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Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« on: September 09, 2011, 04:45:42 PM »
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I think Ron handled it well, very diplomatic. Perry doesn't like RP it's plain to see. Maybe at least they will put Ron Pauls name in the paper now. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
 
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2011, 05:02:47 PM »
Looks rough, who knows? It did not look like a friendly chat. However, if Ron Paul says he doesn't remember the exchange exactly, I don't know. Let him tell the truth & let it fall where it may.
 
It appears Mitt is more concerned than Ron Paul & wants to use the incident at Perry's & Paul's expense. Does anyone think that RINO punk is worried about Ron Paul. Mitt R. is just a Northeast Lib, I will NOT vote for him, not sure about the others yet.
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2011, 05:21:08 PM »
I don't think any of the status quo Republican candidates like Ron Paul. Perry and Obamney are both statists claiming to be conservatives so they don't like being challenged by a real conservative.
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2011, 05:41:10 PM »
I like Gary Johnson out of NM. I have spoken to Texans that don't like Perry.

Did you see Judge Napolitano tonite? WOW!! It is amazing that Fox or anybody allow him on tv. I pray for his safety.

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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2011, 05:52:40 PM »
I don't think any of the status quo Republican candidates like Ron Paul. Perry and Obamney are both statists claiming to be conservatives so they don't like being challenged by a real conservative.



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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2011, 03:56:42 AM »
Perry actually threatened Ron Paul...
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Did he? Eh, maybe... or maybe that's the spin being provided by some of Paul's more Randroid-ish supporters. I say this as a supporter of Ron Paul, who knows full well that some of his supporters are... very ardent, and a little nuts.
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2011, 03:57:59 AM »
I think of Ron Paul as a libertarian rather than just a "real conservative" and he has probably been threatened before.  So what?
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2011, 05:28:48 AM »
Perry actually threatened Ron Paul...
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Did he? Eh, maybe... or maybe that's the spin being provided by some of Paul's more Randroid-ish supporters. I say this as a supporter of Ron Paul, who knows full well that some of his supporters are... very ardent, and a little nuts.
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True, to all of that. It did not look good, but who knows what was said?  Since Romney is making it a big deal, let him tell us what was said.
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2011, 06:28:02 AM »
the only one that is sticking to the issues and having the best ideas but is not electible, is Newt.
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2011, 06:51:36 AM »
I like Gary Johnson out of NM. I have spoken to Texans that don't like Perry.

Did you see Judge Napolitano tonite? WOW!! It is amazing that Fox or anybody allow him on tv. I pray for his safety.

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There are lots of New Mexicans that don't like Gary Johnson also. Most of them are spend everything we've got and then some more democrats. Fortunately the people that wrote New Mexico's constitution were smart enough to require us to have a balanced budget with no deficit spending. That was not a problem while Gary was Governor. He would just tell 'em up front to not send him any new tax bills or spending bills that would require raising taxes and always stuck to his guns. If you think Ron Paul can't get any publicity from the news media count up the times you have heard Gary's name mentioned other than as a joke.

Too bad there isn't a snowball's chance of Gary being elected President. He would throw a monkey wrench in some of this spend, spend, spend crap in a hurry. He knows what a veto is for.

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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2011, 04:17:56 PM »
In tonights debate, Ron Paul told an outright lie.  Paul stated that Perry raised his taxes 100 percent. That is completely wrong I live just north of Paul's district and no "taxes" have been raised

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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2011, 04:58:01 PM »
  In tonight's debate, Rick Santorum said Ron Paul claimed on his website that it is our (America's) fault that we were attacked on 9/11/01.  Is RP actually taking up the jihadist's chant..or was Santorum just spoofing us ?   
      I would like to know...because one of those two don't deserve to be on that stage, depending upon if Santorum is being truthful.
 
 I only saw the latter part of the debate..but it looks like Newt is making a lot of sense..not saying he leads the list..not nearly so..but when he said the very first day he would fire all 32 czars...
  Herman Cain said he would appoint a committee to abolish as many restrictive regulations as possible..and get rid of useless commissions (EPA?)  Good shot by Cain..
 
