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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2011, 11:19:39 AM »
Can you provide any proof to refute the mountains of evidence that Obama is a believer in the principles of the "S" word?
 
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« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2011, 11:24:36 AM »
Can you provide any proof to refute the mountains of evidence that Obama is a believer in the principles of the "S" word?
 
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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2011, 11:26:02 AM »
XD40 asks Heather;
  " does you Choice also give women the right to free choice" ?
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  So I ask XD40;
  Does your choice allow that little girl or boy appointed for death any choice in the matter ?
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  Yes Jimster;
  There certainly seems to be a proclivity by some to ascribe the old shibboleth "racism" to anyone who disagrees with Obama !  Not the situation at all, in most cases.
   I do not agree with almost ANYTHING Obama has sponsored in government..but before they start trying to pin a "racist" label on me or anyone here who doesn't agree with Obama..First ask me/them just how much they agree with genuine Americans such as Justice Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell, Rep/Col Allen West, Walter Williams or any other Americans of African heritage, who just happen to be conservative.  Until they have asked that question, fully in context...they are just "running their clackers"...
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« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2011, 11:38:44 AM »
XD40 asks Heather;
  " does you Choice also give women the right to free choice" ?
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  So I ask XD40;
  Does your choice allow that little girl or boy appointed for death any choice in the matter ?
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  Yes Jimster;
  There certainly seems to be a proclivity by some to ascribe the old shibboleth "racism" to anyone who disagrees with Obama !  Not the situation at all, in most cases.
   I do not agree with almost ANYTHING Obama has sponsored in government..but before they start trying to pin a "racist" label on me or anyone here who doesn't agree with Obama..First ask me/them just how much they agree with genuine Americans such as Justice Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell, Rep/Col Allen West, Walter Williams or any other Americans of African heritage, who just happen to be conservative.  Until they have asked that question, fully in context...they are just "running their clackers"...
No not at all. The point I was trying to make is - Heather stated "How will we ever know the true nature of our people UNLESS we give people the chance to CHOOSE to help others. "
My question was - should we give the pregnant mother her choice to know her true nature?
As some of you read my statements, you get the mistaken idea that I am either this or that. Some people love to label. Actually what I am doing is trying to ask thought provocking questions. 

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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2011, 11:53:04 AM »
First off, no uninsured person would be turned down at an emergency room.  Now, if he didn't have insurance, he would have to work out payments.  I have a son who didn't buy medical insurance when it was offered at his work.  He got snake bit by a cottonmouth.  His bill was about $10,000 with a 4 day hospital stay.  Now he is having to pay about $50 a month forever to get it paid for.  Should he have been FORCED by Obamacare to buy insurance?  I say NO.  Should he have bought insurance, sure.  85% of the uninsured were between 18-35 and had it offered at their work but they don't take it.  15% of remainder are unemployed, ignorant poor, have mental problems.  Elderly get Medicare, poor can get medicaid for their kids, disabled can get medicare or medicaid.  This was the issue all along....young people didn't buy it because they thought they didn't need it, they were healthy and didn't thing anything would happen to them.  This is lazy and entitlement minded.     

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« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2011, 12:08:19 PM »
XD40 asks Heather;
  " Should we give the pregnant mother her choice to know her true nature"?
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  XD40;
  I will rehetorically ask, ... Should we turn inmates like Charlie Manson loose..until they can discover their true nature ?  ;)
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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2011, 12:14:10 PM »
Ron Paul is right. It's not up to the govt. to provide health care for everyone. I can't understand why anyone can't see how this govt. is falling apart because of so much spending. No matter how much they bring in, their tripling what they spend. I had a friend over the other day, and he mentioned how the Tea Party was hurting this country. I tried to explain how there is so much money, and the politicians just keep spending more and more.The Tea Party was just trying to get it back in line as to what the founders intended. I wasted my breath.  I honestly think that it's to late for the Tea Party to do any good. This country is running into a brick wall, and it's to late to put on the brakes. Only thing smart people will do, is fasten their seat belts, and hope that they can ride out the crash.gypsyman
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« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2011, 12:49:06 PM »
XD40 asks Heather;
  " Should we give the pregnant mother her choice to know her true nature"?
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  XD40;
  I will rehetorically ask, ... Should we turn inmates like Charlie Manson loose..until they can discover their true nature ?  ;)
In my opinion- no and no.
But should Dixie Dudes sonbeen left to die because he didn't have insurance?? that my dear Watson is the question.

