Author Topic: KILL ME (Read 6885 times)

williamlayton · « **on:** September 02, 2011, 02:57:33 AM »

I need for someone to give me good reason why a 70 year old man who is recoil sensitive should stop thinking and figgering out a way that he can buy and shoot a .44mag comfortably.
I am an idiot---lestin you folks have not figgered that out thru these years--and I need to be shot and put out of my misery.
I am thinkin I just need to buy one of these loudenboomers and shoot it, then give it away for being the fool I know I am---OR---somebody just needs to shoot me so as I will shut up. I am so fed up with me on this subject and my continual considerations/plannings/wishings/hopings/stupidity--just shoot me.
Blessings

$:-\$

BUGEYE · « **Reply #1 on:** September 02, 2011, 03:03:18 AM »

even Elmer Keith switched to .22 revolvers in his later years.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #2 on:** September 02, 2011, 08:21:58 AM »

"I'll give up my S&W M-29 when they pry my cold dead hands......."

Anyway, just buy one and shoot medium loads in it until you get used to the recoil!!

DM

drdougrx · « **Reply #3 on:** September 02, 2011, 10:52:25 AM »

Kill Ya! Nah...I only shoot bucks with big racks.....

Get yourself a hogue tamer grip for your 28 and faggetaboutit!

Swampman · « **Reply #4 on:** September 02, 2011, 11:00:20 AM »

8 grains of Unique makes the .44 Mag comfortable.

curteric · « **Reply #5 on:** September 02, 2011, 12:44:54 PM »

Buy a Dan Wesson they weigh more.

Swampman · « **Reply #6 on:** September 02, 2011, 03:37:22 PM »

That's the problem. Most .44s are too heavy to be useful.

Gun Runner · « **Reply #7 on:** September 02, 2011, 10:39:17 PM »

Just turned 71 last Sun, and still shoot my 44 Red Hawk. In fact just loaded 350 rds of 240 gr cast with 2400 to go shoot tue or wed. I also take my Ruger 22/45 target along for a break tho.

Gun Runner

Slowpoke Slim · « **Reply #8 on:** September 03, 2011, 05:10:31 AM »

Well if you're not trying to shoot full power loads from it, try a cast 200 to 240 gr bullet and some Trail Boss powder. That would be a real mild combination for high volume shooting. Then if you wish, you can load some full power loads to keep in a separate box and shoot a few each time you go out, to give you the full "treatment" before you go home.

I was without a 44 mag for 10-15 years, and regretted it. I have recently remedied that situation with a nice vintage 29. I will not make that mistake again.

44 mag is very versatile, you can load it up or down, and still get great accuracy from it. There are a host of "cowboy loads" out there you could take advantage of if you don't want the full ride of the magnum.

jhm · « **Reply #9 on:** September 03, 2011, 08:16:32 AM »

William the next time you come to Ar. stop at the Pawn shop and we will go out to the house and you can just shoot the Hell out of the 629 stainless 6in. I have stuck back in the safe somewhere. Jim

MePlat · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2011, 09:48:41 AM »

bugeye wrote
"even Elmer Keith switched to .22 revolvers in his later years." Can you give any writings where Keith said he switched to the 22 in his later years?

Recoil I have mentioned many, many times is handled almost all mentally not by physical strength. Once you have the strength to hold onto the gun the mind takes over to control the nervous system to keep recoil "Not in the forefront" of your mind but in the back of it so you will know to keep the proper grip on the gun. That is all. Once you realize that you will be okay. Don't realize it and you won't be okay. It really is a simple process made difficult by many by not looking at the mental aspect of handling recoil.

streak · « **Reply #11 on:** September 03, 2011, 01:48:22 PM »

Come on William!
Stop your whining!! A big guy like you should enjoy the good old blast and recoil of a 44 mag.

I am 70 also and got a mad 629 4'' back in May and with full power loads it will get your attention, but I like it pushing a 250 cast at around 1050 ft/sec and that is not to bad. Plus you got a very formidable load for just about any occassion!!

williamlayton · « **Reply #12 on:** September 03, 2011, 04:03:26 PM »

I can shoot anything.
I choose not to shoot anything I don't enjoy.
I am not into S&M---well, that is true--but--as I have stated earlier I am a wimp---I don't wear lace on my shorts--but--I do have two pink shirts.
I think I am going to cry from all the fun being poked at me---I feel so alone and misunderstood.
Other than that I am OK.
I enjoy the .41mag---so don't ask mewhy I keep thinking about a .44mag---HUMMMMM---maybe I am a closet S&M. Seems like there may be one or two others here, also.
Lets all come out at once.
Blessings

drdougrx · « **Reply #13 on:** September 03, 2011, 05:45:25 PM »

Hurts soooo gooooood......

