hospitals.  The majority of the population will turn in upon itself and die.  You can't possibly hold out against total chaos.  Sure, the more you put back for such an emergency the longer you can live, maybe.  No antibiotics.  Nothing to do for the slight infections that will turn deadly.  No realistic preparation will keep you alive for very long.  Stay put or move, it makes no difference.  The gun(s) you have within reach will be insufficient; someone will have more and bigger guns.   
Back to the original point, if I had to live off an unpolluted landscape, I think I'd chose a rifle capable of taking food and taking out raiders at long range.  I would not consider a handgun.  Handguns are for those who cannot carry a rifle due to society's restraints.  When the rules of society expire, I want a rifle, or a shotgun.  Revolvers and pistols are popular now because they can be hidden.  We won't be interested in hiding weak weapons when the worst happens.  When the worst happens, all the guns and ego and big ideas we hold now will fall away even before death arrives to steal our loved ones.  We will degenerate into a filthy mire of trying to live off what someone else might have that we can take.  That's the reality of a failed society or a catastrophic failure from any other source.  The belief we can shoot our way out of it is fantasy at best.   

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« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2012, 07:52:56 PM »
I think this thread got started to see who would chose what firearms for a worst case scenario, but then went viral into considerations of what might happen and how prepared we are.  Me, I ain't prepared at all for such stuff.  I've got no supplies stored away and no horde of ammunition or anything else.
I think we fool ourselves to believe survival is possible when the production of everything shuts down.  Some of us may be young enough and strong enough to do without modern medicines and doctors and cars and cleanliness, but still, you can't do so for as long as you might think.  Whatever we have saved underground or anywhere will soon be depleted.  Government functions will cease.  No police, no emergency services, no one to mend our broken bones. or come to our aid.  No one will even know we need aid.  No phones.  No computers.  No control over the reality of ever increasing vermon such as rats and roaches.  Money will be useless.  Your children and grandchildren will die from the slightest conditions that can be fixed now.  No hospitals.  The majority of the population will turn in upon itself and die.  You can't possibly hold out against total chaos.  Sure, the more you put back for such an emergency the longer you can live, maybe.  No antibiotics.  Nothing to do for the slight infections that will turn deadly.  No realistic preparation will keep you alive for very long.  Stay put or move, it makes no difference.  The gun(s) you have within reach will be insufficient; someone will have more and bigger guns.   
Back to the original point, if I had to live off an unpolluted landscape, I think I'd chose a rifle capable of taking food and taking out raiders at long range.  I would not consider a handgun.  Handguns are for those who cannot carry a rifle due to society's restraints.  When the rules of society expire, I want a rifle, or a shotgun.  Revolvers and pistols are popular now because they can be hidden.  We won't be interested in hiding weak weapons when the worst happens.  When the worst happens, all the guns and ego and big ideas we hold now will fall away even before death arrives to steal our loved ones.  We will degenerate into a filthy mire of trying to live off what someone else might have that we can take.  That's the reality of a failed society or a catastrophic failure from any other source.  The belief we can shoot our way out of it is fantasy at best.   
Wow,  that was uplifting..... :o
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« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2012, 06:28:38 AM »
wild , if all that gloom and doom is true how on earth did the human race make it this far ? In reality as for medicine it would be much like before WW1 or 2 . as for govt services it would be like up until the 1950's in some places in the U.S. . There would be many who would fall apart and die, many would die from injury , fights would take many but those who remain and who prepared could and would survive in many cases. What a different story New Orleans could have been if folks were prepared and not of the idea that survival was not possible .
As for stores seed , tools etc are nessary . Again one has to want to live to survive as Govt. won't be handing out freebees any longer .
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« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2012, 04:12:35 PM »
My ancesters lived totaly off what  the Creater and Mother Earth provided. Lessons passed on to those of us willing to listen and learn. :)

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« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2012, 02:03:20 AM »
My ancesters lived totaly off what  the Creater and Mother Earth provided. Lessons passed on to those of us willing to listen and learn. :)

We/you still do ! We do process elements and raw materials more to more useful tools though.
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« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2012, 07:00:53 PM »
My ancesters lived totaly off what  the Creater and Mother Earth provided. Lessons passed on to those of us willing to listen and learn. :)

We/you still do ! We do process elements and raw materials more to more useful tools though.
When your survival is at stake what's useful and needed suddenly becomes way more obvious than just things you thought you might need or simply would like to have. ;) It's those that know the differance and can take advantage of things all around them that have the best odds of surviving. Being able to rely on yourself beats the heck out of having to rely on others. :)

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« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2012, 02:41:19 AM »
Spirithawk you hit the nail on the head ! Those who have spent a "ME" type lifestyle never learning skills or old ways only living for the moment will in many cases die in hours after a crisis hits. Those who can fish , farm and hunt ( critters and plants) will have a better chance. Those who have watched the crowd instead of being in the middle will know people and how to judge them as to being a threat or not. Some of us will know the signs that alert us to danger both woods wise or street wise be it a flock of birds taking off or a noise down the street that might signal a riot starting. Some folks can't be alone , then some know their God and never will.
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« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2012, 06:33:27 AM »
Spirithawk you hit the nail on the head ! Those who have spent a "ME" type lifestyle never learning skills or old ways only living for the moment will in many cases die in hours after a crisis hits. Those who can fish , farm and hunt ( critters and plants) will have a better chance. Those who have watched the crowd instead of being in the middle will know people and how to judge them as to being a threat or not. Some of us will know the signs that alert us to danger both woods wise or street wise be it a flock of birds taking off or a noise down the street that might signal a riot starting. Some folks can't be alone , then some know their God and never will.
Another good point Shootall. Always being aware of your surroundings is a greater deterant to danger than carrying a weapon. Combine the two and you just might survive. :) I'm concidered by those who know me to be a very good hunter. I'm always being asked what's my secret. I tell folks it's knowing what is normal and then being able to spot anything that isn't. :) That is not just a hunting skill but is also a survival skill and very much aplies to "street smarts" in any city or town as well as any place you might find yourself and situation you find yourself in.