   Once again, did Paul REALLY say it the 3,000 murders committed on 9/11... were OUR fault ?
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2011, 05:35:42 PM »
I think Newt has won all these debates. I don't think he will be nominated. Too much external damage.

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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2011, 06:14:07 PM »
In tonights debate, Ron Paul told an outright lie.  Paul stated that Perry raised his taxes 100 percent. That is completely wrong I live just north of Paul's district and no "taxes" have been raised

Yes, I caught that!!! I have mentioned the fact that he makes alot of left hook statements that make no sense, while being spot on on economic issues. But I have never thought of him as a liar. That changed tonigt! >:(
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2011, 06:16:55 PM »
  In tonight's debate, Rick Santorum said Ron Paul claimed on his website that it is our (America's) fault that we were attacked on 9/11/01.  Is RP actually taking up the jihadist's chant..or was Santorum just spoofing us ?   
      I would like to know...because one of those two don't deserve to be on that stage, depending upon if Santorum is being truthful.
 
 I only saw the latter part of the debate..but it looks like Newt is making a lot of sense..not saying he leads the list..not nearly so..but when he said the very first day he would fire all 32 czars...
  Herman Cain said he would appoint a committee to abolish as many restrictive regulations as possible..and get rid of useless commissions (EPA?)  Good shot by Cain..
 
   Once again, did Paul REALLY say it the 3,000 murders committed on 9/11... were OUR fault ?

Yes Sir, he did!! :(
 
He also lied tonight by stating his taxes went up in TX by 100%. No they didn't!!
I never thought he lied about anything, I was wrong!!
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2011, 08:06:31 AM »
Even though Perry's tax hikes were hidden in a tax 'swap' which shifted taxes to businesses(3x more) and the tobacco industry, he can still be attributed with the largest tax hikes in Texas!  So Ron Paul did not lie, he just spoke of something that most people don't understand. Unless you know what Perry did and how well he hid it then you wouldn't see it as a tax hike. But anytime taxes increase on anyone it is higher taxes.  ::)


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Now as far as Mr. Paul saying that it was OUR fault that 9/11 happened, well that is just true. Our foreign policy as the policeman of the world led to 9/11. Most of us don't want to admit that, but going into other countries and telling them what they can and can't do in their own country or to their own people is just asking for an attack. Take 2 and a half minutes to listen to RP explain why he said 9/11 was 'our fault' or how he explains how our Foreign Policy is vastly flawed.


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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2011, 08:32:57 AM »
  When Paul says we were responsible for the 9/11 attack, he has a lot of well known company..such as;
   Amadinijhad, Hamas, PLO, Osama Bin Laden, Yassir Arafat, the Taliban, Rev Wright, Louis Farrakhan and many of the "hate America first" leftists... ;)   :D
  .....But I think he just lost a great deal of credibility with the American people...
 
   ..And he's not alone in some slippage last night..  Most of the rest of them were busy attacking each other..giving Obama a free ride.
  It seems Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich were the only ones with presence of mind enough to keep their focus on the real problem which must be removed..that protege of Rev Wright...Barack Hussein O. !
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2011, 10:04:39 AM »
After last night's debate I am getting real concerned about someone from that stage having the ability to beat Obama.  Perry looks good, but he has some real flaws we saw last night.  i think
Obama will have a field day with him.  remember,, obama talks real pretty.  I really like Cain, and the old saying, fight fire with fire makes good sense here.  Ron paul really stepped on his "thing" when he tried to explain the entire war in 30 seconds.  All he did was scare off 300million voters.  If we don't come up with the right one Obama will be serving another 4 years.  Wallacem inGa

