Author Topic: Critical Mass: "Last Man Out" Makes Shocking 9/11 Disclosures (Read 5827 times)

Casull · « **Reply #30 on:** September 07, 2011, 05:48:04 AM »

Hmmm, ask a question and then decide you don't like the answer? Call it disinfo. LOL It's like dealing with a child.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #31 on:** September 07, 2011, 06:07:40 AM »

maybe we are no one knows what post on the net

kinslayer1965 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 07, 2011, 06:28:00 AM »

Casull,

Please tell me it is not so....you posted the very information someone requested .....then that person called your information "disinfo"...

Wow and I thought that only happened to me.

CR

Cabin4 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 07, 2011, 06:52:02 AM »

Who says one of these large planes cannot fly at top speed at this low altitude?

kinslayer1965 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 07, 2011, 09:28:53 AM »

Casull · « **Reply #35 on:** September 07, 2011, 09:43:18 AM »

No apologies necessary, Kinslayer1965. I just watched a video of a French pilot flying a 707 in excess of 300 knots at a level altitude of about 20 feet at an airshow. Yet the tinfoilers will say it's not possible. They will point to statements that the speeds in question are "not safe" or "not within design parameters". That may be true, but to one who is intending to crash the airliner anyway, what difference does it make? Any info that doesn't fit their conspiracy theories is just "disinfo".

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #36 on:** September 07, 2011, 10:47:51 AM »

about 375
A while back TM-7 when I stated my nephew saw the second plane hit the building you if I remember correctly said it didn't happen . Is this the plane that didn't happen now going 375 mph ?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #37 on:** September 07, 2011, 11:04:57 AM »

Don't know what he heard , like I ask did any stations that record earthquakes register at the time ?

Cabin4 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 07, 2011, 11:27:15 AM »

Zogby grew up in Utica, New York, the son of Lebanese immigrants. His brother, James Zogby, is the founder of the Arab American Institute, and is also employed by Zogby International.

Zogby, John (1990). Arab America Today: A Demographic Profile of Arab Americans (First edition ed.). Washington, D.C.: Arab American Institute. OCLC 24357334.
Zogby, John (2006). Iran versus America? (First edition ed.). Utica, NY: Zogby International. OCLC 71340360.
Zogby, John (2008). The Way We'll Be: The Zogby Report on the Transformation of the American Dream (First edition ed.). New York: Random House. ISBN 9781400064502.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #39 on:** September 07, 2011, 11:42:50 AM »

Those darn facts keep popping up don't they cabin!

Cabin4 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 07, 2011, 12:41:00 PM »

There you go again TM, putting words in my mouth. I never said Zogby was not a Catholic!

I said he was a moslim sympathizer! His brother is the "FOUNDER" the Arab American Institute! and his right hand man at Zogy Polling.

The guy is a moslim sympathizer. How many Catholics do you know would start an Arab foundation like this? He also writes for the neo liberal left wing dogmatic Huffington Post.

1marty · « **Reply #41 on:** September 07, 2011, 04:35:09 PM »

Yes of course the Big Foot connection was the one facet that now ties everything togeather in a logical package-thank you very much. I must call Professor Humperdink at Harvard and advise him. Of course like other conspiracy advocates the rest home only allows us one call a day.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #42 on:** September 08, 2011, 12:55:30 AM »

Kinslayer maybe I am pointing out that most of you truth scoffers have nothing to offer but wise cracks and jokes. Us conspiracy investigators and truthers consider vast amounts of evidence. Look at all the evidence as a whole. Then form conclusions based on evidence not jokes or humor. The truth is often times hard to find.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #43 on:** September 08, 2011, 02:46:08 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on September 08, 2011, 02:42:32 AM

Quote from: Cabin4 on September 07, 2011, 12:41:00 PM
There you go again TM, putting words in my mouth. I never said Zogby was not a Catholic!

I said he was a moslim sympathizer! His brother is the "FOUNDER" the Arab American Institute! and his right hand man at Zogy Polling.

The guy is a moslim sympathizer. How many Catholics do you know would start an Arab foundation like this? He also writes for the neo liberal left wing dogmatic Huffington Post.

