Author Topic: Thanks conservatives, we just lost two excellent teachers to private industry (Read 3727 times)

guzzijohn · « **on:** August 26, 2011, 09:26:07 AM »

As the school year began one of my schools lost two excellent teachers. One of them probably one of the best teachers I have seen in my 22 years in the business and the other a very good teacher. Both left because of less hours and much better pay and benefits. One went to a pharmaceutical company and one to a refinery. The students are the losers.
GuzziJohn

Dee · « **Reply #1 on:** August 26, 2011, 09:40:52 AM »

LMAO! You mean they left for more money? How could that possibly be? ALL TEACHERS are dedicated to the students. They don't do it for the money. It's about the kids.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #2 on:** August 26, 2011, 10:11:39 AM »

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LMAO! You mean they left for more money? How could that possibly be? ALL TEACHERS are dedicated to the students. They don't do it for the money. It's about the kids.

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It is also about their own kids. Both teachers have young children. They wanted more time with their own kids and the extra money certainly doesn't hurt. I was talking with one of the assistant football coaches/teacher and due to heat schedules on practices, etc. his typical day starts at work at 6:00 am and ends at 9 pm.
GuzziJohn

Dee · « **Reply #3 on:** August 26, 2011, 10:14:35 AM »

LOL! So by what you just said, CONSERVATIVES had nothing to do with them leaving. They left for better pay, and better hours.

powderman · « **Reply #4 on:** August 26, 2011, 10:18:28 AM »

Quote from: Dee on August 26, 2011, 10:14:35 AM

LOL! So by what you just said, CONSERVATIVES had nothing to do with them leaving. They left for better pay, and better hours.

HEH, YEP. POWDERMAN.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #5 on:** August 26, 2011, 10:24:34 AM »

so junk the dept of ed and pay teachers more

Dee · « **Reply #6 on:** August 26, 2011, 10:27:44 AM »

SHOOTALL, guzzi says they also left for BETTER WORKING CONDITIONS AND HOURS. How is firing the Board of Education gonna help these poor dedicated souls? The CONSERVATIVE caused them to develope GREED, and MADE THEM LAZY.

HOW BOUT IT GUZZI. WHERE DOES THE CONSERVATIVE ACTUALLY FIT IN HERE?.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #7 on:** August 26, 2011, 10:29:53 AM »

Conservatives as a whole do not want to pay for additional teacher pay, that is why they left because of conservatives. Shootall at least gave a reasonable suggestion.
GuzziJohn

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #8 on:** August 26, 2011, 10:30:29 AM »

Sorry Dee I had a democratic moment !

Dee · « **Reply #9 on:** August 26, 2011, 10:44:04 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on August 26, 2011, 10:11:39 AM

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It is also about their own kids. Both teachers have young children. They wanted more time with their own kids and the extra money certainly doesn't hurt. I was talking with one of the assistant football coaches/teacher and due to heat schedules on practices, etc. his typical day starts at work at 6:00 am and ends at 9 pm.
GuzziJohn

Well now wait a minute guzzi. You can't have it both ways just because your a union liberal. First you said Conservatives caused it. Then you said they actually wanted more time with their own familise, and teaching was prohibitive of this time. You also said one teacher was tired of the work schedule due to the weather, and long hours.
Are you now saying, that if they were paid more money, it would be incentive to spend less time with their own families, and ignore the heat, and long hours. Sounds to me like they found a "better job", with "better pay", and "better hours". My gosh! They sound almost like they were trying to "better themselves"! Teacher are martrs. How can that be?
This has to be one of the silliest liberal argument to date. The liberal is contradicting himself. Wait a minute! This is a NORMAL liberal argument.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #10 on:** August 26, 2011, 11:10:39 AM »

teachers get about 18 weeks of paid vacation every year.
they may wish they were back in school.

DDZ · « **Reply #11 on:** August 26, 2011, 11:14:16 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on August 26, 2011, 10:29:53 AM

Conservatives as a whole do not want to pay for additional teacher pay, that is why they left because of conservatives. Shootall at least gave a reasonable suggestion.
GuzziJohn

No Guzzi, conservatives have no problem compensating good teachers. Its the stupid liberal pro union mentality that thinks all teachers should be payed the same no matter what kind of job they perform. If it were not for the unions mandating this stupid policy, the good teachers would be making more than they do now, and the poor performers would be the ones looking for another job. If schools were privately owned good teachers would be at a premium, and they would be compensated well, so they wouldn't leave. Under union rules, no matter what kind of job you do everyone gets the same. So you can thank the unions for good teachers leaving and getting other work. Under a union there is not one iota of incentive to do a better job than your fellow coworker. It doesn't have one thing to do with conservatives taking their money and benefits.
Try forgetting about the liberal, union ideology for once and look at it with some common sense involved.

