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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2011, 05:09:24 PM »
DB says;
  " If we had stayed out of every other country's business for the last 100 years or so I can guarantee you 9/11 would not have happened. Our country has made the choice to not follow the principles of Jefferson and we paid the ultimate price for it".
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  I certainly could never feel confident attempting to GUARANTEE that the Islamofacists would never attack us !  Totolatarian regimes..Hitler, Mousolini, Pol Pot, Stalin, Alexander,  and especially the muslims are by nature ..expansonists !!
  The Muslims started their march as soon as their belief system was founded in the 600s.They left Medina and spread throughout the mideast, near east and N Africa..mostly by force of arms.  By the same force of arms they took Jerusalem and Constantinople, renaming it Istambul.
  Then they moved into Europe..nobnody invited them in..trhey ran roughshod over various European countries. Thanks to Charles Martel (Charles the Hammer)..they were stopped short at the Battle of Tours (732)..and run out of Europe. No European country had either noticed or bothered the Muslims before that date; the Muslims attacked in spite of that fact !
  Many of them, Ahmadinijad among others already having said they want to set up a "worldwide Caliphate"..  Sooner or later they would have attacked, no matter what we did ....
  Then they crossed into Europe
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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2011, 05:18:36 PM »
True, there are no guarantees in life. Our foreign policy definitely inspires hatred from our enemies, though. We're their number one enemy. If they're indeed bent on expansionism they'd be starting in their own backyard by attacking neighboring countries rather than us. Because we've long been in their backyard by choice they came after us first.
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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2011, 05:26:01 PM »
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You really think that's why they haven't attacked Switzerland?   ;D
I sure see alot of dancin here ;) ;D

If that isn't why then why don't you enlighten us with some words of wisdom as to why Muslims don't attack Switzerland.
Should I add Tibet to that discussion? ;D
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« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2011, 02:02:53 AM »
True, there are no guarantees in life. Our foreign policy definitely inspires hatred from our enemies, though. We're their number one enemy. If they're indeed bent on expansionism they'd be starting in their own backyard by attacking neighboring countries rather than us. Because we've long been in their backyard by choice they came after us first.
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  Let's look at the situation..they are expansionist, if they can expand without war they will do it !  If it requires warfare ...so be it !   Yes, even in neighboring countries..as I explained, their expansion started in thearea of Medina and spread from there...mideast, near east, then north Africa.
  Consider the formation of Pakistan and Bangladesh..    They couldn't take and hold Jerusalem...but they are still struggling to gain even that small (comparatively) sliver of land...
  Look at the map; Islam started in one city in what is today Saudi Arabia.. can you conceptualize the expansionist spread of Islam ?  It's very easy to trace...  It went as described..now pressing into sub-Saharan Africa..
  Note that tiny, red sliver called Israel..the Islamofacists are so warlike and envious that they may well plunge the whiole world into a world war, through their avarice and hate.
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« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2011, 07:03:03 AM »
While Islam expands their Religion, Judaism expands their stranglehold on international finance,news media, entertainment and political institutions
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« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2011, 11:35:23 AM »
While Islam expands their Religion, Judaism expands their stranglehold on international finance,news media, entertainment and political institutions
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  Totally a matter of opinion..
  Of course they were accused of that in the 1930s..many were starved, experimented upon, worked to death and gassed, while usable parts of their bodies salvaged.
  Most of them were not rich, influential, celebrities or political..but they were all treated the same..simply because they were Jews.
   The Diary of Anne Frank is probably more typical of most who were liquidated..nobody important or rich...just Jews..
 
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  Ishmaelites ARE expansionist;
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/al-qaedas-affiliates-in-africa-working-side-by-side/2011/09/14/gIQAVSHOSK_blog.html
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« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2011, 05:35:05 PM »
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You really think that's why they haven't attacked Switzerland?   ;D
I sure see alot of dancin here ;) ;D

If that isn't why then why don't you enlighten us with some words of wisdom as to why Muslims don't attack Switzerland.
Should I add Tibet to that discussion? ;D

You must be looking in the mirror watching yourself dance.
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« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2011, 05:55:56 PM »
ironglow,

I'm a Christian who doesn't hate Israel. I understand we're dealing with crazy lunatics, too. I understand they are expansionist, the same could be said about Christians centuries ago. What I'm trying to say is that Israel can easily deal with these lunatics without our help. Our picking sides with them is what puts the big target on America in the eyes of these crazed lunatics. As long as we keep alliances like these we will always have a target on our back. There is no way we can kill all of these lunatics, especially with conventional warfare. It's an exercise in futility never mind the cost of good American lives and huge amounts of taxpayer dollars. We need to protect our own borders and get out of the rest of the world.