I said you inadvertantly forgot to mention that the family was Lebanese Catholics in your wiki paste...I also said that arabs are jews, christians, moslems, and other faiths, you ignore this in your vitriol aimed at the Zogbys....you seem to think that the Arab American Institute is inherently evil and strictly moslem...at least in your mind and playing to the audience here...Of course, you're wrong. And so what if Huffington buys some of his articles?? Big Deal. Fact is the AAI has been around since 1985 and is considered very important in arab-american community for the most part, and by the US Census Bureau as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_American_Institute

As far as I'm concerned we can use a whole lot more arab to american communicvation channels. You're groping at straws on this one,,,xenophobicly trying to trash Zogby to undermine the research regarding NYCity 911 believablity factor...which states the majority of NYCity residents don't buy the OCTheory, as likewise most Americans don't buy the OCTheory 100% as well. Buying the Official Conspiracy Theory 100% seems to be a trait of far right self styled conservatives, who as a group tend to be a bit myoptic...that is when they're not opining how the BHO governmnet is lieing and operating conspiracies like 'Fast and Furious".

The fact is that most NYCity residents, an most Americans (an people around the world), don't buy the OCTheory 100% and this is just a fact of life.

...TM7

TM we did a little poll here a few months back and your statement of most do not believe the 9/11 theory does not hold water.

kinslayer1965 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 08, 2011, 04:44:10 AM »

Lost farmboy

Apparently you have already forgotten that you complained about the the amount of information I posted on the subject claiming (wrongly by the way) I could not have reseached that amount of material in so short of time when in fact I started researching this stuff long before you became involved with the forum.. I find nothing about the events that occured on 9/11 funny. What I and others like me find funny is that no matter how much information we post from credible sources it is always "disinfo" or "a goverment coverup site".

That being said you need to choose your words more carefully. A difference of opinion does not justify certain things.

CR

Cabin4 · « **Reply #45 on:** September 08, 2011, 05:30:02 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on September 08, 2011, 02:42:32 AM

Quote from: Cabin4 on September 07, 2011, 12:41:00 PM
There you go again TM, putting words in my mouth. I never said Zogby was not a Catholic!

I said he was a moslim sympathizer! His brother is the "FOUNDER" the Arab American Institute! and his right hand man at Zogy Polling.

The guy is a moslim sympathizer. How many Catholics do you know would start an Arab foundation like this? He also writes for the neo liberal left wing dogmatic Huffington Post.

I said you inadvertantly forgot to mention that the family was Lebanese Catholics in your wiki paste...I also said that arabs are jews, christians, moslems, and other faiths, you ignore this in your vitriol aimed at the Zogbys....you seem to think that the Arab American Institute is inherently evil and strictly moslem...at least in your mind and playing to the audience here...Of course, you're wrong. And so what if Huffington buys some of his articles?? Big Deal. Fact is the AAI has been around since 1985 and is considered very important in arab-american community for the most part, and by the US Census Bureau as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_American_Institute

As far as I'm concerned we can use a whole lot more arab to american communicvation channels. You're groping at straws on this one,,,xenophobicly trying to trash Zogby to undermine the research regarding NYCity 911 believablity factor...which states the majority of NYCity residents don't buy the OCTheory, as likewise most Americans don't buy the OCTheory 100% as well. Buying the Official Conspiracy Theory 100% seems to be a trait of far right self styled conservatives, who as a group tend to be a bit myoptic...that is when they're not opining how the BHO governmnet is lieing and operating conspiracies like 'Fast and Furious".

The fact is that most NYCity residents, an most Americans (an people around the world), don't buy the OCTheory 100% and this is just a fact of life.

...TM7

Whats this "I inadvertantly left out that Zogby was a Catholic" ? Your off your rocker TM. I did not bring Zogby into this discussion, you did. Your the one "leaving things" out. You purposly left out the fact that his brother is the founder of the Arab American Institute and his right hand man at Zogby Polling.

Your just trying to blame me for your mistakes and blind high regard for Zogby.