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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2011, 04:32:06 PM »

In my opinion- no and no.
But should Dixie Dudes sonbeen left to die because he didn't have insurance?? that my dear Watson is the question.

That's kind of like asking should sun have come up yesterday.
But to play along the answer is no. And he was not left to die and that would never happen. If you show up at the hospital in need of emergencey medical attention you will be treated regardless of whether you have insurance or not. What's not needed here is a government program to control this type of thing. If you think differently you 1 have a very low opinion of people in general , 2 you have no concept as what the role of our government is suppose to be, and 3 you totally have no use for our Constitution.

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« Reply #69 on: September 14, 2011, 05:55:21 PM »
The Tea Party is a result of the horrible economic policies, financial disasters and constitutional infringement many years  ago and now made significantly worse by the deplorable socialist policies of Obama and the liberals. If everything was going great, the Tea Party would not exists. There would be no need for them to exists. They are a resistance force, aimed at pushing government to follow our founding principles.
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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #70 on: September 14, 2011, 07:05:03 PM »
I've said it before, but I am sure I will have to say it again. This seems like a really simple concept to me, but maybe I am just a simple minded woman. People should help others because it is the right thing to do and not because it is Federally Mandated!  For the religious minds consider this when considering the quoted passages from the Book of Matthew...  If the Government Federally Mandates healthcare, then how will people use their free will and personal choice to choose to help others.  Matthew  25:31-46 convinces me more than ever that the Government has NO BUSINESS in matters such as these. How will we ever know the true nature of our people UNLESS we give people the chance to CHOOSE to help others.
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 does you Choice also give women the right to free choice? Now don't get me wrong- I'm against abortion. Just asking a question.
Yes, women have the right to choose weather or not to create a life. After that life is created then they have the choice to keep their child or give it to someone else. See I am all about personal choice AND personal responsibility!!! The Constitution grants us the right to LIFE, not to FREE health care for all!
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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #71 on: September 14, 2011, 08:43:53 PM »
This so called free healthcare is not free nor is it compassionate. It fed the unions and elite, the labors of hard working men and women. Any dumb ass that would back such has not read or tried to read it.  (do you really, honestly believe they care about you.... really)
It will drive many that were on the bubble and just making it, to become wards of state. How in the world can we keep up with the insanity of this clown and his admin through spending. It cannot be done. 
The clown could care less about you or me. He is nothing but a puppet for the elite and a dam good one. 
As far as the man without insurance. How did he get in the shape that he could not afford it? Taxed to death? To lazy to work? Responsibility is key to most situations.
As for the racist comments. Who has spewed more racism The clown or the white man?
Who has done the most for others? The clown for the white man or the white man for the clown?
Black racist are well represented in their quarters also and the clown and his background is one of the worst.
Go hang the racist crap on the clown's ass where it belongs.
Oh yea! go join the TEA PARTY

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« Reply #72 on: September 15, 2011, 12:15:36 AM »
I've said it before, but I am sure I will have to say it again. This seems like a really simple concept to me, but maybe I am just a simple minded woman. People should help others because it is the right thing to do and not because it is Federally Mandated!  For the religious minds consider this when considering the quoted passages from the Book of Matthew...  If the Government Federally Mandates healthcare, then how will people use their free will and personal choice to choose to help others.  Matthew  25:31-46 convinces me more than ever that the Government has NO BUSINESS in matters such as these. How will we ever know the true nature of our people UNLESS we give people the chance to CHOOSE to help others.
Heather
does you Choice also give women the right to free choice? Now don't get me wrong- I'm against abortion. Just asking a question.
Yes, women have the right to choose weather or not to create a life. After that life is created then they have the choice to keep their child or give it to someone else. See I am all about personal choice AND personal responsibility!!! The Constitution grants us the right to LIFE, not to FREE health care for all!
Heather
Heather- does a women have the right to chose an abortion is she wishes ?