In the last 80 years we have been given a template on how to win wars (WWII won with nukes) and a template on how to lose wars (Korea lost with limited conventional warfare, Vietnam lost with limited conventional warfare). Do you honestly believe we are somehow going to win with our current strategy? It seems to me the right strategy would be to get out of their part of the world and mind our own business. We would save the lives of good soldiers that we haven't yet lost and save lots of taxpayer dollars.
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« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2011, 06:15:17 PM »
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You really think that's why they haven't attacked Switzerland?   ;D
I sure see alot of dancin here ;) ;D

If that isn't why then why don't you enlighten us with some words of wisdom as to why Muslims don't attack Switzerland.
Should I add Tibet to that discussion? ;D

You must be looking in the mirror watching yourself dance.

It took you 24 hours to come up with that, wow! ;D
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« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2011, 06:18:33 PM »
In tonights debate, Ron Paul told an outright lie.  Paul stated that Perry raised his taxes 100 percent. That is completely wrong I live just north of Paul's district and no "taxes" have been raised
Gov. Rick Perry says he has a track record of not raising taxes
source: http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/nov/01/rick-perry/gov-rick-perry-says-he-has-track-record-not-raisin/
Gov. Rick Perry says he's not overlooking any means of closing the state's widely expected revenue shortfall — except higher taxes, according to an Oct. 15 interview with the Texas Tribune.

 "I think for anybody to stand up here and say categorically there's not going to be this or there's not going to be that —" Perry started, before Evan Smith of the Tribune edged in: "Well, you said it with taxes."

 Perry's response: "Well, but I've got a track record of that too. We don't raise taxes."

 Later, Smith asked: "So you don't believe that at any time that anybody reasonably could look over the last 10 years and identify anything where a tax went up?" Perry agreed.

 We wondered whether Perry had accurately recited his track record as governor.

 After asking his campaign to elaborate, we took up a basic question: Has Perry signed tax hikes into law?

 Boy howdy, yes.

 Since becoming governor in late 2000, Perry has signed into law higher taxes on fireworks and cigarettes while also ushering into place a change in business taxation, according to the state comptroller's office.

 To get a handle on tax changes made early in Perry's governorship, we consulted a 2004 report from the comptroller's office that details the history of revenue-related bills that have become law from 1972 through 2003. Some notables from 2001, Perry's first legislative session as governor, and 2003:

 * House Bill 3667, which Perry signed into law on June 16, 2001, enacting a 2 percent tax on the retail sale of fireworks to help fund a rural volunteer fire department insurance fund. The new levy was projected to generate $848,000 over the next two years; it ended up raising about $1.4 million in that period.

 * Senate Bill 5, which Perry signed into law June 15, 2001, creating the Texas Emissions Reduction Plan Fund as part of an effort to help reduce emissions of nitrogen oxides, which are air pollutants. Revenue for the fund was generated through "several new charges," including a tax of 1 percent on the purchase or rental of diesel equipment.

 * House Bill 1365, signed by the governor on June 22, 2003, made tweaks in the emissions reduction fund to bring in more money. With the changes, the report says, the impact to the fund was projected to be $234.9 million in 2004-05.

 Austin consultant Billy Hamilton, who served as deputy comptroller under state Comptrollers John Sharp and Carole Keeton Strayhorn, told us that he doesn't think there was a tax increase per se in 2003. "There were, however, several fee increases, and one school of thought is that fee is another word for tax," he said.

 We gauged Perry's tax record from 2004 to the present from other sources, including news articles and agency communications.

 In 2004, before a special legislative session, Perry laid out a plan to cut local school property taxes while generating new revenue in several ways, including through a $1-a-pack increase in cigarette taxes, a fee on admissions to topless bars, a statewide business property tax, and the closure of loopholes enabling some taxpayers to avoid the state's franchise and motor vehicle taxes, according to an April 2004 press release from his office. The plan went nowhere.

 Lawmakers returned to the school finance topic in a 2006 special session, engineering a tax overhaul that reduced local school property taxes. To help districts offset the loss of revenue, the Legislature revamped the franchise tax, increased the cigarette tax and modified how the state taxes used-car purchases. Perry signed the overhaul legislation into law in May 2006.