Casull · « **Reply #46 on:** September 08, 2011, 07:47:32 AM »

As to all this nonsense about the majority of Americans or New Yorkers believing the tripe coming from the so-called "truthers", some might find this bit of info from Zogby quite interesting:

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The latest Zogby poll asks if they believe the Government "Made it happen". As I suspected, only 4.2% agreed with this statement. 26.5 said they thought the government "Let it happen"; though there is not one memo or person on the inside of such a plot who has come out as evidence of this.
An Opinion Dynamics Corporation poll says 34 percent of Americans believe in ghosts, 34% believe in UFO's, and 24% believe in witches. Yet only 4.2% believe Bush blew up the towers...
The so called "truth movement" is being very dishonest when they claim the zogby poll shows that people support an investigation into why the towers collapsed. Maybe we should spend millions investigating Area 59 first?

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #47 on:** September 08, 2011, 06:42:58 PM »

Sorry to have to post this, I just couldn't bear to read any more of the cow manure, being shoveled here by certain people.
For the record, I reside in NYS, I responded to the collapse of the towers, I was a LEO at the time of the collapse, I was there the first day, and for a month and a half after for the clean-up. I had a good friend who was in the PAPD die during the collapse, I saw the carnage, airplane debris, body parts, the god awful smell, the choking blinding smoke, the grey soot that fell like snow. Close friends, fellow officers, and my sister-in-law (who was working in Wall St. at the time, who I thought had died) saw people jumping from the Towers, the Towers were still ablaze at that time. Two close friends and fellow LEO's saw the Towers fall, in their words; "in slow motion, and slide towards them". They thought they were dead, luckily they manage to escape.
Nobody I know, or who was down at the Towers that day believes there was a government cover up, conspiracy, or that our government was involved! To say the MAJORITY of Americans or New Yorkers believing it is just a lie!
So please stop the B.S., and find something else to lie about. I will not respond to any rebuttal posts on this thread. I tried to ignore this, but to have deniers and conspiracy theorist after only ten years? unbelievable!

Casull · « **Reply #48 on:** September 09, 2011, 05:19:48 AM »

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Like it or not, Polls indicate in fact, that most Americans do not buy the Official Conspiracy Theory 100%.

So what. There are few things in life that people believe 100%. I guess you're just going to ignore my last post about Zogby (after YOU brought it up). The fact is that most Americans do not believe in the wildeyed theories that you keep espousing.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #49 on:** September 09, 2011, 06:36:48 AM »

Most Americans believe the hard core 9-11 Truthers are simply out to feed their insatiable appetite for conspiracy concepts in everything.

Casull · « **Reply #50 on:** September 09, 2011, 08:12:56 AM »

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Here's a main stream CNN poll from 2004...89% don't buy into OCT as complete truth.

LOL. Are you serious? A CNN online poll is "main stream"? I'll bet you that a FOX online poll would have different results (and would be more "main stream" since FOX has more viewers).

I guess the funniest part though, is that somehow you believe that because some don't buy the official account "100%", that it somehow lends credence to your wild theories. Please, show us an actual mainstream poll showing that a majority of Americans believe that the towers were taken down by controlled thermite demolition by President Bush and you might find some respect.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #51 on:** September 09, 2011, 09:36:42 AM »

We had a poll right here that showed a majority did believe the official story.

Casull · « **Reply #52 on:** September 09, 2011, 10:31:30 AM »

Yeah, tm, I remember your architects. As I recall, they comprised considerably less than 1/10th of 1 percent of licensed architects. I'm guessing the numbers for your pilots and military personnel would be similar.

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Yeah...CNN is pretty mainstream, alot more than FOXy....especially the Anderson show.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #53 on:** September 09, 2011, 12:41:35 PM »

Show us the data that all the 1560 architects think 9-11 was an inside job?

I'm a memebr of the NRA but that does not mean I agree with every single thing they do or even know about it.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #54 on:** September 09, 2011, 12:48:50 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on September 09, 2011, 10:11:57 AM

Quote from: Casull on September 09, 2011, 08:12:56 AM
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Here's a main stream CNN poll from 2004...89% don't buy into OCT as complete truth.

LOL. Are you serious? A CNN online poll is "main stream"? I'll bet you that a FOX online poll would have different results (and would be more "main stream" since FOX has more viewers).

I guess the funniest part though, is that somehow you believe that because some don't buy the official account "100%", that it somehow lends credence to your wild theories. Please, show us an actual mainstream poll showing that a majority of Americans believe that the towers were taken down by controlled thermite demolition by President Bush and you might find some respect.

