Author Topic: Lollypop trigger guard on a T/C Hawken (Read 2184 times)

P.A. Myers · « **on:** September 12, 2011, 06:20:04 PM »

I don't like the T/C Hawken or Renegade squareback trigger guards. I would much prefer the ovoid style on some other rifles. Can this be done? CVA has some that look like they could be trimmed to fit. The Lyman guards look [and feel] good, but are too short.

lakota · « **Reply #1 on:** September 13, 2011, 02:18:19 AM »

I dont think it will work. I think that the T/C trigger gaurd is involved with holding the trigger assembly in somehow. The CVA wouldnt work with it. It seems the only solution is to file all the extra "fat" off the T/C trigger gaurd to get it closer to the shape you want.

bubba.50 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 13, 2011, 06:46:58 AM »

i don't like those ugly t/c guards either. i put lyman hawken guards on 2 of my renegades. takes a bit of work gettin' the rear end to work and it ain't a perfect fit but looks and feels much better to me. on one i had to do a bit of filin' on the inside front to clear the little ledge of the triggerplate. for what it's worth and luck to ya friend, bubba.

p.s. : if ya like iron there's a set ya can get that replaces all the brass parts but for some reason they don't make the patchbox.

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #3 on:** September 14, 2011, 04:42:09 PM »

Thanks bubba and lakota,

Lyman Hawken guard? I have seen a few on ebay, I will try this. I'll need 2 blacks and a brass.

I will report back in any case.

P.A.

necchi · « **Reply #4 on:** September 14, 2011, 09:26:41 PM »

lakota's got a point,
In 1990(?) TC changed the front tang screw to a "through stock bolt" that fit's into a threaded hole in the trigger guard. Previous models had two wood screws for the tang.
The change addressed an issue they had with stocks cracking. It wouldn't be a big deal to drill and thread a hole but it is something too consider checking.
A great idea is to get Track of the Wolfs catalog for $10. all of the photo's in the catalog are "actual size",, you can hold your existing piece uptoo a photo and see how it'll fit, or if something can be modified to fit your needs.

Nobade · « **Reply #5 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:14:10 AM »

Go here: http://www.daytraco.com/Products/Four-piece-conversion-kit__F4.aspx

This kit is also sold by Track Of The Wolf and Dixie, and makes your TC look a lot more respectable. For a patchbox, the same suppliers can sell you one that is bigger than the factory TC one so it can be inlet into the buttstock to cover up where the original was.

Hank08 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 15, 2011, 07:40:16 AM »

There's a bunch of different things you can do to get rid of TC guard, including just sawing off the hook. There's an original Hawlen guard made for the TC, The North Carolino southern Mt. guard will work with a little work and one of the Euro rifles has a nice one that's a perfect fit. I've changed many of them. TOW catalog is a big help in finding one.
H08

lakota · « **Reply #7 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:57:54 PM »

I never did care for that hook on the T/C trigger gaurd.

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #8 on:** September 16, 2011, 02:50:38 PM »

I considered removing the hook, but the problem for me is the shape of the back of the guard. Too square.
That iron kit is very interesting. Great help Gentlemen, I will report.

P.A.

lakota · « **Reply #9 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:08:50 PM »

Theres a T/C hawken trigger gaurd for sale on MLF for $20 bucks if you wanted a spare one to experiment with.

http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/pp-classifieds/showproduct.php/product/6870/cat/34

Winter Hawk · « **Reply #10 on:** September 18, 2011, 06:31:10 PM »

I also don't like that little hook, and sawed it off from my Deer Creek Rifle. There was a tiny casting cavity, I just filed the TG smooth and left the hole; it's hardly noticeable.

-WH-

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #11 on:** September 23, 2011, 11:23:54 AM »

Here's the Renegade. I had to expand the inletting for the rear tab a little [dremel tool]. Other than that it fit as-is. It fit perfectly in the front. I'll try the brass one on my Hawken/PennHunter carbine next. Since I can redo the finish on the brass guard I will narrow the rear tab and leave that stock alone.

Everyone, Thanks for your your help. Bubba, your art work is great as are your instructions.