 A key goal of the new franchise tax, often called the margins tax, was to apply it to companies that had largely avoided the old corporate franchise tax. As expected at the time, businesses paid more in total after the overhaul of the franchise tax than before, although less than was forecast. Franchise tax revenue had totaled $5.8 billion in 2006 and 2007. In 2008 and 2009, the first two years of the revised tax, total revenue was $8.7 billion.

 However, the 2006 changes didn't affect all businesses the same way, said Dale Craymer, president of the Texas Taxpayers and Research Association, which represents several hundred largely Texas-based businesses and legal and accounting firms. Because of the property tax reductions, some saw their taxes drop. Others had increases, he said.

 The $1-a-pack increase in cigarette taxes proposed by Perry in 2004 also was part of the 2006 tax changes; the $1.41-a-pack tax took effect in 2007. These increases alone generated $707 million in fiscal 2007 and $908 million in fiscal 2008.

 Lastly, the package required that the sale of used cars be taxed on a standard value "rather than trusting sellers to report the true sales price," according to a May 15, 2006 news article from The Associated Press. The additional revenue from that change was $20.8 million for 2007 and 2008.

 Three tax increases? Sure. However, Perry has stressed that the 2006 increases shouldn't be counted against him because the cuts in local property taxes set in motion by lawmakers were bigger. Told by Smith on Oct. 15 that some people consider the franchise tax change to be an increase, Perry replied: "That was a net tax decrease."

 Craymer has a similar view. In an e-mail, he told us that the franchise tax change was a part of a package of bills "that raised some taxes (franchise, cigarette, motor vehicle sales taxes) and lowered others (property tax) by much more." Craymer shared a document with us based on the 2006 estimates of the impact of the tax changes; for each year from 2007 to 2011, it shows the property tax reductions as greater than the revenue generated by the other taxes.

 "The new (franchise) tax never would have passed without the property tax cuts, so I don’t think it’s correct to try to look at it independently of the property tax cut," he said.

 Like Craymer, Americans for Tax Reform, a Washington-based group that collects pledges by officeholders and seekers not to raise taxes, says it doesn't consider tax swaps to violate the pledge. Spokesman Patrick Gleason told us the group's definition of a tax increase depends on the impact of a law. "If it's revenue neutral or a net cut, that doesn't violate the pledge," he said.

 On Oct. 1, 2009, Perry signed the group's pledge for governors, which says that signatories will "oppose and veto any and all efforts to increase taxes." Gleason said Perry hadn't previously signed the pledge.

 Tobacco users were hit again in 2009, when the Legislature decided to tax smokeless tobacco on weight rather than price, "generating additional revenue of $105 million over two years," according to a May 28, 2009 Dallas Morning News news article. According to a December 2009 report from the Legislative Budget Board, some of the new revenue helps repay medical-school loans for doctors who agree to practice in underserved areas of the state. The rest was to be used to help offset franchise tax revenue that was lost when the Legislature temporarily exempted 40,000 businesses.

 Another tax that has jumped recently is the unemployment tax, which businesses pay quarterly to the Texas Workforce Commission to replenish the trust fund that "provides unemployment insurance for Texas workers who lose their jobs through no fault of their own," according to a Dec. 8, 2009 news release from the commission. Each year, the commission, whose members are appointed by Perry, sets a rate; it goes up if the balance in the trust fund is below a statutory level as of Oct. 1.

 According to a July 2009 news article in the Austin American-Statesman, "unemployment taxes rise and fall with the economy, and, in fact, the tax rate fell steadily in Texas between 2004 and 2008." However, the rate rose in 2009 and 2010, largely because of the impact of the economic downturn. In 2010, the increase in the minimum tax rate meant that most Texas employers would pay $64.80 per employee, compared with $23.40 the previous year.

 Craymer told us that the unemployment tax rate "is set automatically based on the balance in the fund and is independent of any gubernatorial action."

 We asked Hamilton about the big picture: Does he see tax increases during Perry's tenure? He said that depends on a person's perspective. "There were significant tax increases for some taxpayers in 2006 with the cigarette tax and margin tax changes," he said. "However, these are said to have been offset by reductions in school property taxes. In aggregate, that's true, but revenue neutrality is in the eye of the beholder. Some people wound up paying less, but some are paying more."

 We never heard back from Perry on his tax track record.

 Upshot: Legislation, reports, news articles and expert analysis show that Perry has signed about half a dozen tax increases into law, including the three 2006 changes intended to help cover cuts in school property taxes.

