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Offline PWalker

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Handi youth
« on: September 06, 2011, 04:30:09 PM »
Looking at getting a deer gun for my son for Christmas.I have 2 Handi's and really like the simplicit of them.I am thinking either the 243 or 7-08.He is 7 yrs old so I want to get him something that he can hunt with for awhile.Any suggestions would be appreciated...I saw a regular Handi in 30/30 on gunbroker that looked really nice but I worry about the stock size....
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2011, 04:31:59 PM »
Well, the 30-30 is rated as one of the most accurate out of the box models by guys here.  You could always watch the H&R Classifieds just a couple forums down for a youth buttstock or order one from H&R also.  ;)
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2011, 01:30:32 PM »
I would get the 3030 and put a youth stock on it. The rimmed cartridge works better and though I haven't shot the 3030 I bet it is more accurate than the 243. Choate has the youth stocksfor less than 30.00
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2011, 03:41:26 PM »
When my son was younger, I just ordered the youth buttstock from H & R.  It's still on the .30-30 which gets loaned out regularly to younger and/or smaller shooters during deer season.  NEF .30-30 + 150 gr. Corelokt factory load = venison.  :)


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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2011, 03:50:22 PM »
What ever you find may have an adult stock, you can pull off the adult stock and keep it until he grows into it, and pick up a used youth stock here in the classifieds to use for the first few years..... That way you are not limited to just the youth calibers. If you happen to be a re-loader you can make some youth friendly loads for many calibers. And Trailboss is a very good option for making a kid friendly load.  Hope you find what you are looking for, have fun. thejanitor
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2011, 06:39:29 PM »
My 9 year old grandson killed 2 deer last year with a standard 357 and handloads. He shot a 243 with reduced loads and stood up to it, but you could tell it bothered him. When he shot the 357 there was a slow grin that just consumed his face. He therefore practiced quite a bit. ( I had to run an ammo budget deficit) When the time came, he very calmly put one through both lungs of a doe at about 70 yards, she jumped and ran about 30 yards and turned and looked back, I had him put another through from the other side, she fell right there. The second, he waited until the single spike was about 60 yards and starting to move into cover and made a head shot right behind the ear. He is permanently hooked now. If I had used a heavier rifle, I dont know if it would have turned out as well. If your child is only 7, unless he is a giant for his age, I would err on the side of caution. You can always get another barrel later.
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2011, 04:57:53 AM »
FWIW, a std. H&R MC buttstock with the recoil pad is a bit too long for a number of people, not just kids. In a light recoiling caliber you can pull the factory pad and easily fit a hard buttplate, which may make it fit better for you and not be as short (they are really short) as the youth length.
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2011, 05:50:16 AM »
Quote from: gcrank1 on September 08, 2011, 04:57:53 AM
(they are really short) as the youth length.
I have to agree- the youth stocks we have are way too short for an average adult, they work great for a quick short woods shotgun, but I struggle with eye relief on the scope if I grab my daughters gun.
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2011, 06:12:55 AM »
PWalker,

Last night my 7 year old nephew came to visit.....he is 4 ft tall and weighs no more than 80 lbs.....a .243 would shake loose his baby teeth and make him hate shooting.  A 30-30 will absolutely make his baby teeth fall off.

I don't know the build of your kid or your circumstances, but better ease him into shooting with a caliber which doesn't kick back at all.  Let him become a great shooter first either with .22LR or .22 Hornet; with this last one, he could get interested into reloading also.
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2011, 07:05:10 AM »
A tad off topic........  ::)  but I sawed a topper down to fit my son years ago.
Many of my nephews learned to hunt dove with it over the years.
I recently put a youth stock on it and my G'son is using it now.
Getting my money's worth out of it.  :o
 
For me I generally start them off on lite centerfire rounds.
I like the 357 for this (I reload) have found they tend to like it.  ;)
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2011, 07:27:44 AM »
For those who are somewhat new to reloading, you can load top Cast Bullet Velocity Loads, using jacketed, and have NO problems and they will be new shooter and kid friendly (and quite a bit below the jacketed bullet low end loads).
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2011, 12:18:40 PM »
Quote from: PWalker on September 06, 2011, 04:30:09 PM
I am thinking either the 243 or 7-08.He is 7 yrs old so I want to get him something that he can hunt with for awhile.Any suggestions would be appreciated...I saw a regular Handi in 30/30 on gunbroker that looked really nice but I worry about the stock size....
I think all three are too much for a 7yr old, unless you handload to 'youth loads.'  Otherwise,  I'd go .357 Mag and use .38 specials for initial practice.  You could also ream to .357 Max.  Maybe trade for another caliber, if you want, when he grows a bit.  .357 barrels are very popular items.
http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2011, 01:57:11 PM »
might i suggest the 44mag,
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2011, 02:33:37 PM »
My only suggestion, make sure the gun has open sites, since the youth stock is no a Monte Carlo design. 

My wife started our son out with the 45-70 barrel, youth stock, Trail Boss, and light pistol bullets.  She started him shooting the big gun, as he called it, at the age of ten.  He was small for his age, but that combo worked good for him.
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2011, 08:59:26 PM »
A deer gun for a 7 year old?
The 243 and 7-08 will both kick the hell out of a little kid.
Get him a 22.
 
 
 
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Re: Handi youth
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2011, 05:25:12 AM »
My grandsons started shooting .357s with a youth stock on them when they were 7. We started out with 38 specials in target loads and have worked up to 357 mags. I reload so any power level is available. They also shoot the .22 a lot for trigger time. 
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