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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2011, 03:07:57 AM »
 
  Be sure to read all the way to the end (if you want "thought-provoking"):

Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist. Interesting view on our president. Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.

Dr. Vaknin States "I must confess I was impressed by Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident -- a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words.. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people.

The fact that Obama is a total incognito with Zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects."

Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest friends suggest that the man is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of People's Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao, Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom.

When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don't know it until it is too late. One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse "Obama's early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations,"says Vaknin. "Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant two years old. Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia , a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white) grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. "She died of cancer in 1995."

One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service.. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents. Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and does not deserve their attention.

If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The "present" vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him.

Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations. The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.

Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still a nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself?

Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month. A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power.. A narcissist cares for no one but himself.

This election was like no other in the history of America . The issues were insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world?

I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others. They are simply self serving and selfish. Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined.

This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw.
Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent.. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous. Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks voted for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple.

The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites. The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites. The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960's.

Obama will set the clock back decades. America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America , and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations. It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists, and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House.

America is on the verge of destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.
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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2011, 03:20:28 AM »
 
  Be sure to read all the way to the end (if you want "thought-provoking"):
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« Reply #75 on: September 15, 2011, 03:31:34 AM »
good article and right on about the idiot in chief.
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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #76 on: September 15, 2011, 03:57:49 AM »
My wife was once a journalist.  She was trained to read body language.  She told me when he was running for president that he was a narcissist.  She said he always looks down his nose at people, his head high.  Made promises but no substance.  Used "I" in all of his speaches.  She saw it early on.  From a realistic perspective, Democrats would have been better off with Hillary Clinton.  At least Bill Clinton knew how to compromise and get things done with a Republican congress in the 1990's.  Obama had no real experience.  Only 2 years as senator, no executive experience.  A troubled childhood.  Under Rev. Wright's racist church for 20 years.  Associated with William Ayers, a known communist.  Had Muslim father and stepfather, and is Muslim sympathetic.  I just hope and pray America wakes up.  I also hope and pray that Obama doesn't come up with some crisis and declare martial law and suspend elections in 2012. 

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« Reply #77 on: September 15, 2011, 04:10:40 AM »
My wife was once a journalist.  She was trained to read body language.  She told me when he was running for president that he was a narcissist.  She said he always looks down his nose at people, his head high.  Made promises but no substance.  Used "I" in all of his speaches.  She saw it early on.  From a realistic perspective, Democrats would have been better off with Hillary Clinton.  At least Bill Clinton knew how to compromise and get things done with a Republican congress in the 1990's.  Obama had no real experience.  Only 2 years as senator, no executive experience.  A troubled childhood.  Under Rev. Wright's racist church for 20 years.  Associated with William Ayers, a known communist.  Had Muslim father and stepfather, and is Muslim sympathetic.  I just hope and pray America wakes up.  I also hope and pray that Obama doesn't come up with some crisis and declare martial law and suspend elections in 2012.
Well, the ball in certainly in the Republican court. Let's hope they pick a winner to run .

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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #78 on: September 15, 2011, 05:26:15 AM »
I for one would be a lot more comfortable with a candidate who actually might be picked by the Republican Party, but with our primary system as it is, we'll just have to hope the voters do a better job of picking a candidate than they did last time.  Too many squishy moderates voting in the primaries.
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« Reply #79 on: September 15, 2011, 05:30:34 AM »
  RB Rooson;
  There is alot of truth in that article.  One need not be a PhD to understand a hopeless narcissist whe he sees one.  Just consider; how many people write an autobiography of themselves long before they have accomplished anything...while they are still practically a snot-nosed kid ? Narcissism is not easily hidden, except from those blind devotees who have fallen for his/her self-promoted cult of personality.  Anyone observing with an mind uncluttered with cultist obesience, can easily spot the "elitist/superior" attitude which is a hallmark of the pure narcissist.
 
    That being said, I would like to inquire if anyone has noticed a similar, although not so slavish, type of "cult following" going on with any of the current Republican contenders...   Just asking, not telling.
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« Reply #80 on: September 15, 2011, 06:05:38 AM »
Ron Paul doesn't look to be a narccisist, but some of his followers are, and that turns me off.  I want someone who can lay out a plan and can get enough support to get things done. 

