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Do we need more (LEGAL) Immigration?
« on: September 01, 2011, 11:40:43 AM »
Good article here by Frosty Woolridge. I agree with him. We don't need anymore immigration in this country. Illegal or otherwise........Period! I would think both sides of the isle should agree , but I doubt it :o


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Re: Do we need more (LEGAL) Immigration?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2011, 12:12:24 PM »
well, I think that the borders should closed and deportation begin.  a lot of legals are scientists and engineers but those jobs can be filled from right here.  we have three schools that can compete with any school in the world.
any illegal caught in a traffic stop etc. should be gone in a week.
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Re: Do we need more (LEGAL) Immigration?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2011, 12:25:49 PM »
In the 1950's, Eisenhower rounded up 2,000,000 illegal Hispanics (mostly Mexicans) and deported them on buses and ships about 300 miles inside Mexico and left them.  Illegals should be rounded up and deported using the national guard.  Also, close the border with Mexico until all are deported.  I had an Englishman who was my science professor in college who was married 9 years to an American, and had lived here for 9 years and had to wait in line for citizenship.  They even had a 7 year old son.  Immigration was geared under Carter to anyone from "oppressed" or poor countries FIRST.  Europeans had to wait in back of the line.  This is wrong.  Europeans are already trained in our culture and with work skills, but have to wait.  Hispanics, Asians, and Africans get higher priority. 

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Re: Do we need more (LEGAL) Immigration?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2011, 04:14:25 PM »
In the 1950's, Eisenhower rounded up 2,000,000 illegal Hispanics (mostly Mexicans) and deported them on buses and ships about 300 miles inside Mexico and left them.  Illegals should be rounded up and deported using the national guard.  Also, close the border with Mexico until all are deported.  I had an Englishman who was my science professor in college who was married 9 years to an American, and had lived here for 9 years and had to wait in line for citizenship.  They even had a 7 year old son.  Immigration was geared under Carter to anyone from "oppressed" or poor countries FIRST.  Europeans had to wait in back of the line.  This is wrong.  Europeans are already trained in our culture and with work skills, but have to wait.  Hispanics, Asians, and Africans get higher priority.


The illegals should be deported and stopped "YES" but Frosty is addressing the LEGAL IMMIGRATION PROBLEM HERE! He and others myself included think it's time to overhaul the Legal immigration code.We have a population explosion and unemployment problem in this country and we don't need to add to it by allowing any more immigrants period!

Now! If a person wanted to immigrate here and bring their factory without workers with it...........As Bob Barker says "COME ON DOWN' We need a freeze on all immigration, and a cleaning out of the undesirable ones here.
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Re: Do we need more (LEGAL) Immigration?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2011, 04:21:51 PM »
You can deport them and they'll come right back.  It's impossible to come here legally from Mexico.  That's why they come here illegally.  Make it illegal to hire them and enforce it.
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Re: Do we need more (LEGAL) Immigration?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2011, 06:49:43 PM »
We don't have enough jobs for the people we have here now, we need to get rid of some people.  All illigials, and stop legals.  If a woman goes overseas and marries a guy, let her move to his country.  Same thing if a man marries a woman from overseas he can move to her country.
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Re: Do we need more (LEGAL) Immigration?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2011, 07:03:13 PM »
If we kill them, they won't come back. Wouldn't cause me any loss of sleep. I bet just the implementation of such a policy with a 72 hour lead time would even save on bullets.
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Re: Do we need more (LEGAL) Immigration?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2011, 09:08:05 PM »
Sounds more to me, if you actually read Frosty's piece, it ain't just about immigrants, legal or otherwise - seems to me he'd be fine just killing off a few million people and save more animals.

Here are some quotes that capture the main points of his philosophy (from the linked article) and it is all one big clue:"With the advent of electricity, everything changed in America. Coupled with production and assembly lines, consumption became the driving force of capitalism.
Those technologies allowed Americans to overwhelm the natural world. In 1900, we numbered 76 million in America. At the time, scientists created 100 different chemicals. Today, we surpass 72,000 chemicals with an added 1,000 created annually. All of them outside the bounds of nature. All of them deadly to other life forms including us.
Today the United States, at 312 million people and headed for 400 million by 2035 via immigration, siphons the lifeblood out of nature at increasing and alarming rates of speed. If we examined the carnage and consumption of our voracious civilization, we might be appalled at the figures we exact on Mother Nature and our fellow creatures.Each day, Americans slaughter 22 million chickens for consumption. We kill in excess of 105,000 cattle every 24 hours. We devour tens of millions of fish and other ocean life every day. We kill millions of pigs, horses, turkeys, deer, buffalo, ducks, geese, rabbits and other animals. We euthanize eight million cats, dogs and other domestic animals annually.

Humans consume 40 percent of the net primary production of energy on earth—the amount of solar energy converted to plant organic matter through photosynthesis—while we make up less than one percent of the animal biomass on this planet."

He is a power tripping anti-capitalist, anti progress, anti-omnivore, and anti-human. I am not!

Just look at the inflammatory language he uses - consumption becomes the driving force of capitalism, overwhelm the natural world, outside the bounds of nature, all of them deadly to other life forms including us, carnage and consumption of our voracious civilization, appalled at the the figures we exact on Mother nature and our fellow creaturesslaughter, kill, devour etc...

If he was in charge, I'll bet he and his family won't be among the millions of humans he'd like to see gone. But will that be the case for your family? How many turkeys, deer, buffalo, ducks, geese, rabbits and other animals have YOU killed? Stopping immigration sounds like just a simple acceptable first step to reducing or limiting population... what's a next logical step, and the next?

He sounds more like a radical environmentalist than anything else to me. Reduce the population because animals are more important than people.

If you agree with him... It is time for you to wake up and look beyond the end of the finger you are pointing at currents immigrants. Let's just remove anyone who's family came here after 1900. Send 'em back where their grand-parents and great-grandparents came from. The country was just the right size in 1900. Plenty of room for the animals and Mother Nature. No more humans necessary. Uncle Sam doesn't want YOU after all! Go back where you came from. Yes that mean YOU! Uncle Sam made a mistake.

By the way, if we do have a population explosion, the reason is equally about babies, not just immigration. If Frosty gets his way, not only will abortion be a legal "right" as it is now, it will become a legal requirement! Stop immigration, stop babies, stop humanity!
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Re: Do we need more (LEGAL) Immigration?
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2011, 05:29:45 AM »
It depends on what you're interested in measuring. If you're in your 50s and plan on retiring, you need more tax payers to pay for the pension and health care your government promised you all your life.  It's all about head count.
 
There have been strong incentives for people to have fewer kids during the past 40 years. It used to be that kids were security in old age, but since the government promised to take over that role, people decided they didn't need kids. Therefore a stagnation in the native population. It happened in Europe, it happened in Japan,  it happened here. All stagnant. The reality changed so that people realized that they don't need kids individually, but that didn't change the fact that society needs kids, or more specifically, workers and tax payers.
 
Immigrants are the only way to compensate for this.

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Re: Do we need more (LEGAL) Immigration?
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2011, 06:47:39 AM »
There is no justification for illegal immigration--period.  Maybe the case can be made for selective immigration--maybe.  I strongly believe in fair immigration.  You want to immigrate to this country; find someone who wants to emigrate to your country.  That of course would only be the first step.  The immigrant would still have to pass a very stringent set of qualifications.
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