Yeah...CNN is pretty mainstream, alot more than FOXy....especially the Anderson show.
And thanx for ascribing 'wild theories' to me, but they're not my theories...I can not claim authorship. I can only say for the most part the Official Conspiracy Theory is the least believable and apparently average Americans think about the same thing. But you can blame these guys for 'wild theories', who I dare say have alot more education, experience, and creds then anybody posting here:

I don't think the 1500 or so professional architects and engineers in this org would think they're promoting 'wild theories'
http://www.ae911truth.org/
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nor the professional piliots in this org:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/index.html
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or the notable partiots and military experts in this org
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
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nor the educated membership in this organization:
http://911scholars.org/
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or these firefirefighters:
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

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Billy, just to remind you on your little poll, a major significant %, approx 1/2 real respondents (discounting the bogus votes), of GB posters voted 'No'--disagreeing with the simple premise of your poll and therefore it can be inferred that they don't accept the OCTheory enough to vote 'yes' for the simple premise of your poll...which is moslems done it. This is huge given the GB demographic voting, and means they don't buy the OCTheory 100%...ONE HALF of a conservative type of RTBA crowd...ONE HALF...!!!

..TM7

Umm the poll showed 39 votes for muslims flying planes into buildings, 25 said they didn't, now dismissing the 6 admitted fraudulent votes Matt cast from abandonned accounts it is no where near 50% hmmm lets do math 39 diveded by 58 = 67.241% that is no where near 50%. A little truth goes a long ways.

Casull · « **Reply #55 on:** September 09, 2011, 02:45:28 PM »

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Oh!... Because according to the American Institute of Architects there are 83,500 registered architects of 'all types'

Oh!....

Because according to the US Census Bureau there are 233,000 architects in this country.

Now, according to Wikilpedia, regarding "Architects for 9-11 Truth":

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As of March 2011, the group's petition to Congress was signed by nearly 1,500 architectural and engineering professionals. The mainstream scientific and engineering community has generally rejected the position taken by the group.

Now, as to engineers in the US, there are 2,495,000 of those.

So, we have a total of "nearly 1,500 architectural and engineering professionals" who have signed the petition, out of a total of 2,728,000 architects and engineers in this country. According to my math, that is .055% or just over 1/2 of 1/10th of one percent. Sounds like considerably less than 1/10th of one percent to me.

Casull · « **Reply #56 on:** September 09, 2011, 03:18:14 PM »

billy_56081 · « **Reply #57 on:** September 09, 2011, 03:27:48 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on September 09, 2011, 01:31:43 PM

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Umm the poll showed 39 votes for muslims flying planes into buildings, 25 said they didn't, now dismissing the 6 admitted fraudulent votes Matt cast from abandonned accounts it is no where near 50% hmmm lets do math 39 diveded by 58 = 67.241% that is no where near 50%. A little truth goes a long ways.

25 final tally already had the 6 funny votes removed...didn't it? don't remove them again. Anyway 40% is approx half...any case alot don't believe the OCT right here at GB.... 84% don't nationally it seems, too. Meanwhile I'm told that 67% of the people in Mexico believe in the Chupacabra...

..TM7

No TM you are either mistaken or lying, the 6 votes Matt cast from closed accounts were not deleted. You speak of seeking the truth,

billy_56081 · « **Reply #58 on:** September 10, 2011, 04:31:22 AM »

No need to go back, TM I have a PM from Matt in my in box and my email. Now of course the government didn't tell us everything, are you daft? BUt as a fact, MOST GBO MEMBERS, AT LEAST 67% believe MUSLIMS flew pllanes into buildings that day.

1marty · « **Reply #59 on:** September 11, 2011, 10:07:44 AM »

I love people who quote "statistics." 89.5% think blah blaah blah. Or 59.73% of people who work for Philly cream cheese believe the moon is made from cheese. 95.73% per cent of all architects believe in blah blah blah. Of course there was the Kennedy conspiracy, then the US never landed on the moon and it was all staged on a movie set and Franklin Roosevelt and Japan planned the Pearl Harbor attack and on and on and on.