Police beat a man to death, and DA sez: No Evidence LEO intended to kill him!

[yellowtail3]

[SHOOTALL]

Did the guy have aids and no one wanted to man handle him ?

[guzzijohn]

Aids or not, the cops probably got the guy's blood all over themselves from the beating.
GuzziJohn

[nw_hunter]

As I said in my first post: The cops may be guilty as hell. All the evidence isn't in yet. No one has gotten away with anything yet. How much clearer could that stance possibly be? How would you like being convicted before you were tried? That's what's happening here.
Now with that said, I will vacate this forum. No good will come from my repeating myself, and everyone can continue with their lynching, BEFORE the trial.

Lets try and get this thread back to topic! Let me say! Personally I don't think all police officers take advantage of the badge. I think the percentage that do is a small number, but I think the number appears to be growing.When you have a judge that determines no intent, then this man's family will not have their day in court.The Officers that carried out this obvious crime, will more than likely get a pass.It's not right! And If I were a police officer, I would be outraged by their actions.

I don't think anyone is trying to lynch these policemen! I think most would simple like to see them charged and tried in a court of law, by a jury. "Prob. won't happen"

When a person puts on a uniform, badge, and gun and takes the oath he has placed himself in the spotlight, and if they cannot perform the job in an honorable way, then he or she should be replaced by someone that can.

[Shu]

I have been following this since I live within four hours of Fullerton. No not all cops are thugs. There are a few that bring things down for everyone. The DA in this case said there was no intent to commit murder. That may or may not be true. The fact that 6 cops beat, hogtied tased and beat some more may not prove intent, but it sure does tell me something. It tells me even when the suspect submitted they kept beating him. He died pleading for help and the beating didn't stop. You can argue all you want about this. From reviewing the origianl video and reading the papers, I think any prosecutor or grade school kid could prove this was done with malice and that puts the charge at murder in the first degree in Cali.
Cali penal code 187 killing with malice or forethought.

[yellowtail3]

I have been following this since I live within four hours of Fullerton.

I was working in Irwindale, living in West Covina, until mid-June. If I were still there, I'd be at the marches.

The is simply no possibility of justice if these six cops all walk. ANY OF US would have been ARRESTED and then most likely charged, if we'd done this.

YouTube and the web generally have been very, very bad for corrupt cops and those with sense of entitlement to impunity.

[Shu]

YT3,
This case is a travesty at best. I am betting the DA won't prosecute and the feds won't step in becuase it is a white issue. Hate to say that but it is the truth. No one is rioting or burning anything down. After the Rodney King trial the fed stepped in rather quickly. I can see no real justice coming in this case.
The 6 just kept wialing on the man. Like I said he was hog tied and tased, they just kept beating. His last words were begging for his life and his dad. He wasn't attacking the cops.
 

[yellowtail3]

YT3...is it a possibilty that the 6 cops were actuallly moslems, at least during the beating phase.....
..TM7

No, nothing like that. They were Law Enforcement Officers, with a strong sense of entitlement to respect & impunity. We'll see how well-founded that sense of entitlement was.

[briarpatch]

They proved---- they were exempt from the norms and laws of society.

[Hooker]

The DA and all officers involved should be dragged kicking and screaming from their beds into the street and stuffed into a wood chipper while the TV cameras roll. If that were to happen there would be no need to ever do so again.

Pat

 
Fortunately this can't happen (yet?) or they would be doing it to us.

Are you even paying attention?
This man is dead because they already do this to us.

Pat

[Cabin4]

They are obama supporters. Need I say more.............

[jlwilliams]

A few years ago there was a mentally ill man beaten to death a few towns away from here.  It was widely reported that he died resisting arrest.  A couple of weeks later I was interviewing perspective tennants.  One guy I interviewed was looking for a house out of town.  As we were talking he told me that he lived about a hundred yards from where that happened and that was one reason he wanted to leave.  He said that what he heard and what the police said were completely different and he wasn't going to come forward publicly.  They had killed a man and he wanted no part in contradicting them on it out of fear.  This is not an isolated incident, it happens.  Most cops are good people but some are not.  Power corrupts and a police officer has power.

[Cabin4]

Thuggary from the Left/obama supporters is normal. Its in every segment of our country. The LEOs are over run with them because of the thug Union and thug Union mentality.

[yellowtail3]

Do you think these guys should get the chair...if allowed in Kali...?
Or do you think they will get wrist slapped and terminated...?