 Texans paying more thanks to Perry's signature on tax-increase measures include companies with higher business taxes, plus cigarette smokers and purchasers of smokeless tobacco, fireworks and diesel equipment.

 We rate the statement False.
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« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2011, 06:20:49 PM »
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You really think that's why they haven't attacked Switzerland?   ;D
I sure see alot of dancin here ;) ;D

If that isn't why then why don't you enlighten us with some words of wisdom as to why Muslims don't attack Switzerland.
Should I add Tibet to that discussion? ;D

You must be looking in the mirror watching yourself dance.

It took you 24 hours to come up with that, wow! ;D

I'm still waiting for you to enlighten us but it looks like you're a dancin' machine!
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« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2011, 06:29:36 PM »
Looks like you don't understand the term, I can't help that. It would mean you are dancin around the issue, as in not having the ability to defend something.
I don't have anything to defend in this tread. You are attempting to defend your position with Mr. Paul, but ran out of ammo. Go back to where the term was first used by me, I don't have time to tuitor you on this site.
 
Go to something meaningful if you can.
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« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2011, 06:41:55 PM »
I told you my position on Switzerland, instead of debating me head on you took the typical liberal tactic of ducking and dodging my question and trying to dismiss my question as foolish. I'll give you one more chance to man up and answer the question:

Why is it that Muslim's don't attack Switzerland, a neutral country that is 80% Christian?

My guess is that you can't handle the truth of that question so you'd rather make a lame attempt at trying to belittle me. Anyone with half a brain can see through your silly games.
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« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2011, 06:58:19 PM »
In tonights debate, Ron Paul told an outright lie.  Paul stated that Perry raised his taxes 100 percent. That is completely wrong I live just north of Paul's district and no "taxes" have been raised
Gov. Rick Perry says he has a track record of not raising taxes
source: http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/nov/01/rick-perry/gov-rick-perry-says-he-has-track-record-not-raisin/
Gov. Rick Perry says he's not overlooking any means of closing the state's widely expected revenue shortfall — except higher taxes, according to an Oct. 15 interview with the Texas Tribune.

 "I think for anybody to stand up here and say categorically there's not going to be this or there's not going to be that —" Perry started, before Evan Smith of the Tribune edged in: "Well, you said it with taxes."

 Perry's response: "Well, but I've got a track record of that too. We don't raise taxes."

 Later, Smith asked: "So you don't believe that at any time that anybody reasonably could look over the last 10 years and identify anything where a tax went up?" Perry agreed.

 We wondered whether Perry had accurately recited his track record as governor.

 After asking his campaign to elaborate, we took up a basic question: Has Perry signed tax hikes into law?

 Boy howdy, yes.

 Since becoming governor in late 2000, Perry has signed into law higher taxes on fireworks and cigarettes while also ushering into place a change in business taxation, according to the state comptroller's office.

 To get a handle on tax changes made early in Perry's governorship, we consulted a 2004 report from the comptroller's office that details the history of revenue-related bills that have become law from 1972 through 2003. Some notables from 2001, Perry's first legislative session as governor, and 2003:

 * House Bill 3667, which Perry signed into law on June 16, 2001, enacting a 2 percent tax on the retail sale of fireworks to help fund a rural volunteer fire department insurance fund. The new levy was projected to generate $848,000 over the next two years; it ended up raising about $1.4 million in that period.

 * Senate Bill 5, which Perry signed into law June 15, 2001, creating the Texas Emissions Reduction Plan Fund as part of an effort to help reduce emissions of nitrogen oxides, which are air pollutants. Revenue for the fund was generated through "several new charges," including a tax of 1 percent on the purchase or rental of diesel equipment.

 * House Bill 1365, signed by the governor on June 22, 2003, made tweaks in the emissions reduction fund to bring in more money. With the changes, the report says, the impact to the fund was projected to be $234.9 million in 2004-05.

 Austin consultant Billy Hamilton, who served as deputy comptroller under state Comptrollers John Sharp and Carole Keeton Strayhorn, told us that he doesn't think there was a tax increase per se in 2003. "There were, however, several fee increases, and one school of thought is that fee is another word for tax," he said.

 We gauged Perry's tax record from 2004 to the present from other sources, including news articles and agency communications.

 In 2004, before a special legislative session, Perry laid out a plan to cut local school property taxes while generating new revenue in several ways, including through a $1-a-pack increase in cigarette taxes, a fee on admissions to topless bars, a statewide business property tax, and the closure of loopholes enabling some taxpayers to avoid the state's franchise and motor vehicle taxes, according to an April 2004 press release from his office. The plan went nowhere.