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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #81 on: September 15, 2011, 06:28:24 AM »
Obama was elected at the right time and place FOR HIM!  We, collectively as a nation, saw someone who was well-spoken (in speech patterns and annunciation), well-groomed and dressed extremely well.  He talked of "Change".  I have to say that initially I was very interested in him.  I liked the idea of 'Change' in the government.  Also, we as a nation, seemed to have this feeling that it was time for black man to be President and to show the world just how fair we could be.
 
But now interested, I listened further and found absolutely no substantial content in his speeches.  He said nothing and was general or vague in almost every issue.  I pointed this out to friends, some listened, some didn't.
 
I started hearing descrepancies....."you sat in Rev. Wright's church for over 20 years and never heard his rants about America and white people?"  What were you doing.....staring at the ceiling or daydreaming?  For 20 years?  Never did anyone of your friends at the church ever mentioned this to you? 
 
The press never brought up the names of Wm. Ayers or Sal Alinsky.  Why did it take almost 3 years to squash the controversy over your birth certificate?  Why not just end it immediately and leave "the haters" with egg on their faces?
 
We got hoodwinked as a nation and shame on us.....
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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #82 on: September 15, 2011, 06:51:09 AM »
I've said it before, but I am sure I will have to say it again. This seems like a really simple concept to me, but maybe I am just a simple minded woman. People should help others because it is the right thing to do and not because it is Federally Mandated!  For the religious minds consider this when considering the quoted passages from the Book of Matthew...  If the Government Federally Mandates healthcare, then how will people use their free will and personal choice to choose to help others.  Matthew  25:31-46 convinces me more than ever that the Government has NO BUSINESS in matters such as these. How will we ever know the true nature of our people UNLESS we give people the chance to CHOOSE to help others.
Heather
 does you Choice also give women the right to free choice? Now don't get me wrong- I'm against abortion. Just asking a question.
Yes, women have the right to choose weather or not to create a life. After that life is created then they have the choice to keep their child or give it to someone else. See I am all about personal choice AND personal responsibility!!! The Constitution grants us the right to LIFE, not to FREE health care for all!
Heather
Heather- does a women have the right to chose an abortion is she wishes ?
Well I thought I made that clear. The Constitution is VERY CLEAR on this right to life issue. NO, abortion is illegal and Unconstitutional. 


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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #83 on: September 15, 2011, 10:49:28 AM »
I've said it before, but I am sure I will have to say it again. This seems like a really simple concept to me, but maybe I am just a simple minded woman. People should help others because it is the right thing to do and not because it is Federally Mandated!  For the religious minds consider this when considering the quoted passages from the Book of Matthew...  If the Government Federally Mandates healthcare, then how will people use their free will and personal choice to choose to help others.  Matthew  25:31-46 convinces me more than ever that the Government has NO BUSINESS in matters such as these. How will we ever know the true nature of our people UNLESS we give people the chance to CHOOSE to help others.
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does you Choice also give women the right to free choice? Now don't get me wrong- I'm against abortion. Just asking a question.
Yes, women have the right to choose weather or not to create a life. After that life is created then they have the choice to keep their child or give it to someone else. See I am all about personal choice AND personal responsibility!!! The Constitution grants us the right to LIFE, not to FREE health care for all!
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Heather- does a women have the right to chose an abortion is she wishes ?
Well I thought I made that clear. The Constitution is VERY CLEAR on this right to life issue. NO, abortion is illegal and Unconstitutional.


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If done correctly, one won't get arrested for a crime . Better answer- is it illegal=no. Is it immoral- depends on who you talk with.

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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #84 on: September 15, 2011, 11:19:37 AM »
it is unconstitutional to kill an innocent person.  morals should not have to enter into it.
abortion is a game played by liberals who have no souls.
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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #85 on: September 15, 2011, 07:13:21 PM »
California is Americas great socialist experiment. They like all Red states is broke. California is passing a law that will limit Medicare patents to 7 Doctor visits per year. This means California will deny health care to the very poor of that state. This is how cruel the socialist really are. The elite will get care. The poor with prolonged illness will get a death sentence. This is Obama care in action.