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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2011, 10:51:01 AM »
We WEREN'T in any Muslim nation before 9-11.  Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.  All we did was try to keep the peace over there.  We got Sadam out of Kuwait but left him in power in the early 90's under Bush I.  Kuwaities love us.  Kurds in northern Iraq love us.  There have been Muslim extremists ever since Israel became a nation in 1948.  There always will be.  9-11 is NOT our fault.  We have always tried to be fair to all parties.  Extreme Ron Paul supporters who are slinging dirt on the other Republican cantidates have made me change my mind.  I now will NOT vote for Ron Paul in the primaries.  It will have to be someone else.  Newt does make the most sense.  He, leading the congress in the 1990's got us a balanced budget and started paying off the national debt.  Had 9-11 not happened, our total national debt would have been paid off by 2010-12.  Afganistan was a needed invasion to find Osama, but Iraq was not.  Iraq balanced power vs Iran.  Helped keep Iran at bay.  A good president knows how to pit our potential enemies against each other diplomatically to keep them off us.  Terroists are different. 
 
America is a republic, but it also is an empire whether it wants to be or not.  We have 25% of the worlds economy, China is only 1/3 our size economically which is the next largest.  China also has 1 billion people in abject poverty and will for a long time.  They also are over extended in credit.  Their businesses are in terrible shape and OWE too much vs what they produce and sell.  It is only a matter of time before their bubble crashes, just like Japan in the 1990's and we thought Japan was going to overtake us in the 1980's.  China is now approaching the same problem.  About 40% of their total exports come to the US and the rest go to Europe.  Europeans and Americans are cutting back and not buying as much which is going to put them in a crunch.  Now back to us being an empire.  We have to largest most powerful military in the world.  Our navy can reach 90% of the worlds population centers with our aircraft carriers.  All the navies in the world combined are only about half the size of ours.  We have the largest air force, and a large specialised Army and lots of special forces.  We are the economic engine that runs the world, we also have the military power, and our weak point is our political willpower.  A good president can use this power to pit different sides against each other to keep power balances in the world.  Reagan and Roosevelt knew how to do this.  Bush II didn't, he neglected the home economic problems and overextended us in Iraq.  He should have just left Sadam Hussen in power to balance out the Iranians.  We are so powerful as an empire, when we sneeze economically, the whole world reacts.  Even though we lost a lot of manufacturing jobs, we still make a lot of things, we also still have a lot of mining and oil production.  We also have more nuclear power plants and we have more windmill power than anyone else.  Maybe not percentage wise, but more overall.  The European Union will probably come apart at the seams soon.  Germany cannot finance the PIIGS (Portugal, Itally, Ireland, Greece, and Spain forever in their socialist ways.  The PIIGS will eventually fall apart, thus tearing the EU apart.  So that only leaves us as the empire of the world.   
 
So no matter who gets to be president, even Ron Paul.  We can never go back to being isolationist.  We have too many businesses doing business all over the world and vice versa.  We can modify our government and trade agreements to help us, but it will take a wise president to do so.  Ron Paul might be ok for domestic problems and getting the government cut, but we can't abandon our allies who depend on us for trade and protection.  We might could close bases in Germany, but probably not Korea because North Korea might get the wrong message, as just an example, and we can't put tarriffs on Canadian goods.  We might could on China.  I think Newt Gingrich has the best historical and most pragmatic view on what needs to be done, but his baggage is his problem.  With the media we have that magnifies Republicans faults, but never mentions Obama's, it will take a good quick witted person, like Reagan, to bring America back. 
 
 

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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2011, 12:44:23 PM »
  As far as the original thread starter here, it was this link;  http://networkedblogs.com/mKYpa
  I observed the link and of course noted that Mitt was using it to as much advantage as he could, since he feels threatened by  Perry.  Evidently he doesn't feel near as threatened by Paul.
 
      I guess you could say Mitt is "robbing Perry.... but not paying Paul".  ;)   ;D
 
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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2011, 01:24:12 PM »
  When Paul says we were responsible for the 9/11 attack, he has a lot of well known company..such as;
   Amadinijhad, Hamas, PLO, Osama Bin Laden, Yassir Arafat, the Taliban, Rev Wright, Louis Farrakhan and many of the "hate America first" leftists... ;)   :D
  .....But I think he just lost a great deal of credibility with the American people...
 