 Lawmakers returned to the school finance topic in a 2006 special session, engineering a tax overhaul that reduced local school property taxes. To help districts offset the loss of revenue, the Legislature revamped the franchise tax, increased the cigarette tax and modified how the state taxes used-car purchases. Perry signed the overhaul legislation into law in May 2006.

 A key goal of the new franchise tax, often called the margins tax, was to apply it to companies that had largely avoided the old corporate franchise tax. As expected at the time, businesses paid more in total after the overhaul of the franchise tax than before, although less than was forecast. Franchise tax revenue had totaled $5.8 billion in 2006 and 2007. In 2008 and 2009, the first two years of the revised tax, total revenue was $8.7 billion.

 However, the 2006 changes didn't affect all businesses the same way, said Dale Craymer, president of the Texas Taxpayers and Research Association, which represents several hundred largely Texas-based businesses and legal and accounting firms. Because of the property tax reductions, some saw their taxes drop. Others had increases, he said.

 The $1-a-pack increase in cigarette taxes proposed by Perry in 2004 also was part of the 2006 tax changes; the $1.41-a-pack tax took effect in 2007. These increases alone generated $707 million in fiscal 2007 and $908 million in fiscal 2008.

 Lastly, the package required that the sale of used cars be taxed on a standard value "rather than trusting sellers to report the true sales price," according to a May 15, 2006 news article from The Associated Press. The additional revenue from that change was $20.8 million for 2007 and 2008.

 Three tax increases? Sure. However, Perry has stressed that the 2006 increases shouldn't be counted against him because the cuts in local property taxes set in motion by lawmakers were bigger. Told by Smith on Oct. 15 that some people consider the franchise tax change to be an increase, Perry replied: "That was a net tax decrease."

 Craymer has a similar view. In an e-mail, he told us that the franchise tax change was a part of a package of bills "that raised some taxes (franchise, cigarette, motor vehicle sales taxes) and lowered others (property tax) by much more." Craymer shared a document with us based on the 2006 estimates of the impact of the tax changes; for each year from 2007 to 2011, it shows the property tax reductions as greater than the revenue generated by the other taxes.

 "The new (franchise) tax never would have passed without the property tax cuts, so I don’t think it’s correct to try to look at it independently of the property tax cut," he said.

 Like Craymer, Americans for Tax Reform, a Washington-based group that collects pledges by officeholders and seekers not to raise taxes, says it doesn't consider tax swaps to violate the pledge. Spokesman Patrick Gleason told us the group's definition of a tax increase depends on the impact of a law. "If it's revenue neutral or a net cut, that doesn't violate the pledge," he said.

 On Oct. 1, 2009, Perry signed the group's pledge for governors, which says that signatories will "oppose and veto any and all efforts to increase taxes." Gleason said Perry hadn't previously signed the pledge.

 Tobacco users were hit again in 2009, when the Legislature decided to tax smokeless tobacco on weight rather than price, "generating additional revenue of $105 million over two years," according to a May 28, 2009 Dallas Morning News news article. According to a December 2009 report from the Legislative Budget Board, some of the new revenue helps repay medical-school loans for doctors who agree to practice in underserved areas of the state. The rest was to be used to help offset franchise tax revenue that was lost when the Legislature temporarily exempted 40,000 businesses.

 Another tax that has jumped recently is the unemployment tax, which businesses pay quarterly to the Texas Workforce Commission to replenish the trust fund that "provides unemployment insurance for Texas workers who lose their jobs through no fault of their own," according to a Dec. 8, 2009 news release from the commission. Each year, the commission, whose members are appointed by Perry, sets a rate; it goes up if the balance in the trust fund is below a statutory level as of Oct. 1.

 According to a July 2009 news article in the Austin American-Statesman, "unemployment taxes rise and fall with the economy, and, in fact, the tax rate fell steadily in Texas between 2004 and 2008." However, the rate rose in 2009 and 2010, largely because of the impact of the economic downturn. In 2010, the increase in the minimum tax rate meant that most Texas employers would pay $64.80 per employee, compared with $23.40 the previous year.

 Craymer told us that the unemployment tax rate "is set automatically based on the balance in the fund and is independent of any gubernatorial action."

