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Slavery and the war with Mexico
« on: September 02, 2011, 05:03:30 PM »
Opposition to the war
In the U.S., increasingly divided by sectional rivalry, the war was a partisan issue and an essential element in the origins of the American Civil War. Most Whigs in the North and South opposed it;[23] most Democrats supported it.[24] Southern Democrats, animated by a popular belief in Manifest Destiny, supported it in hopes of adding territory to the South and avoiding being outnumbered by the faster-growing North. John O'Sullivan, the editor of the "Democratic Review", coined this phrase in its context, stating that it must be "Our manifest destiny to overspread the continent alloted by Providence for the free development of our yearly multiplying millions."[25] Northern anti-slavery elements feared the rise of a Slave Power; Whigs generally wanted to strengthen the economy with industrialization, not expand it with more land. Democrats wanted more land; northern Democrats were attracted by the possibilities in the far northwest. Joshua Giddings led a group of dissenters in Washington D.C. He called the war with Mexico "an aggressive, unholy, and unjust war," and voted against supplying soldiers and weapons. He said:
In the murder of Mexicans upon their own soil, or in robbing them of their country, I can take no part either now or here-after. The guilt of these crimes must rest on others. I will not participate in them
.[26]Fellow Whig Abraham Lincoln contested the causes for the war and demanded to know exactly where Thornton had been attacked and American blood shed. "Show me the spot," he demanded. Whig leader Robert Toombs of Georgia declared:
This war is nondescript .... We charge the President with usurping the war-making power ... with seizing a country ... which had been for centuries, and was then in the possession of the Mexicans .... Let us put a check upon this lust of dominion. We had territory enough, Heaven knew."
;[27]Northern abolitionists attacked the war as an attempt by slave-owners—frequently referred to as "the Slave Power"—to strengthen the grip of slavery and thus ensure their continued influence in the federal government. Acting on his convictions, Henry David Thoreau was jailed for his refusal to pay taxes to support the war, and penned his famous essay, Civil Disobedience.
Former President John Quincy Adams also expressed his belief that the war was primarily an effort to expand slavery in a speech he gave before the House on May 25, 1846.[28] In response to such concerns, Democratic Congressman David Wilmot introduced the Wilmot Proviso, which aimed to prohibit slavery in new territory acquired from Mexico. Wilmot's proposal did not pass Congress, but it spurred further hostility between the factions.
 
 
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Re: Slavery and the war with Mexico
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2011, 05:28:54 AM »
Political sides use any arguement to support their postion. Sometime you find opposing views using the same incident turned to each advantage.
The war with Mexico was the enevital clash of two nations to define once and for all boundaries.
Let me say at this point that while we think these borders are fixed it is not so--they change at the whim of of men.
The South had a greater need for the borders to be defined and guarded---who in New York cared?
The South did cast a greedy eye on as much territory to project slavery into---first they had to become a recognized country---which i believe was the long range goal of the South. It happened that events came about more quickly than they had planned.
Like Hitler in WWII, if events (which he caused) had taken longer to develope things might have taken a decided different outcome.
I don't think that the USA had a decided opinion that Mexico should become a part of the nation.
SOME may have had that desire----they may have been correct, seeing events as they have unfolded today.
All that I can see is a straight line desire to evolve East to West.
Mexico is a great debate. It does involve a lot of Monday morning quaterbacking to make arguement. Some, most, lacking actualy thinking of the day---maybe actual majority thinking of the day.
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Re: Slavery and the war with Mexico
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2011, 12:42:40 AM »
Why Texas!
This is just a thumbnail of the history, but they are the reasons.
Texas, unlike most of the states, is a product of direct immigration. These Chec, Slavs, German and some other  European folks did not come to the US, they came to Texas.
The Eastern part of Texas was a movement of the US/from the US.
Those that came to Central Texas swore a loose allegiance to Mexico and the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church was not a new thing for these folks and that was not a real problem.
The real problem was Mexico. Who is Mexico, what are Mexicans? The real Mexicans are Indians. The ruling class is Spanish. Still is.
Mexico was progressive in wanting to settle this land they called Tejas--under their control, and, that is a natural thing.
Mexico even had a very progressive attitude towards the orient. There are large numbers of Chinese that came to the Northern parts of Mexico under grants given to them---about the way that Moses Austin acquired his grants.
This is saying that Mexico--the Spanish--were controlling this immigration and, the Indians---exerting their control.
Thisngs rock along and before you know it there is a movement towards Independence. It was not from the plans of the the US.
This place was too big and the Mexican government was too far away--the people needed a government that was more accessable to their needs.
This revolution we had was not towards the US it was from mexico. Mexico was just too remote.
When Sam houstons army defeated Santa Anna at a place caledd San Jacinto--a place about three miles from my home/house there became the Nation of Texas.
Where were the borders?
Now, it is necessary to understand that there were large numbers of Mexican who were tied to Mexico becauseof large Spanish Land Grants in this new Nation. Texas did not recognize these land grants--persay. They were what they were and thoughts about them were not even considered as a part of this treaty.
Back to the borders. Sam houston--acting for and on behalf of the Congress of Texas--such as it was--set the boundary on the South and West as the Rio Grande.
This alienated many loyal Mexicans from Mexico--pissed them off---they had large land holdings that were now not being protected by Mexico. There is an area of land down here called the Neueces Strip---runs from basicall the Gulf of Mexico around Corpus Christi up into West Texas.
This strip was hotly contested and became a no mans land---claimed by both sides and occupied by lawless men--for the most part.
It really was this strip of land that the war with Mexico was fought---well, at least to Texans--and who in the Hell cares about what the Yankees wanted.
Now folks, just to piss ALL of you off, A Yankee is anybody East of the Sabine river.
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Re: Slavery and the war with Mexico
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2011, 03:16:40 AM »
good post.  you're kinda like some here in Ga. that say anyone that lives north of I-20 is a yankee ;D
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Re: Slavery and the war with Mexico
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2011, 07:15:39 PM »
Hello, everyone.  I wonder...If the South had won..would they have eventually tried to invade and take over Mexico?
   

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Re: Slavery and the war with Mexico
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2011, 11:54:50 PM »
Honestly--IMO--the South could not have obtained a consensus amongst the Nations in the Confederation to do anything of this magnitude.
Texas could not do it alone---Texas was having a rough time just policing the Neueces Strip.
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