P.A.

lakota · « **Reply #12 on:** September 23, 2011, 01:19:22 PM »

looks good. Better than the hooked gaurd

bubba.50 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 23, 2011, 02:30:24 PM »

looks good

. now, ya know one of yer next rpojects is gonna hafta be puttin' some davis triggers in them jewels doncha

?

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #14 on:** September 30, 2011, 02:46:46 PM »

Here is the Hawken. I only shaped the trigger guard and left the stock alone. I may do a little more shaping on the tab in front of the trigger. Thanks bubba

P.A.

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #15 on:** October 02, 2011, 02:24:19 PM »

Here is a better picture of the Hawken/PenHunter. I tapered the tab in front of the trigger just for looks. I had to trim the spur behind the set trigger. It would not set, it does now.

What is a Davis trigger?

P.A.

bubba.50 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 03, 2011, 11:41:30 AM »

in a #17 track of the wolf catalog it's on page 354 or go to their webpage and look up part# tr-dst-tc it's a more traditional lookin' trigger and in mine and most other's opinions one of the best cheap mods ya can do to a t/c.

as some say-my opinion only your mileage may vary.

p.s. : them guards sure made yer guns look better.

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #17 on:** October 03, 2011, 08:43:27 PM »

I got another black one on evilBay. I will put it on the other Renegade. They do look good and feel good too.

P.A.

Forestclimber · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2011, 05:11:43 PM »

I like the Hawken trigger. Putting my middle finger on the hook part gives me better control (I think).

Winter Hawk · « **Reply #19 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:02:17 AM »

Photo of my Deer Creek Rifle with the "lollypop" removed. I also removed the rear trigger as the trigger pull without being set is just fine, and I didn't see any improvement with the set trigger no matter how I adjusted it.

-WH-

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #20 on:** October 12, 2011, 08:42:36 AM »

Too bad the main trigger isn't adjustable. I really like the single trigger on the NewEnglander and WhiteMountian. They do have a bit of creep. I'll fix that some winter day [or night].

nessmuk101 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 14, 2011, 09:37:52 AM »

I also don't like the hook on the t/c trigger guard either, so a little work with a hacksaw and file and we are done. It looks some what like the Tyrone rifle trigger guard, but the hook no longer catches my coat.

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #22 on:** November 20, 2011, 12:53:38 AM »

Previously, I posted the T/C Hawken that had the oval [lollipop] triggerguard fitted. All it required was some trimming to fit the inletting . Since then I swapped couple of contender barrels for a fine 54 T/C Hawken. I got a oval triggerguard and when I went to install it, surprise! The front tang screw threads into the front guard mount. This is in addition to the usual mounting screw. lakota warned of this in his post. It threads into a blind hole and not visible once installed. Drilling was a little tricky because the screw comes into the surface at about 60 degrees. At least the screw is a 10-32 that I do have the taps for. I did manage to get the angle and depth right and it installed correctly. I have now installed oval guards on two Renegades and two Hawkens and I have only encountered this screw on this 54 Hawken. I don't know why the difference? I got the 50 [without the screw] as a stock with no barrel. The 54 has a warning barrel so it would be a later production. Maybe all 54s have this or maybe all later Hawkens have this, I wonder? However, I testify it can be done. I can now shoot the big bullets with the big loads without smashing my middle finger.

P.A.

Forestclimber · « **Reply #23 on:** November 20, 2011, 01:18:41 AM »

Bubba is right about the Davis trigger. It really makes a difference. The triggers TOW sells can be changed in about five minutes. Very easy. Sell the old trigger on Ebay.

bubba.50 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 20, 2011, 05:24:36 AM »

the screw that holds the leaf spring on the triggerplate is about 1/8inch forward so ya hafta take a thin chip of wood. i used an old thin blade screwdriver and one whack with a tack hammer and it was done. also, the davis already has the hole in the plate so ya can use it on the guns that have the front tang screw like you found on the 54. for what it's worth and have a good'en, bubba.

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #25 on:** November 20, 2011, 08:48:55 AM »

I guess I need Davis triggers. They do have a very historic look too. Thanks for the link bubba.