 We asked Hamilton about the big picture: Does he see tax increases during Perry's tenure? He said that depends on a person's perspective. "There were significant tax increases for some taxpayers in 2006 with the cigarette tax and margin tax changes," he said. "However, these are said to have been offset by reductions in school property taxes. In aggregate, that's true, but revenue neutrality is in the eye of the beholder. Some people wound up paying less, but some are paying more."

 We never heard back from Perry on his tax track record.

 Upshot: Legislation, reports, news articles and expert analysis show that Perry has signed about half a dozen tax increases into law, including the three 2006 changes intended to help cover cuts in school property taxes.

 Texans paying more thanks to Perry's signature on tax-increase measures include companies with higher business taxes, plus cigarette smokers and purchasers of smokeless tobacco, fireworks and diesel equipment.

 We rate the statement False.

And I rate Paul's statement false until he shows he had to pay 100percent more State Taxes & by showing that in his returns could help Mr. Paul & hurt Perry big time, enough to do the job.
 
Remember, I said that in reference to his taxes only if you look at my OP concerning his statement, but it appears some want to make it more than that.
 
When Heather said your bus. taxes in TX. went up, I had no reason to dispute that, you should know. And, it is obvious by your own report that some businesses were affected & some not. Who knows if the aggragate will be lower.
 
I do know this, if the cost of doing business VIA taxes went way up, then it should be brought up &  the Media hates him, so it would be a near impossibility to hide it with eager Libs searching. Just no way to hide it.
 
I talked to a business Man & rancher today, he has about 20,000 acres & a rep for a large equipment company, his taxes did not go up. I also talked to a Ind. Equipment Supplier, about 750 Million in sales I think & he did not see the problem. This is 2 of several in TX that I have talked to lately about this. It is possible that they are the lucky ones that were not targeted as you post mentioned.
Come to think of it, I have not talked to smokers, that same crap has happened in my State, I think in most, I don't like those taxes, but easy for the smoker to solve.
 
I have some different issues with Perry, the same that I have seen brought up on this forum, so it is not looking good for me voting for him anyway.
 
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« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2011, 05:16:11 AM »
In the last 80 years we have been given a template on how to win wars (WWII won with nukes) and a template on how to lose wars (Korea lost with limited conventional warfare, Vietnam lost with limited conventional warfare).
We didn't win WW2 with nukes - we won with the largest economy in the world, and two oceans to protect us while we got spun up to fight a war that played to all our strengths.

since then we've messed around in areas we ought not be in.
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« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2011, 11:24:41 AM »
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since then we've messed around in areas we ought not be in.

 
and the list gets longer :(
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« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2011, 11:33:54 AM »
While Islam expands their Religion, Judaism expands their stranglehold on international finance,news media, entertainment and political institutions

so, what are some of these strangleheld institutions.  you know, company names etc.
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« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2011, 11:58:49 AM »
I don't like Ron Paul either.
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« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2011, 05:15:01 PM »
I told you my position on Switzerland, instead of debating me head on you took the typical liberal tactic of ducking and dodging my question and trying to dismiss my question as foolish. I'll give you one more chance to man up and answer the question:

Why is it that Muslim's don't attack Switzerland, a neutral country that is 80% Christian?

My guess is that you can't handle the truth of that question so you'd rather make a lame attempt at trying to belittle me. Anyone with half a brain can see through your silly games.

Trying to battle you, anyone can read the post & get some fun with that!  ;D
 
I can't do anything like a Lib, but you are behaving like one, a little troll like at this point. Your question is quite odd, I have been trying to say that in a nice way, but you won't let me.
 
1.Do they want to blow up their own money that their Arab brothers have? Hmmm
2.And why would Switzerland, with such a small population even enter their mind, 80% Christian, but few people.
3. Why did Hitler leave the Swiss alone? Because the Military price would be large for small benefit, he didn't care how many Christians they had. In other words a big price for small impact,same with Muzzies.
4. Don't forget Chile & other small countries that have alot of Christians too. ::)
 
They just can't get the both the World wide impact (it got everyone's attention)and at the same time the morale boost for their "cause" by hitting the Swiss, Tibet, Greenland, whatever.

NYC is the financial center for the entire World & the World Trade center "was" a great symbol of that. Nowhere in the World could they make a bigger impact.
 
THERE WAS NO BETTER PLACE NOW WAS THERE?
 
Why you did not know this is beyond me but whatever. 
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« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2011, 05:17:05 PM »
In the last 80 years we have been given a template on how to win wars (WWII won with nukes) and a template on how to lose wars (Korea lost with limited conventional warfare, Vietnam lost with limited conventional warfare).
We didn't win WW2 with nukes - we won with the largest economy in the world, and two oceans to protect us while we got spun up to fight a war that played to all our strengths.

since then we've messed around in areas we ought not be in.