You forgot to put Thomas Jefferson on that list:

The desire to preserve our country from the calamities and ravages of war, by cultivating a disposition, and pursuing a conduct, conciliatory and friendly to all nations, has been sincerely entertained and faithfully followed. It was dictated by the principles of humanity, the precepts of the gospel, and the general wish of our country.

We wish to cultivate peace and friendship with all nations, believing that course most conducive to the welfare of our own.Peace with all nations, and the right which that gives us with respect to all nations, are our object.

It should be our endeavor to cultivate the peace and friendship of every nation, even of that which has injured us most.

Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none.
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2011, 03:29:18 PM »
 I don't believe Ron Paul will be nominated. I don't like Romney at all. All of them that were on that stage would be an improvement over Obama.

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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2011, 03:30:05 PM »
Even though Perry's tax hikes were hidden in a tax 'swap' which shifted taxes to businesses(3x more) and the tobacco industry, he can still be attributed with the largest tax hikes in Texas!  So Ron Paul did not lie, he just spoke of something that most people don't understand. Unless you know what Perry did and how well he hid it then you wouldn't see it as a tax hike. But anytime taxes increase on anyone it is higher taxes.  ::)


Also, as some of you know our server for this website was located in Dallas, Tx. After 10 years of operating in Texas we received notice that we will have to pay property taxes on the server beginning next year. GBO has since been moved to Atl. Ga! You can't convince me that Perry didn't raise taxes. Otherwise we would not have a new tax liability!


Now as far as Mr. Paul saying that it was OUR fault that 9/11 happened, well that is just true. Our foreign policy as the policeman of the world led to 9/11. Most of us don't want to admit that, but going into other countries and telling them what they can and can't do in their own country or to their own people is just asking for an attack. Take 2 and a half minutes to listen to RP explain why he said 9/11 was 'our fault' or how he explains how our Foreign Policy is vastly flawed.



Paul said HIS taxes went up by 100%, I don't believe that, but I will look at his site to see if he comes up with the numbers & post if he does, right now I believe he lied indeed!
 
As to the murder of almost 3000 people on 911 being our fault, I have no problem with someone pointing out our foreign policy failures which are many, but to make the leap that radical Islam had nothing to do with it is a joke!!
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2011, 04:03:32 PM »
  When Paul says we were responsible for the 9/11 attack, he has a lot of well known company..such as;
   Amadinijhad, Hamas, PLO, Osama Bin Laden, Yassir Arafat, the Taliban, Rev Wright, Louis Farrakhan and many of the "hate America first" leftists... ;)   :D
  .....But I think he just lost a great deal of credibility with the American people...
 

You forgot to put Thomas Jefferson on that list:

The desire to preserve our country from the calamities and ravages of war, by cultivating a disposition, and pursuing a conduct, conciliatory and friendly to all nations, has been sincerely entertained and faithfully followed. It was dictated by the principles of humanity, the precepts of the gospel, and the general wish of our country.

We wish to cultivate peace and friendship with all nations, believing that course most conducive to the welfare of our own.Peace with all nations, and the right which that gives us with respect to all nations, are our object.

It should be our endeavor to cultivate the peace and friendship of every nation, even of that which has injured us most.

Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none.




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Entangling Alliances With (NONE) We have really kept that good advice, haven't we?
Since 1933, when the US and Saudi Arabia became partners "so to speak"(Full diplomatic relationship) Ibn Saud granted Standard Oil of California the right to drill, and the rest is history.

The majority of Arabs didn't like the idea then, but like the majority of us today........They didn't have a choice! I say the majority! I guess that's incorrect! It would appear most Americans are perfectly happy with our government asserting their power, by invading other countries.Especially those that don't have enough military might to squash a bug! The Democrats run on an anti-war platform, and when their chosen one is elected, the beat goes on! No troops brought home, and more military action against another OIL country. More proof of a one snake, two heads government!