StrawHat · « **Reply #14 on:** September 04, 2011, 02:03:09 AM »

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William, I am 16 years your junior and gave up on the 44 Magnum when I found I could get better results on game with the 45 long Colt. I was using Keiths load in the 44 and a friend was using black powder in the 45. His deer dropped right there and mine would run off with similar hits. This continued for more than a few hunts before the light went on over my head. I have switched to 45s (long Colt and ACP/AR) and never looked back.

The nice thing about the 45 long Colt is when you place it next to a 44 magnum round the 45 is the larger case. Yeah, it can be loaded to outrageous ballistics but the old black powder specs are more than enough for me.

So, instead of the 44 Magnum (M29) consider the same revolver cut for the Colt cartridge (M25-5 or whatever the new ones are called)

BUGEYE · « **Reply #15 on:** September 04, 2011, 02:43:44 AM »

MePlat, yes I can. it's all in John Lachuks book on the .22 rimfire. John was a friend of Elmers and stated that in Elmers later years he started leaving the 44s at home and shooting .22 revolvers.

MePlat · « **Reply #16 on:** September 04, 2011, 03:33:11 AM »

BUGEYE:

I would not put too much confidence in what Lachuk said. I called and talked to Keith maybe 3 to 4 times a year from maybe late 72 to shortly before he had the stroke that eventually did him in and I know he still shot his 4 inch M29 and carried it daily. In his later years he rarely shot. Didn't need to. No point in it. The only reference he made was shooting "ground squirrels" with a 22 S&W kit gun maybe in '78 or '79 but the gun was his Buddy's.
Keith did not speak too fondly of Lachuk actually. Unless it came from Keiths own admission I wouldn't pay to much attention to it.
Many claim to be friends of certain ones if it will bolster their own ego or gain them something.
Again in talking with Keith and being a devoted student of his I never heard or read ANYTHING where he went to a 22 RF either partially or totally.
Just like many saying he shot an "Elk" at 600 yards with a "4 inch" M29 using his "Keith load" . Another bunch of bunk perpetuated by many that claims to be Keith fans , as Keith used to say, "wanting to get their name in the funny papers".

PS: Actually Keith did not speak too kindly of Lachuks writings not actually against the man. I was too harsh in what I said. Wanted to make that clear.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #17 on:** September 04, 2011, 04:37:02 AM »

MePlat, I have never read anything by Keith and since Lachuk didn't say anything ugly about him I just figured he took up some 22 shooting. I have a colt cobra .38 that's not near as much fun as my .22s. I can believe you talked to Keith because people in the 70s answered their own phone.
the reason I say that, I called Jack O'conner back then to ask about one of his books and we had a very nice chat.
still curious why Lachuk would say that, it didn't really add much to his book.

MePlat · « **Reply #18 on:** September 04, 2011, 05:06:00 AM »

"still curious why Lachuk would say that, it didn't really add much to his book"

Just name dropping is all. Just like all these NASCAR fans talking about the drivers like they are the best friend of the driver and many probably haven't even spoke to them and the ones that have probably said hi and can I have your autograph?
Then for years they act like they are the closest confidant of said driver.
Why do people do that?
Me, I did study Keith and did actually talk to him but we were not friends or anything like that. So I am nothing.

The Hermit · « **Reply #19 on:** September 04, 2011, 03:46:20 PM »

William. ole buddy. Buy the .44 already, you know you want it. You got me stirred up and I bought the .45 auto that I always wanted and haven't looked back. Hell, if I had your money, I'd hire somebody to shoot it for me, if the recoil is too much for ya. Just kidding, of course.

The Hermit

Wyo. Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #20 on:** September 05, 2011, 08:03:24 AM »

William, I would buy the .44...I have several..although I often shoot .44 spl. brass and loads in them, and these are as pleasant to fire as 38's... I still have the option of using heavy 44 mag. loads...a great comfort when fishing in bear country...a .44 is like a fine sports car..one can drive it 35 mph or when he feels like it 140 mph...the power is there when one needs it, but you don't ALWAYS have to use it..