Well, the Oceans did help alot.
 
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« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2011, 07:55:34 AM »
That's what a lot of liberals don't understand, and some conservatives too.  America can't sneeze without someone in the world getting a cold.  We are the financial, economic, and military engine that runs the world.  We are like a whirlpool, we spin, and everyone it the world gets sucked in.  Great Britain was like that in the 1800's.  We are an empire to the world, but a republic at home.  We trade with almost everyone.  They depend on our trade for their survival.  A good president knows this and uses it to America's advantage.  Reagan knew how to do this and helped bring down the Soviet Union.  Roosevelt (FDR) knew this too, and prepaired for WWII with the lend lease to England and allowed us to build new ships, and military weapons because he knew we would eventually get sucked into WWII.  American's want to be isolationists (Ron Paul types), but we are so big, we cannot.  Obama is a novice and Muslim sympathiser and is creating a dangerous world for the next president to deal with.  A good president can use diplomacy to pit two or more countries against each other to our advantage.  Keeping their focus off us.  After the Cold War, all the world's focus was on us as the lone superpower.  Muslim extremists wanted to bring us down like they thought they did with the Soviet Union in Afganistan.  They got us sucked into the wars we are in.  If we had taken their threats seriously, 9-11 would not have happened. 

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« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2011, 05:05:14 PM »
Doublebass asks;
    " Why is it that Muslim's don't attack Switzerland, a neutral country that is 80% Christian"?
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   Since Doublebass asks, I'll try to give an answer;
 
      The answer of why the Muslims don't attack Switzerland is historical, logistical and GEOGRAPHICAL...so Let me refer to maps again..
    First the map with the record of Muslim expansion.  Please note, Islam started what is today Saudi Arabia in the 7th century, expanding in all directions  by both conversion and the sword....  Really an even, steady expansion..going out from central Saudi Arabia, huh ? 
  They crossed the Bosporus into eastern Europe(Serbia, Albanis, Bulgaria)..that's why we had a fracas in Boznia-Herzgovina, just 2 decades ago.
    Next we go to the map of Europe..The Ishmaelites decided to conquer Europe and pushed from Nort African Muslim countries..across the straights of Gibraltar into Spain & France....until "Charles the Hammer", hammered their butts at Tours.
  Today they are starting their insurrections in France , Spain & the UK..because they have penetrated those societies and are ready to start their struggle for domination.
   Switzerland never brought in hordes of them, so they don't face the same clandestine opportunities for usurpation.  The other way would be outright attack and invasion...but Switzerland, in it's mountain fastness is surrounded by other west European countries whic would 'frown' upon a Muslim invasion.
  One reason they attack us is because until 2-3 years ago, the US was a huge bulwark, a stumbling block to Islamic  expansionism..and they hate us for it.    That's my two pennies..take it or toss it !
 
   
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« Reply #52 on: September 18, 2011, 01:14:20 PM »
A great deal of the trouble with Islam is simply ignorance. Where many people are illiterate they naturally believe whatever some cleric tells them. Sorta like the way many people here believe whatever the TV talking heads tell them. But there is no denying that U.S. foreign policy for the past century has given many people good cause to hate us.
 Someone way back in this thread said we only entered the Mid-East to "keep the peace". Give me a break! We've bombed Iraq back to the stone age TWICE! And now we are a foreign occupying power in Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you think we're making friends there? Do you believe that occupying two Islamic nations makes Muslims love us? Good grief, what talking head have you been listening to? "They hate us because of our freedom"? That's a Sean Hannity line and is just plain stupid. They don't give a rat's fart what we do here, they hate us for what we do THERE! And no rational person could blame them for hating us.
  Certainly nothing justifies the attack of 9-11 and the murder of 3,000 people. But how many have U.S. forces killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?  Millions? Oh but that's different because---  Because they aren't Americans?
  I see 9-11 sorta like this.  If I ignore the warning sign, climb a fence and taunt the pit bull until it finally attacks, well yes, it is the dog's fault and it probably will be destroyed as a vicious animal. But I can't pretend I didn't ask for it.
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Re: Perry gets very pushy and angry with Ron Paul.
« Reply #53 on: September 18, 2011, 03:07:41 PM »
Re OP: Perry is just another political talking head and off the board for a Pres run as far as I judge. That means nothing I know. ear
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« Reply #54 on: September 18, 2011, 04:03:07 PM »
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1.Do they want to blow up their own money that their Arab brothers have? Hmmm
2.And why would Switzerland, with such a small population even enter their mind, 80% Christian, but few people.
3. Why did Hitler leave the Swiss alone? Because the Military price would be large for small benefit, he didn't care how many Christians they had. In other words a big price for small impact,same with Muzzies.
4. Don't forget Chile & other small countries that have alot of Christians too. ::)