This is the kind of Imperialistic BS Ron Paul is against, and he is RIGHT about us making enemies around the world.Ron Paul may be many things, but a LIAR is not one of them.And he damn sure didn't lose any credibility with me, or any other American that does his or her OWN homework.

These so called debates are a scam! Loaded questions and clearly aimed at excluding everyone but the two chosen ones from having any chance at a real debate.

I guess the only reason they have them is to sell products! (Advertise)
They could.......... just wait until election night, and announce the Republican choice on Fox. The Democrat choice on MSNBC. It's really that simple!



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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2011, 04:37:03 PM »
Words of wisdom from Jefferson for sure & would be great to follow, which the Nation has not of late. But Jefferson would not justify 911 because we have mettled, that leap cannot be logically made.
Kinda reminds me of modern society blaming the way a person was mistreated as the cause of a nut killing a bunch of people & making the murderer the victum, same thing.
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« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2011, 04:41:54 PM »
Exactly NW, we've gotten so far away from Jeffersonian principles. Switzerland follows the entangling alliances with none rule and has yet to be attacked by any Muslims despite the fact that the Swiss population is almost 80% Christian. Hmmmm......
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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2011, 04:50:44 PM »
Exactly NW, we've gotten so far away from Jeffersonian principles. Switzerland follows the entangling alliances with none rule and has yet to be attacked by any Muslims despite the fact that the Swiss population is almost 80% Christian. Hmmmm......

You really think that's why they haven't attacked Switzerland?   ;D
I sure see alot of dancin here ;) ;D
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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2011, 04:50:58 PM »
Words of wisdom from Jefferson for sure & would be great to follow, which the Nation has not of late. But Jefferson would not justify 911 because we have mettled, that leap cannot be logically made.
Kinda reminds me of modern society blaming the way a person was mistreated as the cause of a nut killing a bunch of people & making the murderer the victum, same thing.
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  Back in the 1780s we had the Atlantic on one side and the Pacific on the other.  Ships were powered by sail..and the best cannons would fire how far..2 miles ?   In 1787 we would have perhaps at minimum 30-45 days before the first ships would anchor off pour shores...we had the luxury of enough warning to call up the militia, organize them and repulse the enemy face-to-face.  We could if necessary, wear any enemy down by the sheer nature of our topography.
  Today, an ICBM or fleet of stealth bombers or a "dirty valise" placed to blow in a subway or on Times Square doesn't allow that same time luxury.  We no longer can afford to be ISOLATIONISTS !
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     The Taliban and other Islamofacists are envious and hateful of our freedom..so they attacked us because of who we are.
   Saying we caused the murderous attack of 9/11...is like blaming an attractive woman for her own rape..she shouldn't have been so attractive....real logic..yeah, right, Islamofacist logic !
 
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2011, 04:57:34 PM »
Words of wisdom from Jefferson for sure & would be great to follow, which the Nation has not of late. But Jefferson would not justify 911 because we have mettled, that leap cannot be logically made.
Kinda reminds me of modern society blaming the way a person was mistreated as the cause of a nut killing a bunch of people & making the murderer the victum, same thing.

There is nothing that justifies 9/11 but the reality is we are dealing with stone age animals. Our foreign policy of military bases around the world and picking sides with Israel causes us to be seen as the oppressor by these animals. If we had stayed out of every other country's business for the last 100 years or so I can guarantee you 9/11 would not have happened. Our country has made the choice to not follow the principles of Jefferson and we paid the ultimate price for it.

People like Ron Paul understand this and he's not afraid to say it. It's not a popular thing to say, it's much easier to say things like "we're gonna get those ragheads" than it is to look at the truth of why things happened the way they did. Jefferson warned us of the consequences of having our current foreign policy over 200 years ago, he was a student of history and knew exactly what can happen if you decide to ignore it.
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2011, 05:00:23 PM »
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You really think that's why they haven't attacked Switzerland?   ;D
I sure see alot of dancin here ;) ;D

If that isn't why then why don't you enlighten us with some words of wisdom as to why Muslims don't attack Switzerland.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

---- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783