BFRO investigating my land/forest

[Scibaer]

huh ? the possibility of bigfoot existing has nothing to do with science or biology ?
did i miss something ? `

[Swampman]

Ghost and UFOs have nothing to do with science or biology either at least as the common man understands them.

[Scibaer]

so what then ... what does the common man use to understand them  ?
if not the universal ideas of science ?

[Swampman]

Spirituality.....they are what common men call spirits.  Science has other terms for them and knowledge that indicates their presence.

[Scibaer]

yes, science does have "other" names for ghost/ufo's/unexplainables..but indicating a possible presence does not "prove" anything.  spirituality is a belief system, that cannot be proven or disproven and does add to scientific knowledge.

you can "chose" to believe in anything you like. but for most situations ( llike BF's where so many people claim to have seen them, we need legimate proof ( i.e. a scientific cataloging and identification )

and there is none of that to date, even with all tlhe TV shows , and teams of reseachers on ghosts, UFOs/bigfoot and whatever else you got, no one has produced any, any testable , proof that can stand up to the scientific method.
that any of them exist in reality as we can know it.

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[Swampman]

And they never will because they don't exist in reality as we know it.

[Scibaer]

i said that believers dont need science for proof ( paraphrased moneymaker )
then i said that BF doesnt exist, there was no proof... and your retorted that i was mistaken
but you now say, that they ( science ? ) never will prove thier existance beccause they dont exist in reality as we know it ?
um.. aint that what i was saying , more or less ?
 or is it the "reality" part your disargeeing with ?

[Swampman]

There are several realities.  We live in one of them.  They live in the others.

[Scibaer]

can you prove there are several realities, Einstein couldn't, Hawking is speculating and string theory can never be tested..
so, multiple realities is highly suspect, but lets say for this debate its true..
so these entities can move from one reality to another.. why . why if they had that ability would they ? say be out in the middle of a forest or in an abandon old building ? or along a road at 3am ( just as examples ) ?
no we cant know their minds, but it seem a little contrived and full of meaningless conjecture to say they came from another reality to ours to hang out in the backwoods or old schoolhouse somewhere.
 the most rational explanation it that they dint exist at all, in any reality or dimension..
 even the guys like hawking use the scientific method and known physics of this reality to explain everything imaginable in this universe , including time travel and interdimensional shifts, ufos and the lot...

[Swampman]

I only have to prove it to myself and I've seen what I've seen.  It's silly to believe ours is the only dimension.  Science has found it, they just don't understand it yet.

[Scibaer]

well i certainly cant debate with you on what you saw, believe or have proven to yourself.
but, site a source, any rational source that science has found another dimension.
how did they test it ?
if they dont understand it , how do they know its a dimension ?
 how did they recognize it as a dimension ?
  and youve seen ..what ? another dimension.
  how did you know it was one ?
   and how does that apply to ufos or BFs or ghosts ?

[Swampman]

The seemingly impossible really happens:

(Back to the double slit later.) Nature defies common sense, and this really happens: an electron or other particle can disappear in one location and simultaneously reappear at another location if the wave associated with the particle extends to the other location. After you buy that, we can make sense out of the rest of it.

[Scibaer]

talking quantum and particle physics is fine, science does not know all the ins and outs about it, there is still a whole lot of speculation, guessing and tests that are unrepeatable in these studies. and scientist still use the scientific method to work the problems, as they say.

on the latest discovery, they thought they had a particle that traveled faster then light.. opps, nope the testing equipment was faulty.
so again, no proof, only spectulation, so more testing.... the scientific method
and science cant follow a particles path and view its location at the same time, only one or another. so there is an unknown factor at work. and there is alot of behavior of the quark particle that is simply unexplained.

none of which, really applies to some fella seeing a bf or ghost while bird hunting in his local woods