Dee · « **Reply #12 on:** August 26, 2011, 11:26:19 AM »

Here-Here DDZ. Let's be fair to these two teachers, that left teaching for, better working conditions, better pay, and better hours. They only made these sacrifices because the Conservative forced them into it.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #13 on:** August 26, 2011, 11:29:36 AM »

Quote from Dee:
Well now wait a minute guzzi. You can't have it both ways just because your a union liberal. First you said Conservatives caused it. Then you said they actually wanted more time with their own familise, and teaching was prohibitive of this time. You also said one teacher was tired of the work schedule due to the weather, and long hours.Are you now saying, that if they were paid more money, it would be incentive to spend less time with their own families, and ignore the heat, and long hours. Sounds to me like they found a "better job", with "better pay", and "better hours". My gosh! They sound almost like they were trying to "better themselves"! Teacher are martrs. How can that be?

This has to be one of the silliest liberal argument to date. The liberal is contradicting himself. Wait a minute! This is a NORMAL liberal argument.

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First as I have mentioned many times before, I DO NOT BELONG TO ANY UNION!!!!!!!!!!
Second, due to poor teacher pay, especially for young teachers, many feel they have to coach or be other sponsors to have livable wage. If these two teachers could have made decent money without the coaching hours they would still be teaching. Others like to coach and would do it other than for the extra income. That is their choice.
GuzziJohn

jimster · « **Reply #14 on:** August 26, 2011, 11:30:31 AM »

My wife is switching jobs for a better deal for herself, and more time with me...so what's the problem again?
Anyway, wouldn't this leave an opening for another teacher?

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Conservatives as a whole do not want to pay for additional teacher pay, that is why they left because of conservatives. Shootall at least gave a reasonable suggestion.

Sounds like they are conservatives. Heard a real neat radio show the other day, the host was taking calls from liberals and asking them really good questions on family, savings, budgets, and questions on how they live their lives, turned out 99 percent of the liberal callers were living like conservatives and didn't realize it. Some people think they are liberal, hate the word conservative....but they live their lives EXACTLY like conservatives, sounds like these people are conservative to me...they prolly are stuck in "Dem party" mode if they think they are not conservative. It's a common sickness. Anyways, if they are pursuing better opportunity elsewhere, and want more times with their families it's all good conservative stuff. Plus they will be generating real money in the private sector...it won't take tax money to hold them up, they will now be able to hold up the other teachers with private sector money, since the private sector has been shrinking while government has been growing, this sounds like a wee bit of good news for everyone.

powderman · « **Reply #15 on:** August 26, 2011, 11:31:46 AM »

This has to be one of the silliest liberal argument to date. The liberal is contradicting himself. Wait a minute! This is a NORMAL liberal argument. HEH, gotta be right at the top of the silliest. POWDERMAN.

Dorado · « **Reply #16 on:** August 26, 2011, 11:34:03 AM »

Quote from: DDZ on August 26, 2011, 11:14:16 AM

Quote from: guzzijohn on August 26, 2011, 10:29:53 AM
Conservatives as a whole do not want to pay for additional teacher pay, that is why they left because of conservatives. Shootall at least gave a reasonable suggestion.
GuzziJohn

No Guzzi, conservatives have no problem compensating good teachers. Its the stupid liberal pro union mentality that thinks all teachers should be payed the same no matter what kind of job they perform. If it were not for the unions mandating this stupid policy, the good teachers would be making more than they do now, and the poor performers would be the ones looking for another job. If schools were privately owned good teachers would be at a premium, and they would be compensated well, so they wouldn't leave. Under union rules, no matter what kind of job you do everyone gets the same. So you can thank the unions for good teachers leaving and getting other work. Under a union there is not one iota of incentive to do a better job than your fellow coworker. It doesn't have one thing to do with conservatives taking their money and benefits.
Try forgetting about the liberal, union ideology for once and look at it with some common sense involved.

Thanks, could not have said it better myself, I agree

guzzijohn · « **Reply #17 on:** August 26, 2011, 12:54:07 PM »

Seriously folks I would like this explained to me. I don't belong to a union but there seems to be much more bashing of public sector job unions than private, why? For example the refinery where the one teacher went is unionized, so are all the aircraft plants in Wichita. Is it just a taxpayer supported thing over private industry or what? This may be a thread drift but hey I started the thread. I will also say that I would not have a problem with education being all private as long as they have serve all students as the public schools are required to do. Lastly, if all schools were private do you not think there would not be any teacher unions?
GuzziJohn

jimster · « **Reply #18 on:** August 26, 2011, 01:20:54 PM »