MePlat, I am with you..I am almost certain Elmer stuck to his 44's until the day he was carried to the hospital..He must have been a unreal shot with his handguns...One of his admirers, tells of hunting with him, and Elmer shot a porky out of a tree at about 80 yards...with his .44..the guy explained he knew people who could also make the shot, but in Elmer's case, he never looked back, he KNEW he made the hit without looking....It seems to me somewhere in my reading, there was a real dislike on Elmer's part for the writer you mentioned...anyway, the one regret I have was I never saw Elmer shoot...the chance was there if I had only taken it...

BUGEYE · « **Reply #21 on:** September 05, 2011, 08:44:59 AM »

just goes to show you can't believe everything you read. oh well, I still enjoyed the book.
I never read any of Keiths books but I did like one title "HELL, I WAS THERE"

Wyo. Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #22 on:** September 05, 2011, 11:30:05 AM »

From all the sources I have Bugeye, Elmer packed his .44's til the fatal stroke put him in the hospital...one of my friends helped put together the collection of his firearms for the Bosie Cabela's...When he made the shot on the porky I mentioned in the other post, he was riding horse back and almost 80 years old...His ability with a pistol must have been something to behold...

BUGEYE · « **Reply #23 on:** September 05, 2011, 11:57:59 AM »

I hope you guys don't think I made that up. if anyone has read lachuks rimfire book, please chime in and bail me out. it's in the text real close to the picture of Kieth, lachuk and clint eastwood.

Wyo. Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #24 on:** September 05, 2011, 12:36:19 PM »

No problem...I am certain you probably read this...Keith mentions him saying things about Elmer that were not correct...this could have been the source of the problem....

BUGEYE · « **Reply #25 on:** September 05, 2011, 12:45:47 PM »

I just pulled out the book to get the exact wording and lachuk said in later years, keith exercised his 22 revolvers. but from an excerpt y'all quoted from a Keith book apparently he didn't even own one.
I guess it don't matter too much because Keith was well known for his big bores.

oh, lachuk said Keith started out with 22s on a montana ranch. now I'm wondering if lachuk made that up too.

MePlat · « **Reply #26 on:** September 05, 2011, 01:36:53 PM »

By keiths own writings he started out with a 36 caliber cap and ball. Don't worry about lachuk or what he wrote. Its not important.

Wyo. Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #27 on:** September 05, 2011, 02:53:45 PM »

Right don't worry about Lachuk, but Elmer's life and guns were darn interesting...He seems to have played with anything that would shoot that he could get his hands on...He certainly had a win. pump 22, but it might have been the special...he wrote his first center fire six gun was a 32-20...later th e .45 Colt, and 38-40...his early writings are very interesting, at least to me...he did not arrive as a full blown big bore support until he traveled the small bore route..I remember very well in SIXGUNS he mentions having a new Smith .22, but he traded it for a triple lock Smith .44....the best thing is to just enjoy the stories and wonderful tales he had to tell along with the gun info...One of the newer writers mentioned in an article that Elmer told one of his relatives from Oregon to buy a model 70 in .270 Win....Unbelieveable, but when one considers at the time Elmer was hot on the 285 OKH, it is certainly possible..and this was before the feud with O'Connor....When Elmer describes some of the shots he made with a handgun, it certainly makes me realize what a piker I am with the short gun, but it would have been one of life's high points to have seen Elmer shoot...

BUGEYE · « **Reply #28 on:** September 05, 2011, 03:08:23 PM »

WCH, he had a flap with O'conner?? I've read most of O'conners books and really enjoyed them.

Wyo. Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #29 on:** September 05, 2011, 06:03:19 PM »

OConnor was Irish and Elmer was Scotch...for beginners....but the feud was pretty serious especially on Elmer's part...While I have read much of OConnor, he was a skilled writer first and a shooter second...Elmer was not a skilled writer, but a shooter and gunman from birth...He got into writing because of his vast shooting skills....his writing was something else...I have a couple letters somewhere..Jack had a pretty sweet deal with Outdoor Life, and Elmer may have resented it, I don't know..but the feud was real..While I didn't always agree with Elmer, he certainly contributed to shooting sports more than just making a living writing...From all I have read and heard Jack was a bit of a snob..looked down on the average guy as "the mob"..Elmer was an average guy, and loved to visit with his readers...both were interesting, but to me Elmer was a real old time cowboy, shooter, hunter, reloader, and gunhand...he was one of the few that could push a shotgun, pistol or rifle to the limits....