Critical Mass: "Last Man Out" Makes Shocking 9/11 Disclosures

[Lost Farmboy]

Like it or not, Polls indicate in fact, that most Americans do not buy the Official Conspiracy Theory 100%.

 
So what.  There are few things in life that people believe 100%.  I guess you're just going to ignore my last post about Zogby (after YOU brought it up).  The fact is that most Americans do not believe in the wildeyed theories that you keep espousing.

 
They are not wildeyed theories, there is a lot of physical evidence to support them.

[Lost Farmboy]

Zogby grew up in Utica, New York, the son of Lebanese immigrants. His brother, James Zogby, is the founder of the Arab American Institute, and is also employed by Zogby International.
 
 

• Zogby, John (1990). Arab America Today: A Demographic Profile of Arab Americans (First edition ed.). Washington, D.C.: Arab American Institute. OCLC 24357334.
• Zogby, John (2006). Iran versus America? (First edition ed.). Utica, NY: Zogby International. OCLC 71340360.
• Zogby, John (2008). The Way We'll Be: The Zogby Report on the Transformation of the American Dream (First edition ed.). New York: Random House. ISBN 9781400064502.

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And some facts are missing, too. I think C4 inadvertantly left out the part where The ZOGBYs are Lebanese Catholics from his wikipedia paste..........Lot of Americans come from lebanon...Lot of people are arab Jews, Christians, or Moslems....In this case the Zogby's are Catholic....doesn't mean they can't run polls, etc......you are the only one I've heard voice a complaint...

And good for them running a few polls on the Iranian questions...kudos to them.
 
..TM7

 
Looks like C4 tried to paint Zogby with an Arab Muslim brush to prove a point. If he also read that Zogby was Catholic that would be deception, would it not?


Zogby is a creditable pollster with a proven track record. Zogby came up with a scientific poll that disagrees with preconceived ideas and some here attacked the messenger, with slander. Why not find evidence to prove him wrong instead?

[Lost Farmboy]

Oh!...    Because according to the American Institute of Architects there are 83,500 registered architects of 'all types'

 
Oh!....     Because according to the US Census Bureau there are 233,000 architects in this country.
 
 
Now, according to Wikilpedia, regarding "Architects for 9-11 Truth":
 

  As of March 2011, the group's petition to Congress was signed by nearly 1,500 architectural and engineering professionals. The mainstream scientific and engineering community has generally rejected the position taken by the group.

 
Now, as to engineers in the US, there are 2,495,000 of those.
 
 
So, we have a total of "nearly 1,500 architectural and engineering professionals" who have signed the petition, out of a total of 2,728,000 architects and engineers in this country.  According to my math, that is .055% or just over 1/2 of 1/10th of one percent.  Sounds like considerably less than 1/10th of one percent to me.

 
Your math is pretty bad.


For your theory to work first you assume every one of the 2.728,000 engineers heard of building 7. I doubt you could find 5% of them heard of building 7. Then you have to assume every one of the 2,728,000 did some research of the collapse of building 7. Then you have to assume these engineers that never heard of building 7 and never did any research decided that building 7 fell from fires alone.


You are not comparing apples to oranges. You are calling oranges, grapes, pears, plums and every fruit in California apples.

[Lost Farmboy]

Lost farmboy
 
Apparently you have already forgotten that you complained about the the amount of information I posted on the subject claiming (wrongly by the way) I could not have reseached that amount of material in so short of time when in fact I started researching this stuff long before you became involved with the forum.. I find nothing about the events that occured on 9/11 funny. What I and others like me find funny is that no matter how much information we post from credible sources it is always "disinfo" or "a goverment coverup site".
 
That being said you need to choose your words more carefully. A difference of opinion does not justify certain things.
 
CR

 
I have not forgot.


I see you posting a lot of info presenting your side. I don't see that from the bigfoot and crowd. I'm glad you don’t find the events of 911 humorous apparently some do.


I don't see you posting why you are convinced the evidence you post is true. Most of the stuff you are things I spent a lot of time researching and found to be inconclusive. By inconclusive I mean it doesn't prove things one way or the other. Many times it's because important details I have seen other places are missing.


I consider carefully the testimonies of those that were there and saw what happened. I have seen some here say witnesses don't know what they are talking about. Testimonies like Tm7 posted about William Rodriguez. Testimonies that say explosions happened before the planes hit. The guy looking for a way out of 1 of the towers and found dead bodies in closets. The last guy out of building 7 that saw a lot of dead bodies on the floor and had to step over them. The people that saw and recorded the count down for the controlled demolition of building 7. The reporters that stood in front of building 7 claiming it fell. The firemen that saw molten steel running like in foundries. The news reports that stopped the cleanup months later.


The stuff you posted about termite is missing important information and does not explain an alternative explanation for the pools of molten metal.


I asked you several times to post why the firemen knew the exact second building 7 would fall. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 building 7 falls. Is this a smoking gun or what? Can you find an explanation that is not a controlled demolition? I am waiting.


What about the picture of the pentagon taken before the front collapsed? The picture shows a small hole. Much smaller than a 757, surrounded by unbroken windows. To me these things are conclusive.

[kinslayer1965]

 
 
Lost Farmboy,
 
Is this the picture you are asking about?
 

 
or maybe this one??? If these are not the photos in question then post the ones that you have issues with.
 
Still not going to admit it was wrong to use the word "ignorance" are you....not surprising.

[Casull]

Your math is pretty bad.


For your theory to work first you assume every one of the 2.728,000 engineers heard of building 7.

 
Lost farmboy, my math is spot on (apparently you don't understand numbers either).  As far as my "theory", I did NOT espouse any theory, just an observation and a mathematical calculation.  So, twist it any way you want, but when tm talks about architects not believing the results of the 911 investigation, it helps to paint a more accurate picture when we know how few of them follow that disbelief.   

[SHOOTALL]

If you know construction you know engineers not architects would know more about the strength of the building.
 I for one wonder where all the pipe and wire went ? When you bring down a building often as much pipe , conduit etc. is removed first . The copper alone should have been worth the salvage operation to reclaim it .

[Lost Farmboy]

  No kinslayer those pictures are of the inner wall of the C ring. They are a whole new mystery. At first all I could think of that may have made this hole from a 757 would be an engine. That is not really possible because there would have to be substantial parts of an engine outside the hole. The official theory says jet fuel moving at 600 mph ignited and cut the hole like a torch. Some think the hole was a bunker buster missile that hit the Pentagon instead of a 757. There is a big problem with all three theories. If this hole came form a 757 or missile hitting the outer wall of the E ring, it had to pass though two walls of the D ring without causing any damage. That would be putting the magic bullet theory on super steroids. Most likely this hole was caused by one of the bombs, reported by Pentagon employees, exploding before anything hit the outer wall of the E ring.


This article shows pictures taken before the front collapsed. There are not many because the front collapsed 20 minutes after the original explosions. There were early news reports on youtube showing the Pentagon before the front collapsed, but they have been removed from youtube.


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_90.htm

[SHOOTALL]

I know some here and elsewhere like to think our govt. was responsible , I would like to think not. I do wonder if much info was not published in an effort to not give basic instruction in how to take down more buildings . I don't know if that is true but it would make sense.