Well I don't have the problem with a private company with a union in there, I don't hold those up with my tax money so anything that happens financially is the companies problem and the folks that work there...up to them. If the place falls flat the union moves it's offices to the next place it's not affecting me personally. Public unions for me is a different story, they are using my tax money, so it's a different deal for me. Exception of course would be government motors... now there was a private company with a union I was forced to hold up with my tax money...but that's a different story. So I guess it boils down to who's money, and then are they running in the red or black? Do we even have any money left for taxes let alone to give everyone what they demand? ...and that neat stuff. It's all a cycle really...when the tax payers run out of money and most of them are all laid off, the next step of course is laying off government workers, or any place that has to have tax money to survive. It's a natural thing really...nobody wants to be out of work, but it's kind of impossible for the private sector to take a big hit and not have anyone in the public sector feel anything at all...eventually...they will feel it too, they always do, and there is always going to be people screaming when tax money is less. Just the way it is I think. Will there always be unions? Maybe depends on if it's mandatory or not...unions might shrink some if there was a choice...but it's up to the unions to prove their worth to the people they represent, and not everyone likes the idea they send their money to political parties. I have talked to people who are in a union who hate the things the union does with their money, but they are stuck with it. I personally got nothing against unions in the private sector, not my business, but where my money goes and how much of it goes into the public place, is all my business...I'm paying for that. My opinion...and I like teachers, nothing to do with that at all, I will always remember a couple of my teachers even at this old age.

Shu · « **Reply #19 on:** August 26, 2011, 01:35:18 PM »

I don't see how conservatives made these teachers do anything. The OP hasn't stated how or at least I haven't seen it.
Teachers in Cali make some decent pay, I don'tknow about other states. My question would be if they left for better conditions, more pay and shorter hours, how did a conservative have anything to do with this?
I am a conservative, I had nothing to do with it. I know plenty of teachers who are very happy about teaching and enjoy it alot. They enjoy those summers of also.

So please explain with some type of rational explanation how the conservatives got rid of these two. Did they force them out with a threat of violence? Did they force them out with some embarassing information? I'll bet this again is Bush's fault.

dorothy daily · « **Reply #20 on:** August 26, 2011, 01:50:26 PM »

where do you suggest we find the money? how much higher taxes are you willing to pay for these teachers? same for firemen and police. we can do as we have been and just print more and then the ones who are getting this education can figure out how to pay it back. i am sure there are any number of programs that are pork, both liberal and conservative congress people do it, so pick the one you will do without and get that for better teacher pay.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 26, 2011, 02:16:01 PM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on August 26, 2011, 09:26:07 AM

As the school year began one of my schools lost two excellent teachers. One of them probably one of the best teachers I have seen in my 22 years in the business and the other a very good teacher. Both left because of less hours and much better pay and benefits. One went to a pharmaceutical company and one to a refinery. The students are the losers.
GuzziJohn

I quess you have to conclude that these so called excellant teachers really put thier wallets ahead of the kids............
OR,
Thats what we get for letting the liberal democrats screw over all the state budgets so bad that these excellant teachers had to find a better living....

Not sure which one applies.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #22 on:** August 26, 2011, 04:04:23 PM »

Four years of college and eleven years of experience in ag industry here. Guess what, as much as I enjoyed what I was doing and no matter how well served my customers were, the job did not pay enough to raise a family and enjoy a weekend away from home once a year.

I had to find a job that could pay the bills. Not once was my grocery purchase subject to a multiplier to equalize the bill based on how happy I was with my career.

So here I stand, I'm EQ I drive a truck for a living.

I threw away a career in my chosen field to feed my family and enjoy life, not work.

It'll be alright.

nomosendero · « **Reply #23 on:** August 26, 2011, 04:31:37 PM »

Guzzi would really be upset if he knew how many sharp people bypassed teaching altogether
in order to have a better career!

Dee · « **Reply #24 on:** August 26, 2011, 04:32:43 PM »

Well EQ, welcome to the road. I done 20 years in L.E., sold some real estate, and then went to truckin. I don't like it, but at my age, it's a livin.

mauser98us · « **Reply #25 on:** August 26, 2011, 05:35:50 PM »

Welcome to the real world.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 26, 2011, 06:31:07 PM »

They left because they were sick of working for a bunch of anti American parasites in the teachers union. Sick of performing but being held back with the drugged out socialist parasites that do not perform as teachers.

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 26, 2011, 08:14:59 PM »

Guzzojohn,

If it makes you feel better, you're welcome. Teachers now have the worSt work enviroent ever. This is due to the teacher unions. They have successfully degraded academic standards to the point of idiocy. The kids in schools today largely cannot read at grade level, or speak proper English. Teachers leaving to go to the private sector are looking after themselves. After all, liberals and the unions won't.

ST762

Doug B. · « **Reply #28 on:** August 27, 2011, 02:39:22 AM »

Go ahead and bash teachers and unions all you want. Wisconsin's schools and students, as of right now, are some of the highest rated in the nation. We are already seeing mass retirements and those in school for careers in education are changing their majors. If this state continues it's policy relating to education, I will guarantee many of you will be griping, and perhaps singing a whole different tune! I give it about 2-3 years and this state will not have qualified teachers. State requirements for educators will slide and ultimately who will lose? Our children and grandchildren.

I do not like politics, I don't practice partisan politics, and NO WAY do I feel politics should be involved when it effects my kids education and theirs that follow. IT IS NOT FAIR!

What has happened in Wisconsin I see as a tragedy.

nomosendero · « **Reply #29 on:** August 27, 2011, 05:54:37 AM »

Texas like China, interesting! $:-\$ Kinda retarded remark, but novel.