No, I don't think the cops should get the chair. I don't trust the state with the power to kill, even scoundrels.

I'm following this case. I'm surprised the DA is prosecuting. I pretty certain he would not be doing so, if it were not for tremendous public pressure, and the fact that the news about this case has been widely circulated.

Justice would have been done if Kelly Thomas had been armed & successfully defended himself against the officers who assaulted him. Kelly Thomas was slightly-built man, being assaulted by two jackboot thugs armed with firearms and tasers and - as Officer Ramos noted - fists, under color of authority/law.

[dukkillr]

I'm following this case. I'm surprised the DA is prosecuting. I pretty certain he would not be doing so, if it were not for tremendous public pressure, and the fact that the news about this case has been widely circulated.

Of course he wouldn't.  The only thing that can break the link between cops and DAs is a combination of active voters and media. 

[45-70.gov]

if an officer has a history of misconduct......


should those that retained him in that position be held criminally responsible ??


should the family or victim sue in civil those that retained an un-ruly officer in his job??

[MGMorden]

I'm following this case. I'm surprised the DA is prosecuting. I pretty certain he would not be doing so, if it were not for tremendous public pressure, and the fact that the news about this case has been widely circulated.

At least its going forward.  I had heard about this a good while back and had forgotten about it until I saw this thread.  Hopefully justice will be done.  I'm hoping they get the harshest punishment allowable under CA law.


Working for the county government I personally know quite a few sheriff's deputies, and the majority of the ones I know are perfectly normal good guys (heck a few of them even teach concealed weapons permit classes on the weekends, and though I don't know them the local town police station waved all charges to have my prints done when I mentioned that the cards were for a CWP), but every now and then you run into one that tends to give the rest a bad name.  They are just there for the power trip. 


The one thing that I do like about today's society is that nowadays 90% of people literally have a video camera (via their cell phones) in their pocket at all times.  Something like this goes down and there's video on the internet the next day.    Cops HATE this and have repeatedly tried to have local/state ordinances passed to ban/outlaw filming of police officers on duty (usually under wiretapping laws), but so far all attempts have been struck down.


We all need to keep an eye on cases like this and those that would limit our ability to record such acts for public review.

[yellowtail3]

The one thing that I do like about today's society is that nowadays 90% of people literally have a video camera (via their cell phones) in their pocket at all times.  Something like this goes down and there's video on the internet the next day.    Cops HATE this and have repeatedly tried to have local/state ordinances passed to ban/outlaw filming of police officers on duty (usually under wiretapping laws)...

Absolutely correct.

We all need to keep an eye on cases like this and those that would limit our ability to record such acts for public review.

+1

[coyotejoe]

I just saw on CNN that two officers have been charged. Manuel Ramos is charged with 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter with a possible sentence of up to 15 years. Jay Cininelli is charged with involuntary manslaughter and excessive use of force, max sentence of 4 years. No mention of the other officers but I think any cop who witnessed the beating and did nothing to stop it should at least be fired.

[huntducks]

Some of you need to do a little more research on Thomas, a long RAP sheet some for violent crimes he!! his own mother had a restraining order against him and a the father had little or no contact, I live in a city right by Fullerton.
 
That said lets the cops have there day in court before we build the gallows.

[yellowtail3]

Some of you need to do a little more research on Thomas

Why? What what would we learn, that would change the fact that he was beaten to death by police?

...a long RAP sheet some for violent crimes he!! his own mother had a restraining order against him and a the father had little or no contact, I live in a city right by Fullerton.

do you have any first-hand familiarity with the late Mr. Thomas, or with his mom or dad? Or anyone in his family? What insight can you share, other than saying Thomas had a rap sheet? (I think I might have one of those...)

[lgm270]

Some of you need to do a little more research on Thomas, a long RAP sheet some for violent crimes he!! his own mother had a restraining order against him and a the father had little or no contact, I live in a city right by Fullerton.
 
That said lets the cops have there day in court before we build the gallows.

It doesn't matter if he had a "rap" sheet.  IT is not the job of police to administer the death penalty.  And that's just what happened here. They murdered this man. 

[45-70.gov]

52  they know of

[Cabin4]

There certainly is no surprise here. As we continue to expand the powers of the government police state, add to that the thugs that run the LEO unions with the socialist agenda, we will get more of this.