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Offline Ridge Runner

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Cleaned my Ruger Blackhawk and reinstalled the cylinder. Inserted the cylinder pin. It was a little tough going in, but it seems fully inserted. Now my Blackhawk is locked up tight and I am struggleing to remove the cylinder pin.
 
Any advice? It was almost always tough going back in. Am I not doing something right????

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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2011, 04:21:06 PM »
When you say it's "locked up tight", do you mean that you can't draw the hammer back and it won't index?  If so, and it's a NEW model Blackhawk, you've probably lost the spring loaded pin on the end of your cylinder pin and it's not pushing back on the transfer bar.  If the transfer bar is laying flat against the back side of the recoil shield, then when it advances upward upon cocking, it binds against the firing pin and makes it feel as if the gun is "locked up tight". 

I think you need to define "locked up tight" in order to get a better answer if haven't hit the right area in which you are having troubles.

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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2011, 06:44:34 PM »
Blackhawks tend to be hard to get the base pin in straight. The pin will feel like it is going in alright but it jams before it seats all the way. When it does that you have to back it off, try to get the cyl. as straight as possible and go for it again. If you forced the base pin when it wasn't lined up you probably do have it locked up pretty good. You now need to get the base pin back out. Good luck, hopefully you didn't force it too much and bend it. 

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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2011, 03:13:19 AM »
Just a guess.
You have a worn or aftermarket low power hammer spring which did not fully return the hammer to full forward position.  It is almost imperceptable.  Push the hammer spur forward that last bit of travel and see what you get.
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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2011, 03:18:02 AM »
Check to make sure the pin is in the correct relatio with the bbl. there is a cut out on the flange that allowes the pin to rest next to the bbl. if this is not in the correct place it will put pressure in the pin to move sideways and lock up the cyl.
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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2011, 11:58:59 AM »
When you say it's "locked up tight", do you mean that you can't draw the hammer back and it won't index?  If so, and it's a NEW model Blackhawk, you've probably lost the spring loaded pin on the end of your cylinder pin and it's not pushing back on the transfer bar.  If the transfer bar is laying flat against the back side of the recoil shield, then when it advances upward upon cocking, it binds against the firing pin and makes it feel as if the gun is "locked up tight". 

I think you need to define "locked up tight" in order to get a better answer if haven't hit the right area in which you are having troubles.

I can not draw the hammer back and it will not index.

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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2011, 01:06:32 PM »
Can you take the main cylinder pin back out of the gun?
If you can do this, then take the cylinder pin and cylinder out and try pointing the revolver UPWARD and then draw the hammer back.  Watch the transfer bar and how it works.  If you point the gun downward, the transfer bar will lock against the firing pin. 

Now that you've seen this, put the cylinder back in and install the cylinder pin.  Point the gun upward and draw the hammer back.  Then try it pointing downward.  If it works pointing upward but not downward, then the pin on the end of your cylinder pin has either been broken off or jammed into the socket.  It is no longer pushing on the transfer bar back far enough and the transfer bar is not clearing the firing pin.

If what I've described seems to be your problem, then all you need to do is buy a new cylinder pin. 

If this doesn't make any sense and isn't remotely close to the problems that you're having, then I don't know what to tell you.  I think a gunsmith might be the next step.  Sometimes it's hard to describe a problem in words without SHOWING someone what is wrong.   ???

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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2011, 03:07:11 PM »
I'am with shootall on this one. You can't hardly turn the rod if you want to but somehow they get turned when they are out the whole way.Its about as easy to just take ejector off  if the rods tight

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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2011, 05:51:05 PM »
I had the same thing happen to me that wild willy described. Took a while to get it back out. Reinstalled it and everything was fine.

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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2011, 05:50:43 AM »
I can't imagine getting a cylinder pin in ALL THE WAY with it turned and the barrel cut out in the wrong position.  I guess it can happen though.  If so, prepare for a nice scratch down the barrel when you remove it.

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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2011, 05:57:20 AM »
It dosen't go in all the way . With the taper bbl it hangs up almost in .
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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2011, 06:37:40 AM »
Lay a strip of tape down the barrel so you wont scratch it
Take some bike inner tube and a small vice grip to grasp the pin without marring it (do not adjust the Vise grip too tight)
Tap the vise grip with a small 'rapping' hammer to bonk the pin back out
Inspect as per the above suggestions
Reassemble while keeping in mind that on a gun, if you have to force it, it aint right
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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2011, 12:39:30 PM »
Checkout this thread.  Response #6 is the best suggestion and the most likely scenerio.

http://rugerforum.net/ruger-single-action/36011-help-i-just-bought-yesterday-ruger-blackhawk-45-long-colt-base-pin-stuck.html

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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2011, 03:30:11 PM »
I managed to pull the pin out with much force and little damage. Now it just glides in and out with no problems :o :o
 
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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2011, 04:23:35 AM »
Is the cylinder "wiggly" now?

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Re: My Ruger Blackhawk has locked up after reinserting the cylinder pin. Help!
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2011, 03:10:28 AM »
I managed to pull the pin out with much force and little damage. Now it just glides in and out with no problems :o :o
 
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sounds like the bbl cut out was out of place.
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