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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #86 on: September 16, 2011, 02:43:00 AM »
California is Americas great socialist experiment. They like all Red states is broke. California is passing a law that will limit Medicare patents to 7 Doctor visits per year. This means California will deny health care to the very poor of that state. This is how cruel the socialist really are. The elite will get care. The poor with prolonged illness will get a death sentence. This is Obama care in action.
No, this is right wing spin in action.
 

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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #87 on: September 16, 2011, 03:53:43 AM »
California is Americas great socialist experiment. They like all Red states is broke. California is passing a law that will limit Medicare patents to 7 Doctor visits per year. This means California will deny health care to the very poor of that state. This is how cruel the socialist really are. The elite will get care. The poor with prolonged illness will get a death sentence. This is Obama care in action.
It not Obama care in action. It's the opinion of even some here that if you are too poor to afford insurance, you are SOL. That means no health care. It seems to me that if it's a Democratic opinion it's horrible. However, if the exact same opinion comes from a Right Winger , than it's a wonderful idea.

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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #88 on: September 16, 2011, 04:36:24 AM »
Health care was not written into the constitution.  It is a luxury.  Insurance is what people use to afford it.  Any and all health care costs should be tax free.  Like I said earlier, 85% of those uninsured HAD health care insurance offered at their place of employment.  There are ways to make it more afforadable to all, like in the 1950's 80% of Americans had health insurance.  Hmmm.
 
1) Allow insurance coverage across state lines.  Just like car insurance.  This would allow the lowering of costs for all due to the size of the major insurance companies like BC/BS and United Health Care, etc. 
2) I don't like forcing people to buy health care, but maybe requiring all people to buy it, especially young people, would get this 85% covered.  Medicare and Medicaid would cover the poor and elderly. 
3) Limiting malpractice lawsuits would help bring down health care costs.  My doctor said his malpractice insurance is $2,300 a month. 
4) Allow RN's to perscribe meds for flu, pnumonia, pain from accidents, etc.  Allowing RN's to read X-rays and set bones.  This would lower costs by not having to have a doctor for every little ailment.
 
Another problem, when you add all these people to the health care rolls who don't have insurance now WITHOUT adding doctors, health care will have to be rationed to the lowest common denominator.
 
Liberals always say the Republicans have no plan, but if you implement 1, 3, and 4 above it would bring costs down and for both doctors and insurance companies.  This would go a long way to providing lower cost care to more people by gradually bringing down costs and maybe bringing more doctors on line. 

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Re: Is this what the tea party is about ?
« Reply #89 on: September 16, 2011, 05:50:49 AM »
 
4) Allow RN's to perscribe meds for flu, pnumonia, pain from accidents, etc.  Allowing RN's to read X-rays and set bones.  This would lower costs by not having to have a doctor for every little ailment.
 

They already have nurse practioners and physician assistant health care providers that can do these things but now we need more schools to implement the training programs for them. I am in nursing school now and was considering a switch to physician assistant training until I found out that there is only one program in my area and the waiting list is damn near infinite.
 
Another gripe I have is about the schools themselves-they dont give a crap if they graduate healthcare providers or not all they care about is strangling the student for as much money as they can.
 I have nearly 17 years experience as a paramedic. I can do most of what an RN can do and also a few things that they are not allowed to do. The school I am going to refuses apply any of my training towards a  nursing degree. The excuse I am given is always "well its different" No its not. I asked to test out of a required medical terminology course amd the answer was "no nursing medical terminology is different from paramedic medical terminology" Thats a load of crap if we were speaking 2 different languages then we wouldnt be able to communicate info about a patients condition. To make matters worse while in the class if the instructor wasnt sure about something she would stop and ask me if she was right. So much for the "its different" theory.
 
In my opinion any frank discussion about healthcare reform should include a discussion about reforming healthcare training programs. If you want to prevent a shortage of skilled healthcare providers then cut the crap like philosophy and all of the other garbage they stick into a degree requirement and focus on actual TRAINING FOR THE JOB.
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