I'd buy your argument if not for the fact that the muzzies have attacked Spain, a Christian nation with a small (although larger than Switzerland and slightly larger than your foolish sarcastic example of Chile) population. The bottom line is that countries that stay out of middle eastern business don't get attacked by muslims on the scale of what we had to deal with on 9/11.

You ought to read and reread coyotejoe's excellent post above. He summed it up very nicely.
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« Reply #55 on: September 18, 2011, 04:11:01 PM »
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1.Do they want to blow up their own money that their Arab brothers have? Hmmm
2.And why would Switzerland, with such a small population even enter their mind, 80% Christian, but few people.
3. Why did Hitler leave the Swiss alone? Because the Military price would be large for small benefit, he didn't care how many Christians they had. In other words a big price for small impact,same with Muzzies.
4. Don't forget Chile & other small countries that have alot of Christians too. ::)

I'd buy your argument if not for the fact that the muzzies have attacked Spain, a Christian nation with a small (although larger than Switzerland and slightly larger than your foolish sarcastic example of Chile) population. The bottom line is that countries that stay out of middle eastern business don't get attacked by muslims on the scale of what we had to deal with on 9/11.

You ought to read and reread coyotejoe's excellent post above. He summed it up very nicely.

Spain has a large Muzzie pop. within, Chile does not, I guess you forgot that.
Not was not the main point at all.
 
Left something out didn't ya, hmmm
 
Why did you omit the rest of my post, where I actually answered your question?
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« Reply #56 on: September 18, 2011, 04:14:39 PM »
I told you my position on Switzerland, instead of debating me head on you took the typical liberal tactic of ducking and dodging my question and trying to dismiss my question as foolish. I'll give you one more chance to man up and answer the question:

Why is it that Muslim's don't attack Switzerland, a neutral country that is 80% Christian?

My guess is that you can't handle the truth of that question so you'd rather make a lame attempt at trying to belittle me. Anyone with half a brain can see through your silly games.

Trying to battle you, anyone can read the post & get some fun with that!  ;D
 
I can't do anything like a Lib, but you are behaving like one, a little troll like at this point. Your question is quite odd, I have been trying to say that in a nice way, but you won't let me.
 
1.Do they want to blow up their own money that their Arab brothers have? Hmmm
2.And why would Switzerland, with such a small population even enter their mind, 80% Christian, but few people.
3. Why did Hitler leave the Swiss alone? Because the Military price would be large for small benefit, he didn't care how many Christians they had. In other words a big price for small impact,same with Muzzies.
4. Don't forget Chile & other small countries that have alot of Christians too. ::)
 
They just can't get the both the World wide impact (it got everyone's attention)and at the same time the morale boost for their "cause" by hitting the Swiss, Tibet, Greenland, whatever.

NYC is the financial center for the entire World & the World Trade center "was" a great symbol of that. Nowhere in the World could they make a bigger impact.
 
THERE WAS NO BETTER PLACE NOW WAS THERE?
 
Why you did not know this is beyond me but whatever.

There, there's the rest & Chile has more Christians than Switzerland BTW
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« Reply #57 on: September 18, 2011, 05:16:48 PM »
I too owned a small business in Houston Tx.   I sold it two years ago. My over all tax bill was static   As I understand it Mr Paul is not active in his medical practice, so does he even have a business in Texas?

I wonder then how Ron Paul's tax bill went up a 100%. While no one Else's did?  We don't have a income tax,  our ad valorem taxes are controlled my the county and local school board, not the state.

He lied. But that's politics.

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« Reply #58 on: September 18, 2011, 05:28:10 PM »
Then why does Ron Paul want Iran to have the Nuclear Bombs??  An American student of history knows this would not be in our best interest. Giving a loaded gun to an out of control child makes no sense at all. :(

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« Reply #59 on: September 19, 2011, 02:45:19 AM »
Then why does Ron Paul want Iran to have the Nuclear Bombs??  An American student of history knows this would not be in our best interest. Giving a loaded gun to an out of control child makes no sense at all. :(
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